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Godin Thekiller
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Posted - 2013.10.18 18:19:00 -
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Atiim wrote:
1.) If nobody can destroy you, then that would be a 30/0 per match and a 300k isk payout, while "cheating" infantry units out of a fair game.
2.) Because being AV sacrifices a lot because you are still in a dropsuit and are still exposed to normal infantry on the ground
3.) 2 Million SP is a lot compared to 10 Million into tanking. Tanks can do anything from sniping (kinda), to assualt, to AV and more. AV (except FGs) can only be used to kill vehicles. Ever see someone kill a dropsuit with Lai Dais?
4.) Why shouldn't I be able to destroy you? What should we bring in cromo tanks and buff them to 20k armor? Nah that's too low I bet you want MCC Level health and armor. What should be able to destroy you? Should we just make you invincible like 98% of the loltanking community wants to be?
5.) Because that same prick who only Spent 2 Million SP and 77k ISK is that same prick who is gonna get whipped and beaten by the enemy infantry on the ground.
1 Million ISK per deployment please.
1: Well, if we die, we lose out for several games worth ISK, so don't you think it's smart for us to not want to die?
2: First off, you should have a sidearm, and even then, Forges do just fine against infantry, swarms are barely possible to kill infantry (you have to make it explode right on them, and yes, I've killed infantry with them before), and AV nades, just throw it near a person standing by a vehicle, and it'll kill them, so all you have to do is be creative, and oh wait, all AV weapons become AI weapons as well. Secondly, most of the time, you shouldn't come in those situations, so if you are fearing for your life against infantry while trying to AV a vehicle, you're doing it wrong.
3: HAV's can't snipe. Too inaccurate, and rendering makes it impossible. Plus, the regular (and I assume the Black Ops as well) HAV's are made to assault, so kinda the point. It's our purpose to go in, scare the **** out of the enemy, and make them either run, or melt them. AV is also our secondary purpose, because our main turret is supposed the Quote:highest damaging weapons in the ******* game
4: I have never seen a thread saying that we should be invincible. Strong? Yes. invincible? Boring. We just want to be able to survive long enough to make a ******* profit. Is that too much to ask for? Really, the real problem in this regard is scaring us off for the moment isn't rewarded, so you feel inclined to kill us, and that isn't right for both parities.
5: 2m SP is nothing. I've spent 12m on my HAV. You want a person who has 6x less SP to be able to kill be solo, very easy? No, it doesn't work like that. And like I said, if you're AV, and dying from regular infantry, you're doing it wrong. |
Godin Thekiller
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Posted - 2013.10.18 18:21:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
LOL Good AV isn't even a skill! The game takes care of aiming for you! How can that possibly be considered to be "good?"
Go solo a Madruger on foot starting at stand off range with infantry escort and tell me that again.
Done it already. All you need is a wiki swarm, and some adv. sleek AV nades (throw the nades from afar, then fire the swarms, and watch a Maddy go boom) |
Godin Thekiller
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Posted - 2013.10.18 18:23:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Falchion is tier 3
Still a STD hull. it's a Enforcer HAV, not a regular HAV. Try again. |
Godin Thekiller
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Posted - 2013.10.18 20:30:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
LOL "I've taken out the enemy MCC with a forge. Fact"
Not fact, BS
Used to be possible, and when it was, very easy to do so. A Forge could change the tide of the battle. |
Godin Thekiller
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Posted - 2013.10.18 20:32:00 -
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SgtDoughnut wrote:I love these threads, the amount of Idiocy on both sides is amazing. Tankers wanting to be untouchable gods that ruin the Infantry game, and AV players who want tanks to be made of paper. Neither side willing to give an inch or budge at all. Both sides calling each other stupid over and over again. Never understood why vehicles have been a touchy subject in every FPS, but they always have been points of contention. WHO WANTS POPCORN?
