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Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1389	Posted - 2013.10.17 12:28:00 - [1] - Quote With vehicles we just have the basic hulls but now with prototype modules and we keep the prototype turrets The turrets themselves have also gone back to basics and do no have any variations, so fragmented/cycled missile launchers are gone and same with blaster/railgun variations So we have a basic hull with possible proto turrets/mods provided we can fit them So AV needs to go through the same gutting and lose all varients (breach/assault) and also lose the adv/proto AV weapons so it is basic AV vs basic hull Now before you complain about basic hulls having access to proto modules, you still have access to proto damage modules Also with proto turrets, AV players can still use proto suits So overall the fight could look like this Basic hull + adv/proto modules + adv/proto turrets vs adv/proto dropsuit + adv/proto damage mods + basic AV weapon Then give it a good month or 2 of testing to get feedback and stats from PC then add in adv hulls and AV weapons and repeat and then add in proto hulls and AV weapons
DS 10 Ancient Exiles 1102	Posted - 2013.10.17 12:30:00 - [2] - Quote No.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1389	Posted - 2013.10.17 12:45:00 - [3] - Quote DS 10 wrote: No. I take it you are a fan of this method Proto AV + proto suit + proto dmg mods vs basic hull with basic mods and proto turrets Heavens forbid you actually have a challenge and maybe have to use teamwork
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 228	Posted - 2013.10.17 13:06:00 - [4] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: DS 10 wrote: No. I take it you are a fan of this method Proto AV + proto suit + proto dmg mods vs basic hull with basic mods and proto turrets Heavens forbid you actually have a challenge and maybe have to use teamwork I use basic tanks all the time when I'm low on funds. But I also happen to be Proto AV. And no. If we use standard swarms (which does the exact same damage as Millitia swarms) we would get dominated by basic hulls. I think that the problem with most tankers is that they just don't know when they should get outta there and then wonder why Proto AV hurts. Basically your saying, we should say FU to ppl who invested 2 million SP into being Proto AV and make them use Millitia swarms against tanks with 6-8k armor. No. Don't cry because you suck at tanking.
DS 10 Ancient Exiles 1103	Posted - 2013.10.17 13:08:00 - [5] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: DS 10 wrote: No. I take it you are a fan of this method Proto AV + proto suit + proto dmg mods vs basic hull with basic mods and proto turrets Heavens forbid you actually have a challenge and maybe have to use teamwork Close. IAFG + Complex Damage Mods + Advanced Frame. You can blame LLAVs for all the high meta AV gear in the game right now.
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 125	Posted - 2013.10.17 13:10:00 - [6] - Quote Tankers would love complex module fitting costs, e.g.: INFANTRY Basic Armour Repairer CPU 20 PG 1 Complex Armour Repairer CPU 45 PG 11 (2.25CPU, 11PG compared to basic) VEHICLES Heavy Armour Repair Unit CPU 26 PG 1,120 Complex Heavy Armour Repair Unit CPU 58.5 PG 12,320 (2.25CPU, 11PG compared to basic)
