| Pages: 1 2 3 4 [5] 6 7 8 :: one page |
|
|
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3305
   |
Posted - 2013.10.18 01:28:00 -
[121] - Quote
Atiim wrote:
I use basic tanks all the time when I'm low on funds.
Arrighty duel me in your basic MLT tanks, bring it tank to tank. I want to fight something! |
jerrmy12 kahoalii
REAPERS REPUBLIC
72
|
Posted - 2013.10.18 01:31:00 -
[122] - Quote
ReGnYuM wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
Why do you jump out in CQC range of a blaster turret?
BAHAHAHAHAHA Blasters are CQC BAHAHAHAHAHAHA I have seen a Blaster Turret annihilate from +75m
ion cannon or headshot, scrub |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
231
|
Posted - 2013.10.18 01:34:00 -
[123] - Quote
True Adamance wrote:Atiim wrote:
I use basic tanks all the time when I'm low on funds.
Arrighty duel me in your basic MLT tanks, bring it tank to tank. I want to fight something!
MLT Tanks? Umm. No
I use madrugars.
When I said basic tank I meant a tank with basic gear.
XD Millitia Tanks. I freaking take those things out with mass drivers
edit: Sure I'll go tank vs tank. But don't cry when your hull gets smashed with Lai Dais  |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1064
|
Posted - 2013.10.18 01:39:00 -
[124] - Quote
KING CHECKMATE wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
LOL You've never been a tanker. If you had that experience, you wouldn't be so against tanks.
GÖª ''You are not a tanker so your opinon doest count GÖª We (all tankers) are ALSO AV'ers so we do know what we are talking about '' This excuse is lame and its getting old and opinions based on this are ridiculously biased and obviously to be ignored.we are all playing the same game and OBVIOUSLY see stuff from a different point of view, unless you are willing to think outside YOUR box, opinions on ''balance'' are pointless. And yes, Av'ers have most of the times AV thoughts based on their experiences but so do tankers and we are both Biased. Here is when CCP must step in and decide the best for us based on the NUMBERS, not listen to our suggestions,because 1 suggestion wrongly taken = More umbalanced AV vs Vehicles....
So if we're both sides of the coin, how does our opinion not count? You don't make any sense. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
231
|
Posted - 2013.10.18 01:40:00 -
[125] - Quote
Spkr4theDead wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
LOL You've never been a tanker. If you had that experience, you wouldn't be so against tanks.
GÖª ''You are not a tanker so your opinon doest count GÖª We (all tankers) are ALSO AV'ers so we do know what we are talking about '' This excuse is lame and its getting old and opinions based on this are ridiculously biased and obviously to be ignored.we are all playing the same game and OBVIOUSLY see stuff from a different point of view, unless you are willing to think outside YOUR box, opinions on ''balance'' are pointless. And yes, Av'ers have most of the times AV thoughts based on their experiences but so do tankers and we are both Biased. Here is when CCP must step in and decide the best for us based on the NUMBERS, not listen to our suggestions,because 1 suggestion wrongly taken = More umbalanced AV vs Vehicles.... So if we're both sides of the coin, how does our opinion not count? You don't make any sense.
He's saying that none of our opinions should count, because we all have a bias in this argument |
Void Echo
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
1858
|
Posted - 2013.10.18 01:56:00 -
[126] - Quote
Atiim wrote:
1.) If nobody can destroy you, then that would be a 30/0 per match and a 300k isk payout, while "cheating" infantry units out of a fair game.
I rarely ever go 30/0 per match even with no av on the field. that's a stupid reason non the less, the biggest payout iv gotten from a pub match is 450k and that's because I destroyed enemy vehicles the whole match, killing infantry doesn't allow me to make a profit while tanking.
2.) Because being AV sacrifices a lot because you are still in a dropsuit and are still exposed to normal infantry on the ground
being a tanker, you sacrifice the ability to fight outside of your vehicle. when outside, we can barely hold our own against anyone unless we have enough SP to skill into infantry.
3.) 2 Million SP is a lot compared to 10 Million into tanking. Tanks can do anything from sniping (kinda), to assualt, to AV and more. AV (except FGs) can only be used to kill vehicles. Ever see someone kill a dropsuit with Lai Dais?
2 mil does not = 10 mil. tankers earn the privilege to be effective in anything thanks to the amount of personal investment we put into tanks.
4.) Why shouldn't I be able to destroy you? What should we bring in cromo tanks and buff them to 20k armor? Nah that's too low I bet you want MCC Level health and armor. What should be able to destroy you? Should we just make you invincible like 98% of the loltanking community wants to be?
why does me not wanting to be one shoted or soloed by you mean I want unlimited health? does that mean you know without a doubt that you cant use teamwork worth **** and completely suck at what you do so you automatically believe "they don't want me to one shot them so that means they want to be godmode"? I think so.
