BAHAHAHAHAHA Blasters are CQC BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I have seen a Blaster Turret annihilate from +75m

I love hearing double standards from infantry players

You complain basic AV vs a basic tank with proto mods and turrets even tho you can use proto dmg mods and on a proto suit to fit more dmg mods but of course you ignore that to suit your argument

But you like using proto AV and proto mods with a proto suit to kill a basic vehicle with basic mods and a proto turret but of course that is fair

You are a bad player, you said it yourself you find it hard to kill a tank with lolprotoswarms and lollaidai av nades

So i expect a bad player like yourself to struggle with any kind of fairness because if you cant kill a basic tank with basic mods using proto AV you prob dont stand a chance in killing a basic tank with basic AV because you are that bad, im suprised you know what end the missiles come out of

Hmm that 10 Mil SP can easily be put towards other things, and tanks can do more than one thing, while all AV can do is kill tanks (except FGs, which I don't use).

What was your argument again?

I have seen a Blaster Turret annihilate from +75m

BAHAHAHAHAHA Blasters are CQC BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I have seen a Blaster Turret annihilate from +75m

Question, when your in a Tank vs Tank fight would it Mae you angry if you died because your shots would either dive staight towards a wall or glitch up so bad that they fly backwards or just run around in circle?

Can we get a better definition of annihilation please?

Did an infantry stand out in the open on a roof top trying to forge?

Was the tanker using a stabilized blaster?

Were they in a Vayu? Or a triple damage modded Falchion with a Scattered Ion Cannon?

Was the target infantry in a scout suit?

All of these things could have an effect on why it would seem that someone got cut down at that range. None of which has anything to do with the blaster being or not being CQC.

Although, given the way that CCP defines ranges, the blaster turret is more mid range, the overall effect is quite similar.

Yes, a blaster turret can chop down an infantry at over 100m, but only if they do not move, or do not seek cover for the 5 seconds or so they are getting hit.

Question, when your in a Tank vs Tank fight would it Mae you angry if you died because your shots would either dive staight towards a wall or glitch up so bad that they fly backwards or just run around in circle?

And yeah I use a proto AV against basic tanks? That's common sense. If you were in your proto suit and you saw somebody in a STD suit would you kill him, or go to a supply depot to kill him with your basic suit?

I love hearing stupid posts and requests from tankers

Doesn't happen.

Stop making up excuses for you not being able to use a tracking weapon properly.

If 90% of the playerbase can roll around like rambo popping tanks with swarms, but you can't, that means there is something wrong with you.

I use basic tanks all the time when I'm low on funds. But I also happen to be Proto AV.

And no. If we use standard swarms (which does the exact same damage as Millitia swarms) we would get dominated by basic hulls.

I think that the problem with most tankers is that they just don't know when they should get outta there and then wonder why Proto AV hurts.

Basically your saying, we should say FU to ppl who invested 2 million SP into being Proto AV and make them use Millitia swarms against tanks with 6-8k armor. No.

Don't cry because you suck at tanking.

Have you ever used swarms?

With vehicles we just have the basic hulls but now with prototype modules and we keep the prototype turrets

The turrets themselves have also gone back to basics and do no have any variations, so fragmented/cycled missile launchers are gone and same with blaster/railgun variations

So we have a basic hull with possible proto turrets/mods provided we can fit them


So AV needs to go through the same gutting and lose all varients (breach/assault) and also lose the adv/proto AV weapons so it is basic AV vs basic hull

Now before you complain about basic hulls having access to proto modules, you still have access to proto damage modules

Also with proto turrets, AV players can still use proto suits


So overall the fight could look like this

Basic hull + adv/proto modules + adv/proto turrets vs adv/proto dropsuit + adv/proto damage mods + basic AV weapon


Then give it a good month or 2 of testing to get feedback and stats from PC then add in adv hulls and AV weapons and repeat and then add in proto hulls and AV weapons

I have

No skill required and broken as ****

I've already tested this for you. Here are the results:

Ishukone Assault Forge Gun + Basic Dropsuit = 2079 HP damage

VS

Basic Armor HAV (fully specced)

Result: 5-6 volleys to destroy a Basic Armor HAV with proto assault forge.