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1389	Posted - 2013.10.17 13:13:00 - [7] - Quote Atiim wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: DS 10 wrote: No. I take it you are a fan of this method Proto AV + proto suit + proto dmg mods vs basic hull with basic mods and proto turrets Heavens forbid you actually have a challenge and maybe have to use teamwork I use basic tanks all the time when I'm low on funds. But I also happen to be Proto AV. And no. If we use standard swarms (which does the exact same damage as Millitia swarms) we would get dominated by basic hulls. I think that the problem with most tankers is that they just don't know when they should get outta there and then wonder why Proto AV hurts. Basically your saying, we should say FU to ppl who invested 2 million SP into being Proto AV and make them use Millitia swarms against tanks with 6-8k armor. No. Don't cry because you suck at tanking. PC tanker here, all i play against is proto AV, i bet you are an ambush tanker I actually want to see basic AV vs a basic hull for once since we wont see proto hulls for quite some time anyways So what if it takes 2ppl with basic AV to kill that basic tank, are ppl that afraid of teamwork? i have to use teamwork so i just dont get alpha'd by proto AV Also you are wrong, after the vehicle changes tanks will start with around 5k HP, maybe another 1k added if they use extenders/plates but with only 3 slots for your tank pilots may skip the extra hp for something else, 8k lol no resistances yea no 2million SP for proto AV so hard, how about 10+mil to get a basic tank and basic mods we have now just to survive against proto AV
Void Echo Algintal Core Gallente Federation 1832	Posted - 2013.10.17 13:14:00 - [8] - Quote Atiim wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: DS 10 wrote: No. I take it you are a fan of this method Proto AV + proto suit + proto dmg mods vs basic hull with basic mods and proto turrets Heavens forbid you actually have a challenge and maybe have to use teamwork I use basic tanks all the time when I'm low on funds. But I also happen to be Proto AV. And no. If we use standard swarms (which does the exact same damage as Millitia swarms) we would get dominated by basic hulls. I think that the problem with most tankers is that they just don't know when they should get outta there and then wonder why Proto AV hurts. Basically your saying, we should say FU to ppl who invested 2 million SP into being Proto AV and make them use Millitia swarms against tanks with 6-8k armor. No. Don't cry because you suck at tanking. and you guys say fu to people who invested over 10 mil sp into being tankers and complain about everything you cant take down with minimal intelligence.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 228	Posted - 2013.10.17 13:16:00 - [9] - Quote DS 10 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: DS 10 wrote: No. I take it you are a fan of this method Proto AV + proto suit + proto dmg mods vs basic hull with basic mods and proto turrets Heavens forbid you actually have a challenge and maybe have to use teamwork Close. IAFG + Complex Damage Mods + Advanced Frame. You can blame LLAVs for all the high meta AV gear in the game right now. Nah you need to do it this way IA Swarm Launcher Proficency lvl 3 2 Complex Damage mods Basic Precicon Enhancers (So you can lock on to railgun tanks) Lai Dai Packed AV Grenades K-4 Nanohives KLO-5 Scrambler Pistol or M512-A SMG Fit your low power slots however you want, but you may need a CPU/PG boost. Make sure that you have a backup weapon incase the guy jumps out the tank.
The Attorney General ZionTCD 1241	Posted - 2013.10.17 13:18:00 - [10] - Quote Atiim wrote: Nah you need to do it this way IA Swarm Launcher Proficency lvl 3 2 Complex Damage mods Basic Precicon Enhancers (So you can lock on to railgun tanks) Lai Dai Packed AV Grenades K-4 Nanohives KLO-5 Scrambler Pistol or M512-A SMG Fit your low power slots however you want, but you may need a CPU/PG boost. Make sure that you have a backup weapon incase the guy jumps out the tank. Of course you are a swarm scrub.

Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1389	Posted - 2013.10.17 13:20:00 - [11] - Quote DS 10 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: DS 10 wrote: No. I take it you are a fan of this method Proto AV + proto suit + proto dmg mods vs basic hull with basic mods and proto turrets Heavens forbid you actually have a challenge and maybe have to use teamwork Close. IAFG + Complex Damage Mods + Advanced Frame. You can blame LLAVs for all the high meta AV gear in the game right now. No i can blame CCP from taking skills from pilots which added more shield/armor hp and giving it as a general buff to all vehicles standard HP so standard scrub got more base hp where as back in the day a pilot would have these skills and a non pilot wouldnt thus you can tell the difference It started from that, then the LLAV having a good base resistance but required at least some SP into it and ISK to run it, hell i went level 5 in it and had resitance of 60% but also i used the best mods Its still more tanker than my tank is now and the logi DS didnt even get a hp buff at all and didnt have the base resistance that the LLAV had But all logi vehicles are getting removed so we have lost 12 vehicles when the vehicle rebalance comes into place Anyway back to the point Basic AV with proto suit and mods vs basic hull vs proto mods and turrets - seems fair
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 228	Posted - 2013.10.17 13:20:00 - [12] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: DS 10 wrote: No. I take it you are a fan of this method Proto AV + proto suit + proto dmg mods vs basic hull with basic mods and proto turrets Heavens forbid you actually have a challenge and maybe have to use teamwork I use basic tanks all the time when I'm low on funds. But I also happen to be Proto AV. And no. If we use standard swarms (which does the exact same damage as Millitia swarms) we would get dominated by basic hulls. I think that the problem with most tankers is that they just don't know when they should get outta there and then wonder why Proto AV hurts. Basically your saying, we should say FU to ppl who invested 2 million SP into being Proto AV and make them use Millitia swarms against tanks with 6-8k armor. No. Don't cry because you suck at tanking. and you guys say fu to people who invested over 10 mil sp into being tankers and complain about everything you cant take down with minimal intelligence. Minimal Intellegence? Do you know how hard iris to take down a squad of tanks? Do you know how frustrating it is to shoot your swarms and have it go straight for a wall? Basically your saying that you want to be able to kill loads of people without any challenge or AV resistance whatsoever? Dude I say FU to ppl who come right in the open and expect to live long enough to get away.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1389	Posted - 2013.10.17 13:23:00 - [13] - Quote Atiim wrote: Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: DS 10 wrote: No. I take it you are a fan of this method Proto AV + proto suit + proto dmg mods vs basic hull with basic mods and proto turrets Heavens forbid you actually have a challenge and maybe have to use teamwork I use basic tanks all the time when I'm low on funds. But I also happen to be Proto AV. And no. If we use standard swarms (which does the exact same damage as Millitia swarms) we would get dominated by basic hulls. I think that the problem with most tankers is that they just don't know when they should get outta there and then wonder why Proto AV hurts. Basically your saying, we should say FU to ppl who invested 2 million SP into being Proto AV and make them use Millitia swarms against tanks with 6-8k armor. No. Don't cry because you suck at tanking. and you guys say fu to people who invested over 10 mil sp into being tankers and complain about everything you cant take down with minimal intelligence. Minimal Intellegence? Do you know how hard iris to take down a squad of tanks? Do you know how frustrating it is to shoot your swarms and have it go straight for a wall? Basically your saying that you want to be able to kill loads of people without any challenge or AV resistance whatsoever? Dude I say FU to ppl who come right in the open and expect to live long enough to get away. Hard with proto swarms lolno, you must be really bad if you find it hard to kill a basic tank Its easy as **** and you using lai dai nades which deal 2k dmg to armor tanks and never miss You must be a bad player if you cant kill tanks, they have never been easier to kill
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 228	Posted - 2013.10.17 13:27:00 - [14] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: DS 10 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: DS 10 wrote: No. I take it you are a fan of this method Proto AV + proto suit + proto dmg mods vs basic hull with basic mods and proto turrets Heavens forbid you actually have a challenge and maybe have to use teamwork Close. IAFG + Complex Damage Mods + Advanced Frame. You can blame LLAVs for all the high meta AV gear in the game right now. No i can blame CCP from taking skills from pilots which added more shield/armor hp and giving it as a general buff to all vehicles standard HP so standard scrub got more base hp where as back in the day a pilot would have these skills and a non pilot wouldnt thus you can tell the difference It started from that, then the LLAV having a good base resistance but required at least some SP into it and ISK to run it, hell i went level 5 in it and had resitance of 60% but also i used the best mods Its still more tanker than my tank is now and the logi DS didnt even get a hp buff at all and didnt have the base resistance that the LLAV had But all logi vehicles are getting removed so we have lost 12 vehicles when the vehicle rebalance comes into place Anyway back to the point Basic AV with proto suit and mods vs basic hull vs proto mods and turrets - seems fair Yeah are you incapable of wrapping this around your thick headed skull? IT IS NOT FAIR BASIC AV DOES THE SAME DAMAGE AS MIILITIA AV Do you hear yourself? Proto suit vs Proto turret jump in front of an 80GJ Particle Ion Cannon and see who wins. Thg tank or dropsuit? Basically you want us to use Millitia AV against a basic tank with proto turrets. A basic tank can easily get 6k Armor and nothing would take that down with Millitia AV A dropsuit vs a tank? 800 armor vs 6000 armor. Yeah not fair