5.) Because that same prick who only Spent 2 Million SP and 77k ISK is that same prick who is gonna get whipped and beaten by the enemy infantry on the ground.
guess what genius, so do tankers that spend all their SP into tanks, tankers have to sacrifice skilling into anything else in order to complete tank basic skills. and guess what, that's ok, because your not supostu be master of everything. that's why AVnades need to be nerfed to hell or removed altogether, they do too much damage for what they are and they allow you to ignore the basic rule being that you must sacrifice in order to gain.
1 Million ISK per deployment please.
yeah, it costs around 1 mil isk to deploy a decent tank fitting, the lowest cost is around 900k isk which doesn't survive long. aks any tanker, theyl tell you how much it costs to deploy a decent tank.. if you don't believe me on that, then you truly are ignorant.
|
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3306
|
Posted - 2013.10.18 01:57:00 -
[127] - Quote
Atiim wrote:True Adamance wrote:Atiim wrote:
I use basic tanks all the time when I'm low on funds.
Arrighty duel me in your basic MLT tanks, bring it tank to tank. I want to fight something! MLT Tanks? Umm. No I use madrugars. When I said basic tank I meant a tank with basic gear. XD Millitia Tanks. I freaking take those things out with mass drivers edit: Sure I'll go tank vs tank. But don't cry when your hull gets smashed with Lai Dais
So basically what you are saying you would do is go tank to tank, at the first sign of loss you would ***** out, and run AV.
******* hell you have no honour sir.
Retracted my offer. I have more skilled and more honourable players to fight. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
231
|
Posted - 2013.10.18 02:01:00 -
[128] - Quote
True Adamance wrote:Atiim wrote:True Adamance wrote:Atiim wrote:
I use basic tanks all the time when I'm low on funds.
Arrighty duel me in your basic MLT tanks, bring it tank to tank. I want to fight something! MLT Tanks? Umm. No I use madrugars. When I said basic tank I meant a tank with basic gear. XD Millitia Tanks. I freaking take those things out with mass drivers edit: Sure I'll go tank vs tank. But don't cry when your hull gets smashed with Lai Dais So basically what you are saying you would do is go tank to tank, at the first sign of loss you would ***** out, and run AV. ******* hell you have no honour sir. Retracted my offer. I have more skilled and more honourable players to fight.
... Have you read the my replies from other people?
Teamwork?!?!
I 1v1 you while my squad beats you to death with AV. It's what normally happens when I tank vs tank.
Hey it was the tankers who said that they wanted to see more teamwork outta AV. Irony hurts doesn't it? XD
And it's hard to find honourable people in this game. Honorable people however is a different story. |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1064
|
Posted - 2013.10.18 02:04:00 -
[129] - Quote
Atiim wrote:Void Echo wrote:Atiim wrote:Ok well when I run you over and get away with 100hp because you wen't with the weaker gun (or grenade) I will mail you personally and ask if you regret using them for support as opposed to a YOU SHALL NOT PASS, denial weapon edit (because I accidentally hit post instead of preview) I remember those chromosome tanks. Those were scary. And I still know about Logi LAVs. Those things zipping at you full speed with nitrous is pee your pants scary. And I got sick of running against people with vehicles. So instead of being a butthurt scrub I decided to be a Logi LAV driver. Didn't help against other tanks. Then I became a tanker. Wasn't as efficient against entire squads of tanks. Then I tried AV. It sucked. But then I upgraded and upgraded and when I got to proto, Hmm. Getting better. Tried Lai Dais. Hmm. closer.. closer.. Got profecincy lvl 3. Perfect . I will never chose a STD or ADV when I go up against vehicles. And I will never get a sleek av grenade when the packed ones guarantee a victory. Would you bring a water gun or a Fire Truck to put out a fire? Why in gods name would you suggest using something weaker. And If I do use something weaker then why should I only carry one? Give me 5 GOOD reasons why I should use a weaker variant and risk letting them live and I'll stop going AV. And no CPU/PG is not a good reason. Mercy? Don't make me laugh. im a tanker, everyone knows that, im wont get run over, il shoot you with my railgun before you get 30m next to me. give me 5 good reasons why some prick who only spent 2 mil SP and 3K ISK should be able to solo my tank when I have over 10 mil SP skilled and I pay over 1 mil to deploy. 1.) If nobody can destroy you, then that would be a 30/0 per match and a 300k isk payout, while "cheating" infantry units out of a fair game. 2.) Because being AV sacrifices a lot because you are still in a dropsuit and are still exposed to normal infantry on the ground 3.) 2 Million SP is a lot compared to 10 Million into tanking. Tanks can do anything from sniping (kinda), to assualt, to AV and more. AV (except FGs) can only be used to kill vehicles. Ever see someone kill a dropsuit with Lai Dais? 4.) Why shouldn't I be able to destroy you? What should we bring in cromo tanks and buff them to 20k armor? Nah that's too low I bet you want MCC Level health and armor. What should be able to destroy you? Should we just make you invincible like 98% of the loltanking community wants to be? 5.) Because that same prick who only Spent 2 Million SP and 77k ISK is that same prick who is gonna get whipped and beaten by the enemy infantry on the ground. 1 Million ISK per deployment please.
