Sometimes I f a vehicle circles around you, while you are locking on, and you continue to strafe with the vehicle (typically derpship or LAV) when you fire, depending on where the vehicle is, the swarms will fire, but they will just fly around in circles.

I've only managed to reproduce this with the Wirykomi Specialist Swarms Launcher, and it happens about 20% of the time! but then again you don't use Proto swarms so I guess you wouldn't know that.

As for swarms crashing straight into walls, Yes it does. If a vehicle makes a turn and the Swarms are following it, 9 times outta 10, it's gonna crash into a wall.

But I guess I could also say that invisible swarms don't exist, and that Loltankers and derpship pilots just want CCP to beat us to death with the nerf bat

Ive seen the swarms circle like that, I was cruising in an LAV headed to a hot spot and this guy I didnt see launched a swarm at me from like 10 meters away when I drove past him and they all spun around me in a circle some going clockwise and some going counter clockwise, it was hilarious and scary as hell
I bailed out and just watched it for a few seconds but they never corrected their flight path and just vanished after a bit

But you are doing something the vast majority of AV players dont do

You are working as a team, you have 3 of you even tho its milita you are taking the initative, you are not trying to solo it with milita which frankly wont work even against an average pilot but 3 militia can give the pilot a suprise and if not careful the pilot can lose his tank

Once you skill upto adv taking a basic tank out wont cause any problems dependent on pilot skill but you already have an advantage you work together to do a job that most ppl want to do on ther own with no support

I take it you are a fan of this method

Proto AV + proto suit + proto dmg mods vs basic hull with basic mods and proto turrets

Heavens forbid you actually have a challenge and maybe have to use teamwork

Close. IAFG + Complex Damage Mods + Advanced Frame. You can blame LLAVs for all the high meta AV gear in the game right now.

I take it you are a fan of this method

Proto AV + proto suit + proto dmg mods vs basic hull with basic mods and proto turrets

Heavens forbid you actually have a challenge and maybe have to use teamwork

Minimal Intellegence? Well.... yeah. Tankers have suffered numerous back to back nerfs, while infantry have had back to back buffs to AV. Infantry still complains about tanks being OP, so what does it boil down to? Tankers still overcoming the odds to make tanks viable, thus using superior intelligence.

Do you know how hard iris to take down a squad of tanks? = It's not fair when tankers use teamwork!!!!!

Do you know how frustrating it is to shoot your swarms and have it go straight for a wall? = It's not fair that some vehicles can evade lock on swarms!!!!!!

Basically your saying that you want to be able to kill loads of people without any challenge or AV resistance whatsoever? = Again... STD hull, STD mods and PRO turret vs STD AV weapon, complex DMG mods and a PRO suit.

Dude I say FU to ppl who come right in the open and expect to live long enough to get away. So how do you expect any vehicle to get from point A to point B? Do you even drive? Maybe you should relinquish your driver's license because a tsunami might take out a highway.

No i can blame CCP from taking skills from pilots which added more shield/armor hp and giving it as a general buff to all vehicles standard HP so standard scrub got more base hp where as back in the day a pilot would have these skills and a non pilot wouldnt thus you can tell the difference

It started from that, then the LLAV having a good base resistance but required at least some SP into it and ISK to run it, hell i went level 5 in it and had resitance of 60% but also i used the best mods

Its still more tanker than my tank is now and the logi DS didnt even get a hp buff at all and didnt have the base resistance that the LLAV had

But all logi vehicles are getting removed so we have lost 12 vehicles when the vehicle rebalance comes into place

Anyway back to the point

Basic AV with proto suit and mods vs basic hull vs proto mods and turrets - seems fair

LOL, uses fire and forget scrub weapon, can't do his job with it, and wants to cry.

HTFU scrub.

No.