IceShifter Childhaspawn DUST University Ivy League 332	Posted - 2013.10.17 13:27:00 - [15] - Quote I am not a tanker, but I kill them often. I see that we have two types of tankers on the field 1st rate: Maintain situational awareness Throttle their modules, knowing when best to use them and when to let them cool down. Hit and run, or pick their battles Use squads and/ or tank buddies to dominate the WP and the battle. 2nd rate: Charge into battle Pop every rep and resistance module when they first take fire. -Any fire. Charge into the middle of a firefight.... and linger. Solo -Often When I see a ______ tanker, I think ______ ---1st rate --- I will probably die often just being around them. I wont engage without squad support or a carefully laid trap. Why waste isk? ---2nd rate--- When the forge gunners don't get them first. I will kill them easily -aV grenades, Swarms, Proximity mines on the road (Good Tankers rarely drive on a paved road.), or fluxes and a mass driver. TL;DR Its not the aV. Its your tactics.
Void Echo Algintal Core Gallente Federation 1833	Posted - 2013.10.17 13:29:00 - [16] - Quote Atiim wrote: Minimal Intellegence? Do you know how hard iris to take down a squad of tanks? one guy with a forge a nanohive and a tower or lav. or 2 swarmers. also 1 lolnader, use any o these 3 things and youl lock down the whole map forever from tanks. iv been on both ends of the argument, its harder to kill av than it is to kill us. it only takes 1 av guy to lock down an entire map for the whole match from a full squad of tankers, but it takes a full squad to lock down the map from any kind of av. Do you know how frustrating it is to shoot your swarms and have it go straight for a wall? that's good for us, do you know how frustrating it is to invest around 10 mil sp or more into a specific class that costs around 1 mil ISK just to deploy an average fitting just to have it blown up in under 6 seconds by some prick who barely put 2 mil sp into his suit that only takes less than a fraction of the ISK we need? Basically your saying that you want to be able to kill loads of people without any challenge or AV resistance whatsoever? no iv never said anything like that, if you look at my forum history, youl see that I want to be a viable class in this game that has survivability when going solo but much more power when I have competent squad friends around. the thing is, you guys are ***** **** because you think requiring teamwork to kill a tank makes him godly mainly because you yourselves cant use teamwork worth and you know it, otherwise you wouldn't be bitching about not being able to solo us with standard and militia av. Dude I say FU to ppl who come right in the open and expect to live long enough to get away. dude, I say fu to people who don't have any regard for others and just want everything handed to them.**
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 229	Posted - 2013.10.17 13:30:00 - [17] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Atiim wrote: Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: I take it you are a fan of this method Proto AV + proto suit + proto dmg mods vs basic hull with basic mods and proto turrets Heavens forbid you actually have a challenge and maybe have to use teamwork I use basic tanks all the time when I'm low on funds. But I also happen to be Proto AV. And no. If we use standard swarms (which does the exact same damage as Millitia swarms) we would get dominated by basic hulls. I think that the problem with most tankers is that they just don't know when they should get outta there and then wonder why Proto AV hurts. Basically your saying, we should say FU to ppl who invested 2 million SP into being Proto AV and make them use Millitia swarms against tanks with 6-8k armor. No. Don't cry because you suck at tanking. and you guys say fu to people who invested over 10 mil sp into being tankers and complain about everything you cant take down with minimal intelligence. Minimal Intellegence? Do you know how hard iris to take down a squad of tanks? Do you know how frustrating it is to shoot your swarms and have it go straight for a wall? Basically your saying that you want to be able to kill loads of people without any challenge or AV resistance whatsoever? Dude I say FU to ppl who come right in the open and expect to live long enough to get away. Hard with proto swarms lolno, you must be really bad if you find it hard to kill a basic tank Its easy as **** and you using lai dai nades which deal 2k dmg to armor tanks and never miss You must be a bad player if you cant kill tanks, they have never been easier to kill [/quote] Dude if a tank is not in the open or keeps moving through cover than it is not easy, and if your dumb enough to get close enough for Lai Dais than you deserve it.