Is there something wrong with this picture? A proto weapon vs a "basic" hull of an HAV and yet it cannot be destroyed by one volley (4 rounds) of a proto Ishukone forge. Your balance suggestions leans to the favor of tanks. Not a balance. If it takes two or more protos to take down a basic, then proto HAV's will dominate.

I've already tested this for you. Here are the results:

Ishukone Assault Forge Gun + Basic Dropsuit = 2079 HP damage

VS

Basic Armor HAV (fully specced)

Result: 5-6 volleys to destroy a Basic Armor HAV with proto assault forge.


Is there something wrong with this picture? A proto weapon vs a "basic" hull of an HAV and yet it cannot be destroyed by one volley (4 rounds) of a proto Ishukone forge. Your balance suggestions leans to the favor of tanks. Not a balance. If it takes two or more protos to take down a basic, then proto HAV's will dominate.

I'm not trying to question anyone's reasoning ability here, but wouldn't it make more sense for AV users to still get Proto AV and just have to fit it on a basic suit? If the argument is that tanks only have Proto weapons and modules but not hulls, it would seem to reason that keeping the Proto weapons across the board and limiting the shell that they are equipped to would even the playing field more.

I'm not trying to question anyone's reasoning ability here, but wouldn't it make more sense for AV users to still get Proto AV and just have to fit it on a basic suit? If the argument is that tanks only have Proto weapons and modules but not hulls, it would seem to reason that keeping the Proto weapons across the board and limiting the shell that they are equipped to would even the playing field more.

I'm not trying to question anyone's reasoning ability here, but wouldn't it make more sense for AV users to still get Proto AV and just have to fit it on a basic suit? If the argument is that tanks only have Proto weapons and modules but not hulls, it would seem to reason that keeping the Proto weapons across the board and limiting the shell that they are equipped to would even the playing field more.

Why would you use a basic dropsuit? you have adv/proto suits so that means more proto dmg mods

Also you dont know what the new AV numbers are so is this current AV vs current HAVs or current AV vs new vehicles?

Im on about with the vehicle respec we take it back to basics for both sides, currently a proto AV weapon will decimate the new vehicles, also we dont have passive resisatances so the AV will do a full lot of damage, 135% current swarms do unless we have our hardners on but they only last so long

Also or stats are wrong if its against shield, generally it will 3/4 shot it

No see you are being reasonable and using logic
To really understand where tankers are coming from you need to shove a pineapple up your ass to experience the same amount of butt hurt they are

Inb4 Taka and Void start rambling about how this is a crutch and if you die you must play better when I have personally see these guys play and they both make a bonehead basic mistake, they over extend and go without support
Drive by runs work so much better guys and parking yourself next to a CRU or something and expecting not to get blown up, well really who needs to play better

Oh and as for the "Waaah we spent 10 million SP" did you guys ever stop and look at the skill screen and actually compare costs or did you go "Well this one weapon skill is at 3x so that means thats all you need"
I mean hell if thats what you did your main turret skill has the same SP cost but you wouldnt say only getting the turret is what matters on a tank fitting right, just like how only having the weapon is not part of a full AV fitting

Right now... 3 low level suits runing together with militia swarms is a fun fight against a well fit tank. Killing them is pretty rare unless they make a mistake, but can keep them close to death for plenty long enough to chase them off the map and make them recall.

This is current. And this is an example of a proto assault forge gun (fitted on a basic dropsuit) vs a "basic" armor tank. Two complex damage mods would deal 2238 HP damage to a "basic" HAV. What I'm trying to get at is why does it take a full proto forge such as this to take a full volley of 4 hits to drop a basic? And you want basic vs basic? Lol.

I sometimes run my Ishukone on a basic Dren heavy because it's a free suit and costs me only 59,000 isk to lose per fit. But more often I run the DAU assault forge cause its cheaper. 27,000 per fit. And in the world of AR's, running a fat expensive suit is very costly.

