If you want to try to justify that bunny hopping is a futuristic viable tactic I will have you say you're absolutely wrong.

Behold the IRL Aimbot

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/product-hero-660x371.jpg

Comes with GPS, ballistics programming, windage, range finder, and aim correction.

I don't see any technological advantages for weaving through a hail of bullets or helping out bunny hopping.

As I said in another thread, nothing in the history of military warfare was ever designed to get shot at outside of two things, Decoys, and Practice Targets.

IWS your an idiot go away from the adults in this conversation. Noone is arguing that in the future soldiers will be bunny hopping through a battlefield. If anything those who are arguing for strafe/bunnyhopping are stating the RL does not play a role in this game. I play games to have fun and do things I cant do in RL. This game was never meant to be realistic (if it was then CCP missed their goal for this game even worse than I initially thought). What used to be fun about this game was the higher TTK with high strafe speeds forcing skilled gungame battles....until CCP ruined what little gungame they did have (uprising). Now gungame consists of letting the AA keep your aim on target for kills.

I like the whole high TTK thing as well as the tracking, but why can that not incorporate some tactical elements?

halo1pc

Heres a link of a video of me back in the day that illustrates strafeing very well, pay close attention to how you had to lead your target as you could not hit square on when a target moved. Ps no aim assist in this game...... So aim assist is not part of ALL shooters.

erm all that shows is that you have to lead your targets, just means the pistol in halo wasn't hit scan. That or you are just adjusting for lag compensation, not shooting ahead because you are strafing.

Those were only done to appease us since we were the largest portion of the community outside of Eve purists. I was there for the closed beta and anyone that wasn't in your little elitist circlejerk was shouted down and ridiculed, now here we are in commercial release and ideas that were brought up then keep getting brought up (and in some cases implemented).

You mad that you and your little elitist friends are losing to the flood of "worst players ever"? Is that why you stick around and do what you can to ruin things?

because bunny hopping in combat is silly and in RL anyone bunny hopping instead of using cover is probably gonna get one in the head.

Hi

http://www.halopedia.org/Aim-Assist

BTW these numbers are not official they're reversed engineered.

IWS your an idiot go away from the adults in this conversation. Noone is arguing that in the future soldiers will be bunny hopping through a battlefield. If anything those who are arguing for strafe/bunnyhopping are stating the RL does not play a role in this game. I play games to have fun and do things I cant do in RL. This game was never meant to be realistic (if it was then CCP missed their goal for this game even worse than I initially thought). What used to be fun about this game was the higher TTK with high strafe speeds forcing skilled gungame battles....until CCP ruined what little gungame they did have (uprising). Now gungame consists of letting the AA keep your aim on target for kills.

Really the real life argument again? In a video game? ROFL this just cracks me up. In RL we also cant be shot multiple times and survive so I suggest that CCP make is so that 1-2 shots kill. Then this would have more realism!!

I also find it funny how mention this is a means of not doing things in real life.
After some quick reflection, where I used to work in the military staffing and bunny hopping can save your life there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c0lfwxRpj0

Had one snap on me went through 12 birds, 1 tactor and 2 people back in 2007 on the Kitty Hawk. striketron 102 lost their bird, one officer got fired.

We are not trying to be make this a WWII military shooter. We are trying to be realistic in both basics and according to the lore. You cannot discredit something like that because it doesn't fit the same exact mold as something else.

Ouch that is pretty serious. I know those cables are huge but man the amount of power they must have if 1 cable caused that much dmg. Crazy....

Actually in truth if you want to argue...."according to lore" there should be no bunny hopping/strafing......

What do you think would happen to a person psychologically if they suddenly become immortal and are constantly fighting all of the time. You think they would honestly care very much for their own "lives". No battlefields would be choked full of people just throwing their "bodies" at one another and trying to take out as many as possible before dying and reanimating to start again.

Tactics are done simply because people are fragile and die easily so in order to be the most effective and lose the least number of lives on your end tactics are needed because 1-2 shots will do you in. But if there was a way to be immortal then battle would no longer employ the same tactics....there would be more rushes and different thoughts on what to do to inflict the highest number of casualties on the other side so that they run out of backup clones faster thus giving you free reign over that territory.

This is getting fun to watch! So IWS what's your opinion on the shorter TTKs?

Clones cost money and you only have a certain number. That's why you can't just kill them willy-nilly.

Yes because Dust has been such a resounding success since they started listening more to the flood of "worst players ever" instead of listening to the competitive gamers who actually know a thing or two about FPS games.

Please spare me. You all act like this game is succeeding. CCP themselves admitted the game is failing and they are attempting to correct some of that but honestly its probably too little too late.

Bunny hopping and strafing make sense because this isn't real life, its way in the future in space. Think about your character he is an essentially immortal soldier who is constantly learning from every kill and death. The longer he is on the battle field, he gets extra practice with his weapon. I'm pretty sure that after thousands upon thousands of kills and deaths these soldiers have gained the experience and practice to be able to accurately maintain aim while strafing or even bunny hopping. Not to mention the fact that their dropsuits and weapons are so advanced that they would have their own built in mechanisms to improve aim and reduce recoil. Especially since there are sniper rifles today capable of self compensating for wind, elevation, etc to make the perfect shot.

I haven't stated that the game is or isn't succeeding, though I will say that I like most of the things about 1.4 (bear in mind I said "most"). I sincerely hope that CCP is able to turn things around while including the opinions of the entire community, however there are some here that only want their segment of the community to be heard (i.e. the "competitive elite" which by definition needs to be viewed as being a very small portion of the community).

On the upside, I do agree with you about the different tactics that immortality would allow from a lore perspective.

Learning from every battle doesn't mean that they are going to start doing the harlem shake while trying to dunk like Jordan on the battlefield.

It is inane to assume that "thousands upon thousands of kills and deaths" would lead to this.

tl;dr: IT IS A BATTLEFIELD NOT A DANCEHALL OR BASKETBALL COURT

Are you serioulsy bringing in RL examples to a fictional game set 15 million years in the future? Tell me your not because it sounds like you are and if you are then that just shows how much of an idiot you are.

If you want a realistic military shooter go play Arma and crawl your way to the objective for 2 hours. Have fun. This is not a realistic based military shooter. It was meant to be a tracking shooter that was Haloesque in many ways yet CCP completely failed and ended up making a bad lobby shooter. You say its a laughably bad tactic....those who consider it a bad tactic are those who could not do it or deal with it themselves.

BTW you obviously have not seen deathmatch on Halflife 1 if you consider this game to be strafy and bunnyhoppy......

Fair enough, but what about the dropsuits and weapons from thousands of years in the future? They would have less recoil, they have the ability to flip over LAVs. I know that I can't just flip over a jeep, So its safe to say that these suits and weapons have some built in mechanism to increase strength, vision, focus etc.