What, you think good tanks don't cost 1mil ISK? See, I told you you've never tanked. |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1064
|
Posted - 2013.10.18 02:05:00 -
[130] - Quote
Atiim wrote:True Adamance wrote:Atiim wrote:True Adamance wrote:Atiim wrote:
I use basic tanks all the time when I'm low on funds.
Arrighty duel me in your basic MLT tanks, bring it tank to tank. I want to fight something! MLT Tanks? Umm. No I use madrugars. When I said basic tank I meant a tank with basic gear. XD Millitia Tanks. I freaking take those things out with mass drivers edit: Sure I'll go tank vs tank. But don't cry when your hull gets smashed with Lai Dais So basically what you are saying you would do is go tank to tank, at the first sign of loss you would ***** out, and run AV. ******* hell you have no honour sir. Retracted my offer. I have more skilled and more honourable players to fight. ... Have you read the my replies from other people? Teamwork?!?! I 1v1 you while my squad beats you to death with AV. It's what normally happens when I tank vs tank. Hey it was the tankers who said that they wanted to see more teamwork outta AV. Irony hurts doesn't it? XD And it's hard to find honourable people in this game. Honorable people however is a different story.
AV says they shouldn't have to use teamwork, all while saying tankers must use teamwork to survive. Wonderful double standards. |
|
|
Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1064
|
Posted - 2013.10.18 02:12:00 -
[131] - Quote
Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
LOL You've never been a tanker. If you had that experience, you wouldn't be so against tanks.
GÖª ''You are not a tanker so your opinon doest count GÖª We (all tankers) are ALSO AV'ers so we do know what we are talking about '' This excuse is lame and its getting old and opinions based on this are ridiculously biased and obviously to be ignored.we are all playing the same game and OBVIOUSLY see stuff from a different point of view, unless you are willing to think outside YOUR box, opinions on ''balance'' are pointless. And yes, Av'ers have most of the times AV thoughts based on their experiences but so do tankers and we are both Biased. Here is when CCP must step in and decide the best for us based on the NUMBERS, not listen to our suggestions,because 1 suggestion wrongly taken = More umbalanced AV vs Vehicles.... So if we're both sides of the coin, how does our opinion not count? You don't make any sense. He's saying that none of our opinions should count, because we all have a bias in this argument
No, I'm pretty sure he's taking it to a personal level. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
231
|
Posted - 2013.10.18 02:15:00 -
[132] - Quote
Yep double standards FTW.
I once rage a PUB chat a few months ago from I guy who's tank I destroyed
It basically said that I'm a no good f***ing scrub who uses lolswarms against loltanks.He said that I should be forced to use teamwork to take me down, and that I use noob tubes and all that other stuff.
I saw the same guy a few days later and decided to troll him some more by having 2 of my friends come with me to take him out. He charged right into us and got pounded by 12 Lai Dais.
I mailed him and asked if I should use still use teamwork. I think he blocked me after that.
Tankers rage even harder if they encounter a full squad of lolswarms, yet have the nerve to cry about using teamwork should be mandatory, as if everybody has GOOD and when I say it, I mean GOOD AV.
i only say that we shouldn't always need teamwork because not everyone has GOOD AV.
We both adhere to double standards, but I have reasoning behind mine. Loltankers (most of them) are just plain hypocritical.
But aren't we all hypocrites in New Eden? |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
231
|
Posted - 2013.10.18 02:19:00 -
[133] - Quote
Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
LOL You've never been a tanker. If you had that experience, you wouldn't be so against tanks.
GÖª ''You are not a tanker so your opinon doest count GÖª We (all tankers) are ALSO AV'ers so we do know what we are talking about '' This excuse is lame and its getting old and opinions based on this are ridiculously biased and obviously to be ignored.we are all playing the same game and OBVIOUSLY see stuff from a different point of view, unless you are willing to think outside YOUR box, opinions on ''balance'' are pointless. And yes, Av'ers have most of the times AV thoughts based on their experiences but so do tankers and we are both Biased. Here is when CCP must step in and decide the best for us based on the NUMBERS, not listen to our suggestions,because 1 suggestion wrongly taken = More umbalanced AV vs Vehicles.... So if we're both sides of the coin, how does our opinion not count? You don't make any sense. He's saying that none of our opinions should count, because we all have a bias in this argument No, I'm pretty sure he's taking it to a personal level.
Don't see how he's taking it to a personal level. He said that CCP shouldn't take all of OUR suggestion into play.
|
Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1064
|
Posted - 2013.10.18 02:24:00 -
[134] - Quote
Atiim wrote:Yep double standards FTW.
I once rage a PUB chat a few months ago from I guy who's tank I destroyed
It basically said that I'm a no good f***ing scrub who uses lolswarms against loltanks.He said that I should be forced to use teamwork to take me down, and that I use noob tubes and all that other stuff.