I do, as I'm in the middle of all of this honestly. Oh, extra butter please? |
Godin Thekiller
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Posted - 2013.10.18 20:35:00 -
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SgtDoughnut wrote:Caeli SineDeo wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:
BAHAHAHAHAHA Blasters are CQC BAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I have seen a Blaster Turret annihilate from +75m . You tankers are just plain pathetic
I have Thrown AV grenades +75m. :P Blasters loose there effectiveness after 50 or 60 meters. Anyone who says it is hard to kill a tank is full of themselves @ all those ****** AV players I have 0 points put into AV I run around with all those AURUM AV nades Dren Swarms and Adv mini suit with Standard damage mods. I have not met a tanker I can not kill with that build. Shield tanks can be a pain in the ass but I still beat them and loose maybe 10k isk for my efforts while they go through 1m I call shenanigans on this, 75 meters is over 240 feet, that is one hell of a throw. It's 82 yards almost an entire football field.
Actually, with the right positioning...... |
Godin Thekiller
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Posted - 2013.10.19 11:50:00 -
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SgtDoughnut wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:SgtDoughnut wrote:Caeli SineDeo wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:
BAHAHAHAHAHA Blasters are CQC BAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I have seen a Blaster Turret annihilate from +75m . You tankers are just plain pathetic
I have Thrown AV grenades +75m. :P Blasters loose there effectiveness after 50 or 60 meters. Anyone who says it is hard to kill a tank is full of themselves @ all those ****** AV players I have 0 points put into AV I run around with all those AURUM AV nades Dren Swarms and Adv mini suit with Standard damage mods. I have not met a tanker I can not kill with that build. Shield tanks can be a pain in the ass but I still beat them and loose maybe 10k isk for my efforts while they go through 1m I call shenanigans on this, 75 meters is over 240 feet, that is one hell of a throw. It's 82 yards almost an entire football field. Actually, with the right positioning...... Well yeah if your up ontop of something its easy to get that kind of distance, but he makes it sound like he just does that every day all day on flat ground.
That's what I meant; on flat ground.
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Godin Thekiller
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Posted - 2013.10.19 11:52:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Falchion is tier 3
Falchion is meta 4 i think which is classed as advanced Yet it runs with milita stats We have no proto tanks
Even though it's meta 4, it's stil STD. Why? Look at the infantry suits. You have a basic frame, then you have the specialized frame. We have the same with the vehicles, a basic hull, then a specialized hull. Only, we don't have tiers.... yet. |
Godin Thekiller
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Posted - 2013.10.19 11:59:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
LOL Good AV isn't even a skill! The game takes care of aiming for you! How can that possibly be considered to be "good?"
Go solo a Madruger on foot starting at stand off range with infantry escort and tell me that again. Done it already. All you need is a wiki swarm, and some adv. sleek AV nades (throw the nades from afar, then fire the swarms, and watch a Maddy go boom) Sleek nades don't do enough danage sorry try again. And if any tank is in CQC and and gets whipped by infantry then you suck
1: The nades aren't meant to kill the thing, just confuse it or weaken it. I usually throw them to make the repps turn on as well, so I can attack without thinking that he/she still has repps. If I want to run up on it, I'll use packed AV nades. They work so well. you just mad because you know I'm right. |
Godin Thekiller
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Posted - 2013.10.19 14:24:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Void Echo, try again. And this time use logic.
Basically you are saying that we should have to use all of our best crap, with multiple people at that. While you want to be able to solo us?
So you should be able to solo us and we shouldn't? Not real balancing, that's just a gate way to stomping ppl
Double Standards dude. Double Standards.
Our **** costs 15x more than yours. Try again. |
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Godin Thekiller
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Posted - 2013.10.19 16:02:00 -
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Let's see....
1: I'm right about how easy AV is, and that you hardly know nothing (obviously), while having PROTO AV, which is a shame. You think the perfect sanerio is now, for that soloing vehicles of the best degree for almost anyone with a small amount of time put in compared to someone whom put in several times more time and ISK, when in fact it is not, and you are wrong.