The Attorney General ZionTCD 1242	Posted - 2013.10.17 13:32:00 - [18] - Quote Atiim wrote: IT IS NOT FAIR LOL, uses fire and forget scrub weapon, can't do his job with it, and wants to cry. HTFU scrub.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1389	Posted - 2013.10.17 13:32:00 - [19] - Quote Atiim wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: DS 10 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: DS 10 wrote: No. I take it you are a fan of this method Proto AV + proto suit + proto dmg mods vs basic hull with basic mods and proto turrets Heavens forbid you actually have a challenge and maybe have to use teamwork Close. IAFG + Complex Damage Mods + Advanced Frame. You can blame LLAVs for all the high meta AV gear in the game right now. No i can blame CCP from taking skills from pilots which added more shield/armor hp and giving it as a general buff to all vehicles standard HP so standard scrub got more base hp where as back in the day a pilot would have these skills and a non pilot wouldnt thus you can tell the difference It started from that, then the LLAV having a good base resistance but required at least some SP into it and ISK to run it, hell i went level 5 in it and had resitance of 60% but also i used the best mods Its still more tanker than my tank is now and the logi DS didnt even get a hp buff at all and didnt have the base resistance that the LLAV had But all logi vehicles are getting removed so we have lost 12 vehicles when the vehicle rebalance comes into place Anyway back to the point Basic AV with proto suit and mods vs basic hull vs proto mods and turrets - seems fair Yeah are you incapable of wrapping this around your thick headed skull? IT IS NOT FAIR BASIC AV DOES THE SAME DAMAGE AS MIILITIA AV Do you hear yourself? Proto suit vs Proto turret jump in front of an 80GJ Particle Ion Cannon and see who wins. Thg tank or dropsuit? Basically you want us to use Millitia AV against a basic tank with proto turrets. A basic tank can easily get 6k Armor and nothing would take that down with Millitia AV A dropsuit vs a tank? 800 armor vs 6000 armor. Yeah not fair Why are you a bad player? Why do you jump out in CQC range of a blaster turret? Basic AV vs a basic tank, i have a proto turret and mods, you have a proto suit and proto dmg mods so you can do more damage with your basic AV weapon and have the PG/CPU to make it more tanker and survive where as i have proto mods to survive and a turret to deal with other tanks provided i can hit them 6k with the vehicle rebalancing? maybe a few will go that way even so you do 135% dmg with swarms and if no resistances are on that means 6k means **** So you want a dropsuit to have as much armor as a tank? How are you so bad? you have proto swarms and nades and still find it difficult to kill a basic tank now Maybe you should give up being AV
Void Echo Algintal Core Gallente Federation 1833	Posted - 2013.10.17 13:34:00 - [20] - Quote Atiim wrote: Dude if a tank is not in the open or keeps moving through cover than it is not easy, and if your dumb enough to get close enough for Lai Dais than you deserve it. counter: if your ignorant enough to complain about not being able to kill our high end tankers by yourself, you don't deserve a voice.

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 229	Posted - 2013.10.17 13:38:00 - [21] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Atiim wrote: IT IS NOT FAIR LOL, uses fire and forget scrub weapon, can't do his job with it, and wants to cry. HTFU scrub. Did you even read the OP? He wants us to use Basic/Millitia AV against a 6-7k armored hull with proto turrets? Fire and forget? Yeah unless your swarms crash into a wall or decide to glitch and go backwards (what usually happens) Lol Tankers without situational awareness and good tactics need to HTFU. Tell me one time where you were killed by proto AV and it wasn't your fault? Don't worry tankers, you will get good someday.