I saw the same guy a few days later and decided to troll him some more by having 2 of my friends come with me to take him out. He charged right into us and got pounded by 12 Lai Dais.
I mailed him and asked if I should use still use teamwork. I think he blocked me after that.
Tankers rage even harder if they encounter a full squad of lolswarms, yet have the nerve to cry about using teamwork should be mandatory, as if everybody has GOOD and when I say it, I mean GOOD AV.
i only say that we shouldn't always need teamwork because not everyone has GOOD AV.
We both adhere to double standards, but I have reasoning behind mine. Loltankers (most of them) are just plain hypocritical.
But aren't we all hypocrites in New Eden?
Because you're still using crutch weapons. I can at least respect forge gunners on ground level because they play a dangerous game of cat and mouse, and have to aim their weapon to destroy me. |
Alpha 443-6732
843 Boot Camp
173
|
Posted - 2013.10.18 02:42:00 -
[135] - Quote
Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:Yep double standards FTW.
I once rage a PUB chat a few months ago from I guy who's tank I destroyed
It basically said that I'm a no good f***ing scrub who uses lolswarms against loltanks.He said that I should be forced to use teamwork to take me down, and that I use noob tubes and all that other stuff.
I saw the same guy a few days later and decided to troll him some more by having 2 of my friends come with me to take him out. He charged right into us and got pounded by 12 Lai Dais.
I mailed him and asked if I should use still use teamwork. I think he blocked me after that.
Tankers rage even harder if they encounter a full squad of lolswarms, yet have the nerve to cry about using teamwork should be mandatory, as if everybody has GOOD and when I say it, I mean GOOD AV.
i only say that we shouldn't always need teamwork because not everyone has GOOD AV.
We both adhere to double standards, but I have reasoning behind mine. Loltankers (most of them) are just plain hypocritical.
But aren't we all hypocrites in New Eden? Because you're still using crutch weapons. I can at least respect forge gunners on ground level because they play a dangerous game of cat and mouse, and have to aim their weapon to destroy me.
I also go against dumbass solo swarmers who think they can stand in front of my turret and strafe my blaster! They send me hatemail as well! |
Lanius Pulvis
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
17
|
Posted - 2013.10.18 03:43:00 -
[136] - Quote
IT IS NOT FAIR
BASIC AV DOES THE SAME DAMAGE AS MIILITIA AV
Do you hear yourself? Proto suit vs Proto turret jump in front of an 80GJ Particle Ion Cannon and see who wins. Thg tank or dropsuit?
Basically you want us to use Millitia AV against a basic tank with proto turrets. A basic tank can easily get 6k Armor and nothing would take that down with Millitia AV
A dropsuit vs a tank?
800 armor vs 6000 armor.
Yeah not fair[/quote]
Really? You're shocked at the damage being the same? Welcome to DUST, since you're obviously new, look at all the militia weapons THEY ARE THE SAME AS THE FIRST TIER WEAPONS EXCEPT FITTING COST.
As to not taking down high HP tanks, all I've used is militia swarms, and with 3 people swarming, I've taken out a fully fitted Madruger. It took awhile, and some actual tactics and 2 deaths, but we did it! If you don't know about aiming away from obstacles after getting a lock, it's a technique you should learn. And even one person with militia swarms can be a danger to a drop ship on smaller maps because there's so much less cover for airborne vehicles. You being poor at AV isn't unfair, it's just sad. |
trollface dot jpg
The Bacon Corporation
109
|
Posted - 2013.10.18 09:12:00 -
[137] - Quote
If you guys keep ******** about it CCP may just decide that another wipe is in order and just reset the whole thing so they can test the basic vehicles against basic gear and build in the newer vehicles as SP levels rise again.
We all know how well another total reset would go... tho I've gotta say, the tears would be the tastiest I've ever experienced.
Will never happen, I know, but a brotha can dream can't he? |
Destroyer Rob
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
11
|
Posted - 2013.10.18 09:17:00 -
[138] - Quote
i didnt read anything in the post but i had an idea about tanks. i think it would be good if there was some item or some way to damage the track of a tank so it is either temporarily immobilized or something. right now in a pub for example its so easy for a tank to just engage then run away when its low and rep up. tank can go completely untactical without any infantry support and beast mode too easy. maybe an immobilization grenade that will make it move 20% speed for 30 seconds, or hitting a track with a forge gun makes it unable to move for 10 seconds or something. maybe let us shove logs in the track like the finns of the winter war eh |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
1455
|
Posted - 2013.10.18 12:21:00 -
[139] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
- You balance top down. - Or bottom up
- Military Grade Tanks are Tier 2, The Enforcers are Tier 3. Both where designed without standard-advanced-prototype progression in mind and are poor excuses for their what would have been respectively the advanced and prototype tiers. - Enforcers were really milita advanced tanks aka 1.5 with poor bonuses for long range bombardment with short range turrets, tiercide means **** when dropsuits and more importantly AV weapons have basic/adv/proto, even vehicle mods and turrets are now upto proto so the vehicle hulls should get adv/proto varients
- There are not many other weapon systems that gains 50% more damage between basic and prototype + with the damage gain between swarm launchers makes the effect that much more exaggerated. - Still doesnt fix the broken swarms and the 50% diff i didnt do it but i have to deal with it, even my turrets dont get that % increase
- Should but it should also be conal from point of impact instead of spherical to mimic what most AV really should be doing. Where as the railgun on vehicles can retain the spherical.
