I take it you are a fan of this method

Proto AV + proto suit + proto dmg mods vs basic hull with basic mods and proto turrets

Heavens forbid you actually have a challenge and maybe have to use teamwork

Close. IAFG + Complex Damage Mods + Advanced Frame. You can blame LLAVs for all the high meta AV gear in the game right now.

and you guys say fu to people who invested over 10 mil sp into being tankers and complain about everything you cant take down with minimal intelligence.

No i can blame CCP from taking skills from pilots which added more shield/armor hp and giving it as a general buff to all vehicles standard HP so standard scrub got more base hp where as back in the day a pilot would have these skills and a non pilot wouldnt thus you can tell the difference

It started from that, then the LLAV having a good base resistance but required at least some SP into it and ISK to run it, hell i went level 5 in it and had resitance of 60% but also i used the best mods

Its still more tanker than my tank is now and the logi DS didnt even get a hp buff at all and didnt have the base resistance that the LLAV had

But all logi vehicles are getting removed so we have lost 12 vehicles when the vehicle rebalance comes into place

Anyway back to the point

Basic AV with proto suit and mods vs basic hull vs proto mods and turrets - seems fair

Minimal Intellegence?

Do you know how hard iris to take down a squad of tanks?

Do you know how frustrating it is to shoot your swarms and have it go straight for a wall?

Basically your saying that you want to be able to kill loads of people without any challenge or AV resistance whatsoever?

Dude I say FU to ppl who come right in the open and expect to live long enough to get away.

LOL, uses fire and forget scrub weapon, can't do his job with it, and wants to cry.

HTFU scrub.

PC tanker here, all i play against is proto AV, i bet you are an ambush tanker

I actually want to see basic AV vs a basic hull for once since we wont see proto hulls for quite some time anyways

So what if it takes 2ppl with basic AV to kill that basic tank, are ppl that afraid of teamwork? i have to use teamwork so i just dont get alpha'd by proto AV

Also you are wrong, after the vehicle changes tanks will start with around 5k HP, maybe another 1k added if they use extenders/plates but with only 3 slots for your tank pilots may skip the extra hp for something else, 8k lol no resistances yea no

2million SP for proto AV so hard, how about 10+mil to get a basic tank and basic mods we have now just to survive against proto AV

I love hearing double standards from infantry players

You complain basic AV vs a basic tank with proto mods and turrets even tho you can use proto dmg mods and on a proto suit to fit more dmg mods but of course you ignore that to suit your argument

But you like using proto AV and proto mods with a proto suit to kill a basic vehicle with basic mods and a proto turret but of course that is fair

You are a bad player, you said it yourself you find it hard to kill a tank with lolprotoswarms and lollaidai av nades

So i expect a bad player like yourself to struggle with any kind of fairness because if you cant kill a basic tank with basic mods using proto AV you prob dont stand a chance in killing a basic tank with basic AV because you are that bad, im suprised you know what end the missiles come out of

Doesn't happen.

Stop making up excuses for you not being able to use a tracking weapon properly.

If 90% of the playerbase can roll around like rambo popping tanks with swarms, but you can't, that means there is something wrong with you.

1. Swarm missiles dont fly backwards if target is infront, you are making this up
2. Swarm missiles do not fly in circles unless chasing a dropship which is flying in a circle pattern, you are making this up
3. Swarms only hit a wall if the vehicle is behind something but yet you can still lock onto part of the tank, the missiles always travel towards the middle of the tank and if the middile is behind cover the missiles will hit cover. Not ewhen a vehicle is in the open and missiles are fired and then the vehicle goes behind cover the missiles track to where the target once was then tracks to where it is now, this results in missiles which go around corners and hit even tho they should traget to where the target is and not where it once was

You use proto AV vs a basic tank, we do not have proto vehicles at all so this idea you do not like because you would be on level terms with vehicles thus it would be harder for you to kill it and since you have trouble with basic tanks when using proto AV it means you wouldnt have a chance in hell of killing a basic tank with basic AV because you are bad

But you are doing something the vast majority of AV players dont do

You are working as a team, you have 3 of you even tho its milita you are taking the initative, you are not trying to solo it with milita which frankly wont work even against an average pilot but 3 militia can give the pilot a suprise and if not careful the pilot can lose his tank

Once you skill upto adv taking a basic tank out wont cause any problems dependent on pilot skill but you already have an advantage you work together to do a job that most ppl want to do on ther own with no support