ReGnYuM MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 1112	Posted - 2013.10.17 13:41:00 - [22] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: No. Why do you jump out in CQC range of a blaster turret? [/quote] BAHAHAHAHAHA Blasters are CQC BAHAHAHAHAHAHA I have seen a Blaster Turret annihilate from +75m . You tankers are just plain pathetic
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1389	Posted - 2013.10.17 13:42:00 - [23] - Quote Atiim wrote: The Attorney General wrote: Atiim wrote: IT IS NOT FAIR LOL, uses fire and forget scrub weapon, can't do his job with it, and wants to cry. HTFU scrub. Did you even read the OP? He wants us to use Basic/Millitia AV against a 6-7k armored hull with proto turrets? Fire and forget? Yeah unless your swarms crash into a wall or decide to glitch and go backwards (what usually happens) Lol Tankers without situational awareness and good tactics need to HTFU. Tell me one time where you were killed by proto AV and it wasn't your fault? Don't worry tankers, you will get good someday. I love hearing double standards from infantry players You complain basic AV vs a basic tank with proto mods and turrets even tho you can use proto dmg mods and on a proto suit to fit more dmg mods but of course you ignore that to suit your argument But you like using proto AV and proto mods with a proto suit to kill a basic vehicle with basic mods and a proto turret but of course that is fair You are a bad player, you said it yourself you find it hard to kill a tank with lolprotoswarms and lollaidai av nades So i expect a bad player like yourself to struggle with any kind of fairness because if you cant kill a basic tank with basic mods using proto AV you prob dont stand a chance in killing a basic tank with basic AV because you are that bad, im suprised you know what end the missiles come out of
Void Echo Algintal Core Gallente Federation 1833	Posted - 2013.10.17 13:43:00 - [24] - Quote Atiim wrote: The Attorney General wrote: Atiim wrote: IT IS NOT FAIR LOL, uses fire and forget scrub weapon, can't do his job with it, and wants to cry. HTFU scrub. Did you even read the OP? He wants us to use Basic/Millitia AV against a 6-7k armored hull with proto turrets? Fire and forget? Yeah unless your swarms crash into a wall or decide to glitch and go backwards (what usually happens) Lol Tankers without situational awareness and good tactics need to HTFU. Tell me one time where you were killed by proto AV and it wasn't your fault? Don't worry tankers, you will get good someday. countless times when I have some random bluetard in my tank that wont jump out to kill you while im trying to escape. don't worry av scrub, youl get respect one day
Void Echo Algintal Core Gallente Federation 1833	Posted - 2013.10.17 13:44:00 - [25] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: BAHAHAHAHAHA Blasters are CQC BAHAHAHAHAHAHA I have seen a Blaster Turret annihilate from +75m . You tankers are just plain pathetic high regy, still pub stomping guys with militia gear?
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1389	Posted - 2013.10.17 13:45:00 - [26] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: No. Why do you jump out in CQC range of a blaster turret? BAHAHAHAHAHA Blasters are CQC BAHAHAHAHAHAHA I have seen a Blaster Turret annihilate from +75m . You tankers are just plain pathetic[/quote] 100m at best but the damage is weaker the further we shoot at so really at 50m+ out our shots do less damage hence why its best for us to get close as possible but all AV can hit blaster tanks from 100m to 400m and do full damage no diminishing returns But i dont expect infantry to know that
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 229	Posted - 2013.10.17 13:46:00 - [27] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Atiim wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: DS 10 wrote: No. I take it you are a fan of this method Proto AV + proto suit + proto dmg mods vs basic hull with basic mods and proto turrets Heavens forbid you actually have a challenge and maybe have to use teamwork I use basic tanks all the time when I'm low on funds. But I also happen to be Proto AV. And no. If we use standard swarms (which does the exact same damage as Millitia swarms) we would get dominated by basic hulls. I think that the problem with most tankers is that they just don't know when they should get outta there and then wonder why Proto AV hurts. Basically your saying, we should say FU to ppl who invested 2 million SP into being Proto AV and make them use Millitia swarms against tanks with 6-8k armor. No. Don't cry because you suck at tanking. PC tanker here, all i play against is proto AV, i bet you are an ambush tanker I actually want to see basic AV vs a basic hull for once since we wont see proto hulls for quite some time anyways So what if it takes 2ppl with basic AV to kill that basic tank, are ppl that afraid of teamwork? i have to use teamwork so i just dont get alpha'd by proto AV Also you are wrong, after the vehicle changes tanks will start with around 5k HP, maybe another 1k added if they use extenders/plates but with only 3 slots for your tank pilots may skip the extra hp for something else, 8k lol no resistances yea no 2million SP for proto AV so hard, how about 10+mil to get a basic tank and basic mods we have now just to survive against proto AV Hmm that 10 Mil SP can easily be put towards other things, and tanks can do more than one thing, while all AV can do is kill tanks (except FGs, which I don't use). What was your argument again?