- Sticky as in you shoot a vehicle with the plasma cannon the shot will stick to the vehicle causing damage over time. Best used on very speedy vehicles or hit and run vehicles that do not allow themselves to get shot for a long time. - How can a tank avoid a weapon like that? plus whats the counter to it
- AV grenades need a direct contact with vehicle variant to keep the current damage levels. Homing variants should suffer damage loss. Timed grenades I do not see being valuable in anti-vehicle uses as PS2 has demonstrated such grenades are utterly worthless time and time again. - PS2 is a completely diff game where you can invest in the tank like everyone one else but its no personal cost to you perse except with time and once destroyed you cant call one back in on a whim, homing nades should not exist
- Burst forge gun is more for close in ambush limited window, allows an operator to mag out before he gets killed. Basically its a fancier breach variant but instead of one single shot doing all the damage its a burst of shots instead that is probably better used against ground vehicles instead of air vehicles as the current breach is. - Whats to stop it being whacked against infantry in quick succession
- Not at once 12 missiles over 12-24 seconds after the initial lock on. Design intent is to make a harassment weapon to scare off vehicles. Constantly nailing a pilot with missiles can drive them off. - maybe
- See Desync Issues - As an AV operator you will notice swarms never disappear, go through stuff, magically around corners. As a third party observer you will see swarms do all the things pilot claims from launch to target. As a target you rarely see the missiles and when you do it is doing the weird things. Three points of view three different stories = desync issues, and the story most true is the operator's. - As a proto swarm operator i have seen my missiles do the stuff that i have seen when in a tank, i have both sides of the coin and they are exactly as i have seen
- Yes you're giving up a slot to gain an immunity to a set of possible weapon systems. It could be charge based as well or cooldown cool up. It would take up the same slot as a resistance plate so you're basically trading taking less damage for taking no damage. - So with slots being at a minimum we have to make another choice, this could be made into a rig slot for example, all vehicles could have rig slots same as the ships in EVE have them, the rig slots can be used to put in a plate so it doesnt take a module slot except it has a bigger drawback i think, if we added rig slots to vehicles that would add more variation in fits
- Mine layers are a small turret unless built in. Type of mines is dependent on the launcher. - Active i take it as, ammo wise does it have so many mines, does it rely on depot for resupply and it has to be seperate from main ammo
- Decrease rate of turn to that of a mechanical feel would help with small turret accuracy as overshooting the target is fairly common on a few vehicles, This however must be combined with the gyro tabs because the vehicle dictates where the gun is pointing far more than the operator. - gyro should be in anyways, we have asked for this many times, as for overshooting not as much its keeping it on target while main turret moves, add the gyro problem solved
- Not saying to follow WoT's system exactly. Just make it sensible and allow for saturation, for example shooting the same tread over and over again is not going to do much more damage to the main HP. Zones could be simplified such at large turret, treads, body, engine, wheels, small turret. AV weapons with splash would be more preferable for taking out parts while those with no splash would be more inclined to be killing the vehicle instead. - But how you repair a broken tread? you cant just run a large repper for it and then your screwed because 30sec cooldown just for one thing, unless you have repair kits like in WOT and you can carry so many and activate them, but overall the system would have to be changed and made more complicated as a consequence
|
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
231
|
Posted - 2013.10.18 12:56:00 -
[140] - Quote
Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:Void Echo wrote:Atiim wrote:Ok well when I run you over and get away with 100hp because you wen't with the weaker gun (or grenade) I will mail you personally and ask if you regret using them for support as opposed to a YOU SHALL NOT PASS, denial weapon edit (because I accidentally hit post instead of preview) I remember those chromosome tanks. Those were scary. And I still know about Logi LAVs. Those things zipping at you full speed with nitrous is pee your pants scary. And I got sick of running against people with vehicles. So instead of being a butthurt scrub I decided to be a Logi LAV driver. Didn't help against other tanks. Then I became a tanker. Wasn't as efficient against entire squads of tanks. Then I tried AV. It sucked. But then I upgraded and upgraded and when I got to proto, Hmm. Getting better. Tried Lai Dais. Hmm. closer.. closer.. Got profecincy lvl 3. Perfect . I will never chose a STD or ADV when I go up against vehicles. And I will never get a sleek av grenade when the packed ones guarantee a victory. Would you bring a water gun or a Fire Truck to put out a fire? Why in gods name would you suggest using something weaker. And If I do use something weaker then why should I only carry one? Give me 5 GOOD reasons why I should use a weaker variant and risk letting them live and I'll stop going AV. And no CPU/PG is not a good reason. Mercy? Don't make me laugh. im a tanker, everyone knows that, im wont get run over, il shoot you with my railgun before you get 30m next to me. give me 5 good reasons why some prick who only spent 2 mil SP and 3K ISK should be able to solo my tank when I have over 10 mil SP skilled and I pay over 1 mil to deploy. 1.) If nobody can destroy you, then that would be a 30/0 per match and a 300k isk payout, while "cheating" infantry units out of a fair game. 2.) Because being AV sacrifices a lot because you are still in a dropsuit and are still exposed to normal infantry on the ground 3.) 2 Million SP is a lot compared to 10 Million into tanking. Tanks can do anything from sniping (kinda), to assualt, to AV and more. AV (except FGs) can only be used to kill vehicles. Ever see someone kill a dropsuit with Lai Dais? 4.) Why shouldn't I be able to destroy you? What should we bring in cromo tanks and buff them to 20k armor? Nah that's too low I bet you want MCC Level health and armor. What should be able to destroy you? Should we just make you invincible like 98% of the loltanking community wants to be? 5.) Because that same prick who only Spent 2 Million SP and 77k ISK is that same prick who is gonna get whipped and beaten by the enemy infantry on the ground. 1 Million ISK per deployment please. What, you think good tanks don't cost 1mil ISK? See, I told you you've never tanked.