PC tanker here, all i play against is proto AV, i bet you are an ambush tanker

I actually want to see basic AV vs a basic hull for once since we wont see proto hulls for quite some time anyways

So what if it takes 2ppl with basic AV to kill that basic tank, are ppl that afraid of teamwork? i have to use teamwork so i just dont get alpha'd by proto AV

Also you are wrong, after the vehicle changes tanks will start with around 5k HP, maybe another 1k added if they use extenders/plates but with only 3 slots for your tank pilots may skip the extra hp for something else, 8k lol no resistances yea no

2million SP for proto AV so hard, how about 10+mil to get a basic tank and basic mods we have now just to survive against proto AV

Right now... 3 low level suits runing together with militia swarms is a fun fight against a well fit tank. Killing them is pretty rare unless they make a mistake, but can keep them close to death for plenty long enough to chase them off the map and make them recall.

I love hearing double standards from infantry players

You complain basic AV vs a basic tank with proto mods and turrets even tho you can use proto dmg mods and on a proto suit to fit more dmg mods but of course you ignore that to suit your argument

But you like using proto AV and proto mods with a proto suit to kill a basic vehicle with basic mods and a proto turret but of course that is fair

You are a bad player, you said it yourself you find it hard to kill a tank with lolprotoswarms and lollaidai av nades

So i expect a bad player like yourself to struggle with any kind of fairness because if you cant kill a basic tank with basic mods using proto AV you prob dont stand a chance in killing a basic tank with basic AV because you are that bad, im suprised you know what end the missiles come out of

But you are doing something the vast majority of AV players dont do

You are working as a team, you have 3 of you even tho its milita you are taking the initative, you are not trying to solo it with milita which frankly wont work even against an average pilot but 3 militia can give the pilot a suprise and if not careful the pilot can lose his tank

Once you skill upto adv taking a basic tank out wont cause any problems dependent on pilot skill but you already have an advantage you work together to do a job that most ppl want to do on ther own with no support

Doesn't happen.

Stop making up excuses for you not being able to use a tracking weapon properly.

If 90% of the playerbase can roll around like rambo popping tanks with swarms, but you can't, that means there is something wrong with you.

With vehicles we just have the basic hulls but now with prototype modules and we keep the prototype turrets

The turrets themselves have also gone back to basics and do no have any variations, so fragmented/cycled missile launchers are gone and same with blaster/railgun variations

So we have a basic hull with possible proto turrets/mods provided we can fit them


So AV needs to go through the same gutting and lose all varients (breach/assault) and also lose the adv/proto AV weapons so it is basic AV vs basic hull

Now before you complain about basic hulls having access to proto modules, you still have access to proto damage modules

Also with proto turrets, AV players can still use proto suits


So overall the fight could look like this

Basic hull + adv/proto modules + adv/proto turrets vs adv/proto dropsuit + adv/proto damage mods + basic AV weapon


Then give it a good month or 2 of testing to get feedback and stats from PC then add in adv hulls and AV weapons and repeat and then add in proto hulls and AV weapons

I'm not trying to question anyone's reasoning ability here, but wouldn't it make more sense for AV users to still get Proto AV and just have to fit it on a basic suit? If the argument is that tanks only have Proto weapons and modules but not hulls, it would seem to reason that keeping the Proto weapons across the board and limiting the shell that they are equipped to would even the playing field more.

But you are doing something the vast majority of AV players dont do

You are working as a team, you have 3 of you even tho its milita you are taking the initative, you are not trying to solo it with milita which frankly wont work even against an average pilot but 3 militia can give the pilot a suprise and if not careful the pilot can lose his tank

Once you skill upto adv taking a basic tank out wont cause any problems dependent on pilot skill but you already have an advantage you work together to do a job that most ppl want to do on ther own with no support

But you are doing something the vast majority of AV players dont do

You are working as a team, you have 3 of you even tho its milita you are taking the initative, you are not trying to solo it with milita which frankly wont work even against an average pilot but 3 militia can give the pilot a suprise and if not careful the pilot can lose his tank

Once you skill upto adv taking a basic tank out wont cause any problems dependent on pilot skill but you already have an advantage you work together to do a job that most ppl want to do on ther own with no support