2: That sleek AV nades do not in fact suck, and is great tools. |
Godin Thekiller
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Posted - 2013.10.19 16:05:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Void Echo wrote:Atiim wrote:Void Echo wrote:
with nades, your free to equipped an ar or something to shoot other infantry, whats the sacrifice? a grenade slot? wo the **** what, I don't know anyone that gives that slot godly status or praises it like its a ******* god module.
weve given countless reasons why av should be nerfed from before... and now also.. but someone as biased as you will never see logic or understand balance and therefor rejects anything you don't agree with....
wait... wait I think I got it, your lukeboy's alt, that's the only way to explain your stupidity here.
I've given countless reasons why av shouldn't be nerfed from before....and now also.. but someone as biased as you will never see logic or understand balance and therefore rejects anything you don't agree with.. Who is lukeboy? Atiim wrote: I don't want to have to not solo you because: 1) Not everyone has good AV gear 2) I could blast you with everything I got (lose 6 suits in the processes), and some blueberry troll could get the WP and the rewards by shooting him with a MLT Forge Gun, leaving me with a measly 75 WP. You know this 3.) Most ppl are idiots and refuse to go AV, so that won't happen in most cases and you already knew this. If you can fix this then I'll be on board with the whole "everyone should have to focus on the tank while the enemy infantry steals all the objectives and stuff" idea. Until then you can GTFO. If you can fix these in a sensible way then I'll be on board with you idea, and no forcing the use of basic AV 9WHIC DIES THE SAME DAMAGE AS MLT AV), is not sensible, what if I forced you to use MLT Turrets? then justify forcing tanks to use basic hulls while you get adv and proto weapons. Fine: Basic hull=/=Basic Dropsuit Proto Mods=/=Proto Dmg Mods Proto Turrets=/=Proto AV Weaponry Also if lolnades are a problem, then how about we just harden them against tanks, because currently, it's primary use are against LAVs Murder Taxis However that still doesn't solve problems 2 and 3.
Problem two can be fixed by giving vehicle damage rewards. Simple to put in, and allows for a steady income of wp's for AV'ers. Problem three can't be fixed, as like you said, they are idiots. Don't balance on idiots, ever. |
Godin Thekiller
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Posted - 2013.10.19 18:42:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
Problem two can be fixed by giving vehicle damage rewards. Simple to put in, and allows for a steady income of wp's for AV'ers. Problem three can't be fixed, as like you said, they are idiots. Don't balance on idiots, ever.
The only way I could see teamwork and AV being implemented fairly, is your solution, and maybe about three people (half a squad) to take down a tank. If everyone had to use AV then tanks squads would be beyond OP, and that is another problem. If everyone would have to use AV for one tank, then what happens when we have a squad of tanks? And PC?
No **** bro. A full team to take down me? **** that, that's OP as hell. Fun, but OP. Plus, I would get bored of that fast. Like I have been saying, 1 to annoy me, 2 to scare me away, 3 to kill me. Any number could possibly kill me, just 3 is as easy, maybe slightly easier then now to kill the best HAV I can make. |
Godin Thekiller
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Posted - 2013.10.19 19:01:00 -
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Atiim wrote:ER-Bullitt wrote:Tanks need lots of love, at their current price either buff to survivability or nerf to price. Same thing with dropships.. it should take a few peoples coordinated efforts to take out the best tank in the game. With my pro FG fitting I can take out most tanks solo, forget even needing lolnades... or do enough damage to make em run, therefore eliminating their usefulness on the battlefield. If I have the ability to hit their critical spot no tank stands a chance.
signed,
Self proclaimed forge gun extraordinaire Nerf the price, or reward us for simply scaring them off, maybe then I won't feel so inclined to blow up everyone i see
Been saying this for months....... |
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