My Madrugar, costs me 450k, and it's got a good repper, 180mm steel plates, 2 beta PG extenders, a heavy armor remote repairer, and a light converse shield transporter. Along with an ST-1 missile launcher (or whatever that basic missile turret is). And I could reduce that cost to 300k if I really wanted to.
Don't believe me? Then I'll post a picture when I get home.
Tanks cost 1 Mil when you make them cost one mil |
|
|
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
231
|
Posted - 2013.10.18 12:58:00 -
[141] - Quote
Destroyer Rob wrote:i didnt read anything in the post but i had an idea about tanks. i think it would be good if there was some item or some way to damage the track of a tank so it is either temporarily immobilized or something. right now in a pub for example its so easy for a tank to just engage then run away when its low and rep up. tank can go completely untactical without any infantry support and beast mode too easy. maybe an immobilization grenade that will make it move 20% speed for 30 seconds, or hitting a track with a forge gun makes it unable to move for 10 seconds or something. maybe let us shove logs in the track like the finns of the winter war eh
Yeah most lol tankers don't do anything but run and gun, and then wonder why AV hurts. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
231
|
Posted - 2013.10.18 13:00:00 -
[142] - Quote
Void Echo wrote:Atiim wrote:
1.) If nobody can destroy you, then that would be a 30/0 per match and a 300k isk payout, while "cheating" infantry units out of a fair game.
I rarely ever go 30/0 per match even with no av on the field. that's a stupid reason non the less, the biggest payout iv gotten from a pub match is 450k and that's because I destroyed enemy vehicles the whole match, killing infantry doesn't allow me to make a profit while tanking.
2.) Because being AV sacrifices a lot because you are still in a dropsuit and are still exposed to normal infantry on the ground
being a tanker, you sacrifice the ability to fight outside of your vehicle. when outside, we can barely hold our own against anyone unless we have enough SP to skill into infantry.
3.) 2 Million SP is a lot compared to 10 Million into tanking. Tanks can do anything from sniping (kinda), to assualt, to AV and more. AV (except FGs) can only be used to kill vehicles. Ever see someone kill a dropsuit with Lai Dais?
2 mil does not = 10 mil. tankers earn the privilege to be effective in anything thanks to the amount of personal investment we put into tanks.
4.) Why shouldn't I be able to destroy you? What should we bring in cromo tanks and buff them to 20k armor? Nah that's too low I bet you want MCC Level health and armor. What should be able to destroy you? Should we just make you invincible like 98% of the loltanking community wants to be?
why does me not wanting to be one shoted or soloed by you mean I want unlimited health? does that mean you know without a doubt that you cant use teamwork worth **** and completely suck at what you do so you automatically believe "they don't want me to one shot them so that means they want to be godmode"? I think so.
5.) Because that same prick who only Spent 2 Million SP and 77k ISK is that same prick who is gonna get whipped and beaten by the enemy infantry on the ground.
guess what genius, so do tankers that spend all their SP into tanks, tankers have to sacrifice skilling into anything else in order to complete tank basic skills. and guess what, that's ok, because your not supostu be master of everything. that's why AVnades need to be nerfed to hell or removed altogether, they do too much damage for what they are and they allow you to ignore the basic rule being that you must sacrifice in order to gain.
1 Million ISK per deployment please.
yeah, it costs around 1 mil isk to deploy a decent tank fitting, the lowest cost is around 900k isk which doesn't survive long. aks any tanker, theyl tell you how much it costs to deploy a decent tank.. if you don't believe me on that, then you truly are ignorant.