Ive seen the swarms circle like that, I was cruising in an LAV headed to a hot spot and this guy I didnt see launched a swarm at me from like 10 meters away when I drove past him and they all spun around me in a circle some going clockwise and some going counter clockwise, it was hilarious and scary as hell
I bailed out and just watched it for a few seconds but they never corrected their flight path and just vanished after a bit

But you are doing something the vast majority of AV players dont do

You are working as a team, you have 3 of you even tho its milita you are taking the initative, you are not trying to solo it with milita which frankly wont work even against an average pilot but 3 militia can give the pilot a suprise and if not careful the pilot can lose his tank

Once you skill upto adv taking a basic tank out wont cause any problems dependent on pilot skill but you already have an advantage you work together to do a job that most ppl want to do on ther own with no support

I play in a squad and use that squad to work together so a couple of tanks dont get instagibbed

I dont rely on bluedots to do anything for me because they are bad and useless which is exactly just like you

I mean you cant destroy a basic tank with proto AV when the weapons do it all for you and rarely if ever miss the target

Im a vehicle pilot and i use more teamwork than you

I mean why else do you guys are screaming for the ADS to come back but not the logi or scout lav?


ADS was faster and more agile, scout was useless,

Logi LAV has a 35% base resistance passive i may add

Now they are removing all passive mods and skills and taking them away

I would have loved to have a Logi dropship with 35% passive at base, i would have used the hell out of it

I even wanted a logi tank, no main turret but lots of slots prefitted with remote reps and enough slots to tank it out with a 35% base resistance

I already did a thread months back

Infantry complained yet again

My Standard FG/SL and Sleek AV would also say you're wrong too.

hes using nades like they should be used, as a support weapon, not a primary weapon.

Ok well when I run you over and get away with 100hp because you wen't with the weaker gun (or grenade) I will mail you personally and ask if you regret using them for support as opposed to a YOU SHALL NOT PASS, denial weapon

edit (because I accidentally hit post instead of preview)

I remember those chromosome tanks. Those were scary. And I still know about Logi LAVs. Those things zipping at you full speed with nitrous is pee your pants scary. And I got sick of running against people with vehicles. So instead of being a butthurt scrub I decided to be a Logi LAV driver. Didn't help against other tanks. Then I became a tanker. Wasn't as efficient against entire squads of tanks. Then I tried AV. It sucked. But then I upgraded and upgraded and when I got to proto, Hmm. Getting better. Tried Lai Dais. Hmm. closer.. closer.. Got profecincy lvl 3. Perfect .

I will never chose a STD or ADV when I go up against vehicles. And I will never get a sleek av grenade when the packed ones guarantee a victory. Would you bring a water gun or a Fire Truck to put out a fire?

Why in gods name would you suggest using something weaker. And If I do use something weaker then why should I only carry one?

Give me 5 GOOD reasons why I should use a weaker variant and risk letting them live and I'll stop going AV. And no CPU/PG is not a good reason. Mercy? Don't make me laugh.

Trust me if you run me over its because I wasn't trying to kill you.

im a tanker, everyone knows that, im wont get run over, il shoot you with my railgun before you get 30m next to me.

give me 5 good reasons why some prick who only spent 2 mil SP and 3K ISK should be able to solo my tank when I have over 10 mil SP skilled and I pay over 1 mil to deploy.

you obviously can't use teamwork nor have you ever tanked, we have to get to cover every 2 seconds cuz some noob is using proto AFG accross the map.
ps. use dmg mods

Don't cry because you suck at tanking

Arrighty duel me in your basic MLT tanks, bring it tank to tank. I want to fight something!

So if we're both sides of the coin, how does our opinion not count? You don't make any sense.

So basically what you are saying you would do is go tank to tank, at the first sign of loss you would ***** out, and run AV.

******* hell you have no honour sir.

Retracted my offer. I have more skilled and more honourable players to fight.

No, I'm pretty sure he's taking it to a personal level.

What, you think good tanks don't cost 1mil ISK? See, I told you you've never tanked.

i didnt read anything in the post but i had an idea about tanks. i think it would be good if there was some item or some way to damage the track of a tank so it is either temporarily immobilized or something. right now in a pub for example its so easy for a tank to just engage then run away when its low and rep up. tank can go completely untactical without any infantry support and beast mode too easy. maybe an immobilization grenade that will make it move 20% speed for 30 seconds, or hitting a track with a forge gun makes it unable to move for 10 seconds or something. maybe let us shove logs in the track like the finns of the winter war eh

Hmm a S*** tank tho huh?