The Attorney General ZionTCD 1242	Posted - 2013.10.17 13:47:00 - [28] - Quote Atiim wrote: Did you even read the OP? He wants us to use Basic/Millitia AV against a 6-7k armored hull with proto turrets? Fire and forget? Yeah unless your swarms crash into a wall or decide to glitch and go backwards (what usually happens) Lol Tankers without situational awareness and good tactics need to HTFU. Tell me one time where you were killed by proto AV and it wasn't your fault? Don't worry tankers, you will get good someday. Do you have to manually adjust the swarms onto target? No. So they are fire and forget. Just because you are using them from such a range that the tanker gets time to put cover between you is an indictment of you, not swarms. Getting killed by invisible swarms happens everyday. So don't act like you scrubs don't already have a massive advantage versus tanks. Yet you want to cry about any change. Oh man, I really hope they make the PLC the primary light suit AV weapon. I just want to see scrubs who dumped 2.2 million SP into scrub swarms get their just desserts.
Void Echo Algintal Core Gallente Federation 1833	Posted - 2013.10.17 13:47:00 - [29] - Quote Atiim wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Atiim wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: DS 10 wrote: No. I take it you are a fan of this method Proto AV + proto suit + proto dmg mods vs basic hull with basic mods and proto turrets Heavens forbid you actually have a challenge and maybe have to use teamwork I use basic tanks all the time when I'm low on funds. But I also happen to be Proto AV. And no. If we use standard swarms (which does the exact same damage as Millitia swarms) we would get dominated by basic hulls. I think that the problem with most tankers is that they just don't know when they should get outta there and then wonder why Proto AV hurts. Basically your saying, we should say FU to ppl who invested 2 million SP into being Proto AV and make them use Millitia swarms against tanks with 6-8k armor. No. Don't cry because you suck at tanking. PC tanker here, all i play against is proto AV, i bet you are an ambush tanker I actually want to see basic AV vs a basic hull for once since we wont see proto hulls for quite some time anyways So what if it takes 2ppl with basic AV to kill that basic tank, are ppl that afraid of teamwork? i have to use teamwork so i just dont get alpha'd by proto AV Also you are wrong, after the vehicle changes tanks will start with around 5k HP, maybe another 1k added if they use extenders/plates but with only 3 slots for your tank pilots may skip the extra hp for something else, 8k lol no resistances yea no 2million SP for proto AV so hard, how about 10+mil to get a basic tank and basic mods we have now just to survive against proto AV Hmm that 10 Mil SP can easily be put towards other things, and tanks can do more than one thing, while all AV can do is kill tanks (except FGs, which I don't use). What was your argument again? your using nothing but double standards here and avoiding all the main points here... I forget.. who are you?
ReGnYuM MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 1112	Posted - 2013.10.17 13:48:00 - [30] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Why do you jump out in CQC range of a blaster turret? BAHAHAHAHAHA Blasters are CQC BAHAHAHAHAHAHA I have seen a Blaster Turret annihilate from +75m



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