You are a lair. Mine costs 3-4.5k ISK
|
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
1455
|
Posted - 2013.10.18 13:00:00 -
[143] - Quote
Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:Void Echo wrote:Atiim wrote:Ok well when I run you over and get away with 100hp because you wen't with the weaker gun (or grenade) I will mail you personally and ask if you regret using them for support as opposed to a YOU SHALL NOT PASS, denial weapon edit (because I accidentally hit post instead of preview) I remember those chromosome tanks. Those were scary. And I still know about Logi LAVs. Those things zipping at you full speed with nitrous is pee your pants scary. And I got sick of running against people with vehicles. So instead of being a butthurt scrub I decided to be a Logi LAV driver. Didn't help against other tanks. Then I became a tanker. Wasn't as efficient against entire squads of tanks. Then I tried AV. It sucked. But then I upgraded and upgraded and when I got to proto, Hmm. Getting better. Tried Lai Dais. Hmm. closer.. closer.. Got profecincy lvl 3. Perfect . I will never chose a STD or ADV when I go up against vehicles. And I will never get a sleek av grenade when the packed ones guarantee a victory. Would you bring a water gun or a Fire Truck to put out a fire? Why in gods name would you suggest using something weaker. And If I do use something weaker then why should I only carry one? Give me 5 GOOD reasons why I should use a weaker variant and risk letting them live and I'll stop going AV. And no CPU/PG is not a good reason. Mercy? Don't make me laugh. im a tanker, everyone knows that, im wont get run over, il shoot you with my railgun before you get 30m next to me. give me 5 good reasons why some prick who only spent 2 mil SP and 3K ISK should be able to solo my tank when I have over 10 mil SP skilled and I pay over 1 mil to deploy. 1.) If nobody can destroy you, then that would be a 30/0 per match and a 300k isk payout, while "cheating" infantry units out of a fair game. 2.) Because being AV sacrifices a lot because you are still in a dropsuit and are still exposed to normal infantry on the ground 3.) 2 Million SP is a lot compared to 10 Million into tanking. Tanks can do anything from sniping (kinda), to assualt, to AV and more. AV (except FGs) can only be used to kill vehicles. Ever see someone kill a dropsuit with Lai Dais? 4.) Why shouldn't I be able to destroy you? What should we bring in cromo tanks and buff them to 20k armor? Nah that's too low I bet you want MCC Level health and armor. What should be able to destroy you? Should we just make you invincible like 98% of the loltanking community wants to be? 5.) Because that same prick who only Spent 2 Million SP and 77k ISK is that same prick who is gonna get whipped and beaten by the enemy infantry on the ground. 1 Million ISK per deployment please. What, you think good tanks don't cost 1mil ISK? See, I told you you've never tanked. My Madrugar, costs me 450k, and it's got a good repper, 180mm steel plates, 2 beta PG extenders, a heavy armor remote repairer, and a light converse shield transporter. Along with an ST-1 missile launcher (or whatever that basic missile turret is). And I could reduce that cost to 300k if I really wanted to. Don't believe me? Then I'll post a picture when I get home. Tanks cost 1 Mil when you make them cost one mil
That is a **** tank tho
I have a 450k tank which could vaporise it, the reason a decent tank costs 1mil is mainly due to the turret which needs to be good enough to whack AV infantry and any tanks you come across |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
231
|
Posted - 2013.10.18 13:14:00 -
[144] - Quote
I have a 450k tank which could vaporise it, the reason a decent tank costs 1mil is mainly due to the turret which needs to be good enough to whack AV infantry and any tanks you come across[/quote]
Hmm a S*** tank tho huh?
Never had a problem with killing infantry when I have my missile launcher on. 6899 armor isn't that crappy, considering that that's what all the Madrugars I've ever seen have. And I could make that 7k if I didn't design my tank to rep other tanks.
Then again I guess maybe everyone has a **** tank, which is most likely true. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
1455
|
Posted - 2013.10.18 13:24:00 -
[145] - Quote
Atiim wrote:I have a 450k tank which could vaporise it, the reason a decent tank costs 1mil is mainly due to the turret which needs to be good enough to whack AV infantry and any tanks you come across
Hmm a S*** tank tho huh?
Never had a problem with killing infantry when I have my missile launcher on. 6899 armor isn't that crappy, considering that that's what all the Madrugars I've ever seen have. And I could make that 7k if I didn't design my tank to rep other tanks.
Then again I guess maybe everyone has a **** tank, which is most likely true.[/quote]
Thers is **** tanks like your fitting then ther is smart cheap tanks
All tanks in general are 500k about due to the mods, its the turrets which skyrocket the price but also make you more offensive against vehicles and AI if you choose to try and do both |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
233
|
Posted - 2013.10.18 13:39:00 -
[146] - Quote
Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Atiim wrote:I have a 450k tank which could vaporise it, the reason a decent tank costs 1mil is mainly due to the turret which needs to be good enough to whack AV infantry and any tanks you come across Hmm a S*** tank tho huh? Never had a problem with killing infantry when I have my missile launcher on. 6899 armor isn't that crappy, considering that that's what all the Madrugars I've ever seen have. And I could make that 7k if I didn't design my tank to rep other tanks. Then again I guess maybe everyone has a **** tank, which is most likely true.