Never had a problem with killing infantry when I have my missile launcher on. 6899 armor isn't that crappy, considering that that's what all the Madrugars I've ever seen have. And I could make that 7k if I didn't design my tank to rep other tanks.

Then again I guess maybe everyone has a **** tank, which is most likely true.

Why cant you quote properly?

No you balance it right, if we dont have proto vehicles how can we balance it to proto AV? you cant so you start at basic

I use teamwork with my tank, when i use AV i can just solo it with ease and not have to use teamwork - love double standards from AV players, its never been easier to solo a vehicle

Also you always forget, vehicles are being changed and so will AV so its best to start at basic and build up so then adv is balanced with adv and same with proto

But a bad player like you doesnt understand logic, you cant kill a basic tank with lolprotoswarms and av nades, you cant even fit up a semi decent tank and would get destroyed in seconds by basic AV anyways

Frankly you are irrelevent

You mean you screwed up the quotes

Good AV requires skill? lolno swarms/AV nades do not, FG requires a little and PLC requires alot now which one is the most popular AV weapon to use?

Basic SL can, new tanks have 3 slots for tank and 2 slot for whatever is left over, but the basic AV cannot solo a tank in general unless the pilot is an idiot, get 2 ppl and you can kill it

You can have proto AV if i get my proto vehicles DS/LAV/HAV

Also you really think this game will stick to being 16v16 forvever? also everyone should have a AV suit tbh, if you dont then dont complain if a tank stomps on you

Stick to being irrelevent since you are clearly bad at this game

Also, I'm on right now. Care to show me how you tank?

LOL "I've taken out the enemy MCC with a forge. Fact"

Done it already. All you need is a wiki swarm, and some adv. sleek AV nades (throw the nades from afar, then fire the swarms, and watch a Maddy go boom)

I love these threads, the amount of Idiocy on both sides is amazing. Tankers wanting to be untouchable gods that ruin the Infantry game, and AV players who want tanks to be made of paper. Neither side willing to give an inch or budge at all. Both sides calling each other stupid over and over again. Never understood why vehicles have been a touchy subject in every FPS, but they always have been points of contention. WHO WANTS POPCORN?

Falchion is meta 4 i think which is classed as advanced

Yet it runs with milita stats

We have no proto tanks

1: The nades aren't meant to kill the thing, just confuse it or weaken it. I usually throw them to make the repps turn on as well, so I can attack without thinking that he/she still has repps. If I want to run up on it, I'll use packed AV nades. They work so well. you just mad because you know I'm right.

if you use av grenades alone, then you suck

Our **** costs 15x more than yours. Try again.

im not ignoring anything lol, im pointing out your flaws...

your defending lol nades, which is the worst weapon in the game.

Tanks need lots of love, at their current price either buff to survivability or nerf to price. Same thing with dropships.. it should take a few peoples coordinated efforts to take out the best tank in the game. With my pro FG fitting I can take out most tanks solo, forget even needing lolnades... or do enough damage to make em run, therefore eliminating their usefulness on the battlefield. If I have the ability to hit their critical spot no tank stands a chance.

signed,

Self proclaimed forge gun extraordinaire

with nades, your free to equipped an ar or something to shoot other infantry, whats the sacrifice? a grenade slot? wo the **** what, I don't know anyone that gives that slot godly status or praises it like its a ******* god module.

weve given countless reasons why av should be nerfed from before... and now also.. but someone as biased as you will never see logic or understand balance and therefor rejects anything you don't agree with....

wait... wait I think I got it, your lukeboy's alt, that's the only way to explain your stupidity here.

I don't want to have to not solo you because:

1) Not everyone has good AV gear
2) I could blast you with everything I got (lose 6 suits in the processes), and some blueberry troll could get the WP and the rewards by shooting him with a MLT Forge Gun, leaving me with a measly 75 WP. You know this

3.) Most ppl are idiots and refuse to go AV, so that won't happen in most cases and you already knew this.

If you can fix this then I'll be on board with the whole "everyone should have to focus on the tank while the enemy infantry steals all the objectives and stuff" idea.

Until then you can GTFO.

then justify forcing tanks to use basic hulls while you get adv and proto weapons.

Problem two can be fixed by giving vehicle damage rewards. Simple to put in, and allows for a steady income of wp's for AV'ers. Problem three can't be fixed, as like you said, they are idiots. Don't balance on idiots, ever.