1. Swarm missiles dont fly backwards if target is infront, you are making this up
2. Swarm missiles do not fly in circles unless chasing a dropship which is flying in a circle pattern, you are making this up
3. Swarms only hit a wall if the vehicle is behind something but yet you can still lock onto part of the tank, the missiles always travel towards the middle of the tank and if the middile is behind cover the missiles will hit cover. Not ewhen a vehicle is in the open and missiles are fired and then the vehicle goes behind cover the missiles track to where the target once was then tracks to where it is now, this results in missiles which go around corners and hit even tho they should traget to where the target is and not where it once was

You use proto AV vs a basic tank, we do not have proto vehicles at all so this idea you do not like because you would be on level terms with vehicles thus it would be harder for you to kill it and since you have trouble with basic tanks when using proto AV it means you wouldnt have a chance in hell of killing a basic tank with basic AV because you are bad

You havnt seen me play because you dont play PC

PC is completely different to pubs because its actually harder and also we only have now 20skills out of 52 which are SP sinks and offer nothing of value while we have lost skills/lost mods/lost 12 vehicles/lost turrets/lost slots

Frankly ive heard so far is that they are looking swarms/av nades/FG splash radius and maybe a 33% reduction in damage for swarms but frankly your the type of player that has trouble with basic vehicles while using proto AV

Also you never noticed that i replied to the OP, do you really think the tryhard will allow you to remove adv/proto suits?

Sometimes I f a vehicle circles around you, while you are locking on, and you continue to strafe with the vehicle (typically derpship or LAV) when you fire, depending on where the vehicle is, the swarms will fire, but they will just fly around in circles.

I've only managed to reproduce this with the Wirykomi Specialist Swarms Launcher, and it happens about 20% of the time! but then again you don't use Proto swarms so I guess you wouldn't know that.

As for swarms crashing straight into walls, Yes it does. If a vehicle makes a turn and the Swarms are following it, 9 times outta 10, it's gonna crash into a wall.

But I guess I could also say that invisible swarms don't exist, and that Loltankers and derpship pilots just want CCP to beat us to death with the nerf bat

I run a basic tank and mods with a proto turret, it costs 1.7mil per fit

Also your FG has a 300m range and i cant see you because lolrendering

Also where are you positioned? whats the skill of the pilot? whats the tank fit? are hardners on or off? was the repper used? its very situational at best

Also the FG does do more damage to armor by an extra 10% but generally you want to use swarms since FG is alot better vs shield but shield has to passive tank and has **** active hardners, the armor tank is the best tank in the game mainly due to good long active hardners and the broken repper which keeps us in the fight

Frankly in PC it takes 2 proto FG to kill me but i have eveything active at the time while the FG themselves are up high and i cant defend myself and need a sniper to get rid of you or an OB

Isnt 4 shots just a clip of a FG? and its assault which means usper fast firing

I saw you literally two days ago in a pub match, hell and it even took concentrated fire from two guys, one being myself, to blow you up because surprise surprise you drive in someplace and parked and expected to be fine but tell me if you play PC so much and its so much harder than pub matches and you must need such a high skill level to survive tell me why you made such a rookie mistake

And dont get me started on SP sinks, lets use your main turret again as an example compared to the swarms you cry about so much
You need turret operation to lvl 3 to skill into a large turret and its a 1x multiplier skill correct
A 1x multiplier skill that also boosts your damage and is the only stepping stone to going into a large turret, repeating that just so we are clear
Now to even unlock the light weapon operations skill, not even a specific weapon itself just the categories operations skill, we have to get weaponry up to level 3, its also a 1x skill but offers absolutely no bonus to anything at all
Oh but it gets better, to even unlock the swarms we must get light weapons operations to lvl 3 which isnt all that daunting I mean its a 2x skill and does offer some benefit
But you know what, large hybrid turret operations is also a 2x skill, so that means you get advanced turrets with a damage boost for the exact same SP cost we have to only unlock the swarm skill for level up, not use mind you but just so we have the option to start skilling into them

So what did you want to cry about SP sinks again?

As for the last bit, you contradict yourself, if you claim Ive never seen you play logically that means you have never seen me play either so that means you have no idea I would do against vehicles
But then again by your own claims since I have proto swarms I must be popping tanks left and right with no effort so logically I cant be having trouble against them so you trying to insult me just falls apart


Think about what you say Taka instead of posting butt hurt rants because you get blown up and maybe, just maybe, people that arent whiny tankers such as yourself will take you seriously

But you are doing something the vast majority of AV players dont do

You are working as a team, you have 3 of you even tho its milita you are taking the initative, you are not trying to solo it with milita which frankly wont work even against an average pilot but 3 militia can give the pilot a suprise and if not careful the pilot can lose his tank

Once you skill upto adv taking a basic tank out wont cause any problems dependent on pilot skill but you already have an advantage you work together to do a job that most ppl want to do on ther own with no support