Thers is **** tanks like your fitting then ther is smart cheap tanks
All tanks in general are 500k about due to the mods, its the turrets which skyrocket the price but also make you more offensive against vehicles and AI if you choose to try and do both [/quote]
**** tanks and smart tanks huh? What is the difference? Unless you think I have MLT gear.
Though let's stop having an e-peen stroking contest and get to the point:
If we nerf AV, (which you clearly want) and leave LOLTanks the same then you will dominate regardless of AV resistance. A basic swarm launcher is a MLT swarm launcher with lower CPU/PG. You know that. I know that. And the same is for FGs.
You wasn't to be able to stomp with little to no AV resistance whatsoever. And don't give me that teamwork BS because last time I checked, it takes ONE PERSON to drive a Loltank. And Squads of tanks are very rare. DO YOU WANT 16 PEOPLE WITH PROTO AV?.
Say no and your a hypocrite. Say yes and your just plain stupid.
Here is a tip, do what infantry does, DON'T RUN THE MOST EXPENSIVE CRAP POSSIBLE. Maybe you and the rest of your incompetent **** loltankers won't be so butthurt when I destroy your tanks
GET GOOD or don't call out your **** tank
Oh and don't get me wrong, you are a **** tanker, along with the rest of you loltankers |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
1455
|
Posted - 2013.10.18 13:47:00 -
[147] - Quote
Why cant you quote properly?
No you balance it right, if we dont have proto vehicles how can we balance it to proto AV? you cant so you start at basic
I use teamwork with my tank, when i use AV i can just solo it with ease and not have to use teamwork - love double standards from AV players, its never been easier to solo a vehicle
Also you always forget, vehicles are being changed and so will AV so its best to start at basic and build up so then adv is balanced with adv and same with proto
But a bad player like you doesnt understand logic, you cant kill a basic tank with lolprotoswarms and av nades, you cant even fit up a semi decent tank and would get destroyed in seconds by basic AV anyways
Frankly you are irrelevent |
Bendtner92
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1158
|
Posted - 2013.10.18 13:54:00 -
[148] - Quote
Taka just stop this bs wanting to remove proto AV.
As far as I know vehicles will have both proto mods and weapons, so if anything should happen, AV players shouldn't be allowed to use AV on anything but standard suits.
Of course there's no chance that would happen, and frankly wouldn't change a single thing since you can easily use proto AV on standard suits.
If you would just take the time and go through the vehicle changes you would see that AV will have a very hard time taking you out, especially since swarms and AV nades (and possibly the forge gun as well) are being nerfed. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
233
|
Posted - 2013.10.18 13:59:00 -
[149] - Quote
Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Why cant you quote properly?
No you balance it right, if we dont have proto vehicles how can we balance it to proto AV? you cant so you start at basic
I use teamwork with my tank, when i use AV i can just solo it with ease and not have to use teamwork - love double standards from AV players, its never been easier to solo a vehicle
Also you always forget, vehicles are being changed and so will AV so its best to start at basic and build up so then adv is balanced with adv and same with proto
But a bad player like you doesnt understand logic, you cant kill a basic tank with lolprotoswarms and av nades, you cant even fit up a semi decent tank and would get destroyed in seconds by basic AV anyways
Frankly you are irrelevent
Umm you do realized that it was you who messed up the text for the quotes right?
I'm capable of teamwork, but good AV is not a skill that everyone has. And I honestly doubt your credibility with lolswarms, as you can only solo with PRO AV. If you get soloed by STD/ADV AV then you suck. There is not helping or rebalancing that.
As for balancing AV, you realize that a basic SL can't do crap against a good tank right? No that's what I thought.
Stop dodging the question, do you or do you not want everyone and his grandma to have PRO AV? Do you want full 16 man teams to have AV the second you call in a car? That qualifies as teamwork right? - love double standards from loltankers.
Maybe you should pour that 1 Million ISK Into some Kleenex, because tanking clearly is not good for you. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
1455
|
Posted - 2013.10.18 14:11:00 -
[150] - Quote
Bendtner92 wrote:Taka just stop this bs wanting to remove proto AV.
As far as I know vehicles will have both proto mods and weapons, so if anything should happen, AV players shouldn't be allowed to use AV on anything but standard suits.
Of course there's no chance that would happen, and frankly wouldn't change a single thing since you can easily use proto AV on standard suits.
If you would just take the time and go through the vehicle changes you would see that AV will have a very hard time taking you out, especially since swarms and AV nades (and possibly the forge gun as well) are being nerfed.
No AV numbers yet
Basic vs basic is the best way tbh then scale it up |
|
|
|
|
| |
|
| Pages: 1 2 3 4 [5] 6 7 8 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |