Then TBH you need to find a different game because CCP will never make this into a tactical game. Its not supposed to be. ITs original design was to be similar to MAG and Halo. Which I am assuming are both games you hate because they are strafing/tracking shooters.

No, its not because I can't aim (I can aim pretty well), but because they make no f***ing sense.

Go play paintball and tell me how well you do while bunny hopping / side strafing. If it's such an "pro" topic in infantry tactics then why don't our Seals, or Rangers, or Force Recon guys jump up and down and side to side like idiots while taking fire? You know why, because while it may make you (slightly) harder to hit your aim become absolute s***.

So that is why. Not because I can't aim, not because I am not pro, but because it is such a laughably bad tactic that it has no place in any sort of realistic military shooter.

What dont you people understand....THIS IS NOT A TACTICAL SHOOTER...if you want a tactical shooter you have to play a different game. THis game was NEVER meant to be a tactical shooter nor will CCP EVER MAKE IT INTO a tactical shooter. Their main goal was to make a shooter that was free to play, connected to the Eve universe, and was Haloesque to draw the type of gamers who enjoy Halo. Halo is NOT a tactical shooter why would you assume this game would be? I mean just the fact that you can survive 1 shot pretty much makes this not a tactical shooter.

That's different issues though. When under open fire and trying to evade the shots, you'll probably do some mad jumps to make yourself hard to hit.

Now you cannot even do this defensively anymore. Not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, but your analogy is a bit lacking. Accuracy going down the drain while dodging madly could have been simulated.

A good thing about this is that low-accuracy weapons like the mass driver are much less of an advantage now. Making yourself hard to hit while spamming explosives right in front of your feet really did feel a bit stupid.

Right now it feels a bit sluggish to me with the 90% strafe, but I also have a feeling that I'll get used to it quickly.

For the record, I don't hate Halo (and I've never played MAG, unfortunately). But I don't consider Halo to be realistically themed. I do consider DUST to be realistically themed. Why, because it's a CCP game. They try to make everything in the game have a realistic reason; down to the third person view of your ship in EVE (camera drones). So I except DUST to be more realistic than Halo (which is far from realistic), hence my frustration.

Bunny hopping is bad bc it gets you killed, jumping targets are easy to hit bc you can easily predict their movement, on the other hand strafeing is bad because it makes me hard to kill and most of these eve nerds have never had to move that way and they suck at it, bc its harder to hit that unpredictable movement, always strafe, always move, and never in a pattern, the reason they want strafe speed turned down the same reason they want aim assist turned up because they can't shoot. Its the same reason eve players have been ruining this game via their position on the cpm from day 1, you mercs gt to realize that much of the influence to ccp comes from people that suck at shooting. These are spread sheet nerds that have been sitting in virtual ships for 10 years and didn't come up through the ranks of doom, quake, halo, bf, cod, and the rest they just leached over here from eve bc they were big eve players, and like the useless space parasites they are they are sucking the skill out of shooting, by saying things like they move to fast side to side I can't hit them, and give us aim assist, blah blah blah, we have got to get them out of here.

You shouldnt get rid of aim assist, maybe tweak it a little, but its part of shooting mechanics deal with it!!

However strafing still need to be viable, as a tactic, but what a lot of people who are over complaining about aim assist is some thing I like to call the texan 2 step, moving left and right in 20cm area meant you could dodge a large majority of rounds, but it doesnt work anymore and there just bitter!

Skill is more than having quick fingers, and that is what this current state of affairs are getting some people to think about!!

No youre telling me the texan 2 step took skill? Really? Shakimg the left stick was all it took!!



We are mad bc the computer aims for you?? Giving you a kill your not good enough to get? Yes......

halo1pc

Heres a link of a video of me back in the day that illustrates strafeing very well, pay close attention to how you had to lead your target as you could not hit square on when a target moved. Ps no aim assist in this game...... So aim assist is not part of ALL shooters.

The computer doesnt aim for you or for me, texan 2 steping only worked because hit detection didnt work, if the guy isnt good enough to get the kill aim assist isnt gonna get the kill for him!

However the assult rifle ttk is now so low, you can just keep going and it'll kill them before your mag is out!! Thats were the problem is!!

Source? Or are you just so awesome that you can speak for CCP without being CCP semperfi?

I agree, if your in the open and come under fire you're not going to stand there and fire back, you're going to jump or run sideways and find cover. But while jumping or running your aim will be s***.

And I am fine with that. It makes sense. I can still run and shoot, but my chance of hitting anything is down to spray and pray. What I don't like is the guy who jumps up and down, left and right, like a jack russel f***ing terrier while hitting me in the head with pinpoint accuracy the whole time. That is stupid.

Let me restate, so that Semperfi doesn't get his panties in a twist again, I am answering the OP's question of "why do people hate bunny hopping / left and right strafing" not if I think DUST should remove them (I wish, but that's a different discussion). I hate it because it's stupid, unrealistic, and I wish I could bombard it from orbit.

I u/s thats your opinion regarding what you wish CCP to do. But stating you dislike it because its "unrealistic".........if you have to start arguing "realism" in a video game you have already lost the argument unless its a game that is meant to be simulator....which dust is not.

Just because a game is not a simulator doesn't mean it can't have some semblance of realism.

I agree with some of the points you've made in this thread semperfi (surprisingly) related to how the aim assist makes it difficult to not hit your target and takes minimal effort. However the above point I find to be very flawed.

Ah but it does have some semblance of realism in other aspects...just not this one. Like I said I understand personal opinion and thats fine that he can choose not to like this ability. However at the same this game was simply never made to be a tactical shooter in that there is cover to use and moving tactics need to be employed. This game was meant to be more of a in your face high TTK tracking shooter with alot of loadout possibilities based on that players preference.

Regarding other things mentioned I am ok with getting lower accuracy when strafing and other things like that. But honestly CCP has proven that they really dont have a vision anymore for this game....which is also why I believe they are going to be the first turn based FPS tab shooter. Its the next step with what they have done so far.

At least you recognized that ADHD strafing and bunny hopping are in the same category. I don't like them because they are more twitched than tactical, and most shooters I play do not have those elements in there, in fact pc shooters don't have those elements in there because the kbm nullifies them, you only see them with ds3s because of the lag/control scheme.

I like the whole high TTK thing as well as the tracking, but why can that not incorporate some tactical elements?

nothing in the history of military warfare was ever designed to get shot at outside of two things, Decoys, and Practice Targets.

There are plenty of tactical aspects to the game, but not being able out of cover for less than two seconds, wasn't and should be one of them!!

Yea um if you want you can go back through the forums during closed beta. I have no reason to do this and I could care less if you believe me or not. The fact that Dust has special MAG tribute suits doesnt mean anything of course......

You're right! No tank has ever been designed to survive multiple hits from enemy weapons!

Why are strafing and bunny hopping bad?

Why is aim assist so strong?

This is not spam, just questions to see the opinions of those in this debate?

because bunny hopping in combat is silly and in RL anyone bunny hopping instead of using cover is probably gonna get one in the head.