Why are strafing and bunny hooping bad?

Why is aim assist so strong?

This is not spam, just questions to see the opinions of those in this debate?

No, its not because I can't aim (I can aim pretty well), but because they make no f***ing sense.

Go play paintball and tell me how well you do while bunny hopping / side strafing. If it's such an "pro" topic in infantry tactics then why don't our Seals, or Rangers, or Force Recon guys jump up and down and side to side like idiots while taking fire? You know why, because while it may make you (slightly) harder to hit your aim become absolute s***.

So that is why. Not because I can't aim, not because I am not pro, but because it is such a laughably bad tactic that it has no place in any sort of realistic military shooter.

For the record, I don't hate Halo (and I've never played MAG, unfortunately). But I don't consider Halo to be realistically themed. I do consider DUST to be realistically themed. Why, because it's a CCP game. They try to make everything in the game have a realistic reason; down to the third person view of your ship in EVE (camera drones). So I except DUST to be more realistic than Halo (which is far from realistic), hence my frustration.

Bunny hopping is bad bc it gets you killed, jumping targets are easy to hit bc you can easily predict their movement, on the other hand strafeing is bad because it makes me hard to kill and most of these eve nerds have never had to move that way and they suck at it, bc its harder to hit that unpredictable movement, always strafe, always move, and never in a pattern, the reason they want strafe speed turned down the same reason they want aim assist turned up because they can't shoot. Its the same reason eve players have been ruining this game via their position on the cpm from day 1, you mercs gt to realize that much of the influence to ccp comes from people that suck at shooting. These are spread sheet nerds that have been sitting in virtual ships for 10 years and didn't come up through the ranks of doom, quake, halo, bf, cod, and the rest they just leached over here from eve bc they were big eve players, and like the useless space parasites they are they are sucking the skill out of shooting, by saying things like they move to fast side to side I can't hit them, and give us aim assist, blah blah blah, we have got to get them out of here.

No youre telling me the texan 2 step took skill? Really? Shakimg the left stick was all it took!!



We are mad bc the computer aims for you?? Giving you a kill your not good enough to get? Yes......

I like the whole high TTK thing as well as the tracking, but why can that not incorporate some tactical elements?

Saying strafing is bad is basically like saying Scouts dont belong in this game.

Medium Frame 514.

No.

Hes telling me to play a Scout in a Scout suit when the game doesn't properly support it.

He thinks you can do it, but its much more effective to play aggressivly as a Scout, you're worthless to the team if you're not.

Some Food for thought the AR's RoF is 12.5 Rounds per second, and basic AR's (no skill) do around 30 Dam an Duv with Prof 5 and 2 complex damage mods is around 51 dam per bullet

Duv base damage 37.5 * 1.15(Prof 5) * 1.17 (complex dam mods) = 50.456 dam

So it's pretty powerful even at base
31 * 12 bullets in 1 second thats 372 Hit points, more than a Breach MD direct hit, more than a light blaster turret in the same period of time, more than plenty of other things in one SECOND!

Cut down range, increase Dispersion and kick or cut down damage I like the former Because it makes the AR a CQC weapon, and the AScR more of a ranged weapon.

Slightly reduce the LR and AScR dam and you'll be pretty well off.

But it would force the AR to be like a SMG where it excels in CQC but isn't as good outside of it's range

Bunny Hopping= paint ball tactics same with strafing. This is a space war game so ccp fixed the aiming and made as it should be. No more paintball tactics. Your either behind cover or dead.

I agree SO much. Aiming back at someone while you are jumping should be nearly impossible.

As others have said, strafing and bunny hopping look stupid and make no sense whatsoever. The only reason they ever worked on this game was because hit detection was bad. No real soldier would bunny hop or strafe from side to side under fire, because hit detection works in real life. In that respect the game has made a big step forward; get used to it.

Aim assist doesn't really have much to do with strafing or bunny hoping. They wouldn't be good tactics now even without aim assist, due to the improved hit detection.

NO! Don't you dare remove my scout suits!

Yes we are suffering but I plan to make them work regardless!

I tell you, I'm losing isk left and right running proto light suits but I am having fun so what!

You're asking us to be Scouts when playing agressivly is far more rewarding than trying to fill a role another spec could do better.

A Logi/Assault with the Scanner fills the role better, they've got more tank, more slots, more PG/CPU, and in the Logi's case, more Equipment slots.

Whats the point of fielding a Scout with an Active Scanner? They go down quicker, the speed difference is so minimal that the medium's tank and ability to fit Proto Weaponry and Proto Equip, makes it a better suit for the job.

I would be Scouting, if the game would let me, but right now its not possible, because its not supported, when I go Shotgunning I'm not trying to close large gaps across an open terrain, I stick to CQC areas and try get the jump on an enemy when possible.

The game doesn't reward you for Passive Scanning, not even Active Scanning, and the fact that I have to sacrifice my biotics, which I basically survive on, to fit a decent scan on a Scout is ridiculous.

There is one thing the game does reward you for doing, and thats killing.

Ask any Corp, if they had the choice, which would they pick;

Minmatar Proto Logi - Biotic Tanked (25% Hack increase, you cant imagine how useful this is in PC battles, more tank, more EQ)

Minmatar Proto Scout - Speed Tanked (Slightly more speed / Stamina, paper thin shield, 1 EQ, 25% Nova Knife damage increase, less Dropsuit Sig)

I bet, majority of serious corps, would pick the Logi.

Yes we are....

Back to topic. Increased strafing and "bunnyhopping" (there truly is no bunnyhopping in the true sense of the term in Dust) are what made this game good before Dust began its continuous decline into ineptitude.

Try chop strafing aga-

Redberry (Aim-Assisted Militia Assault Rifle) Cosgar

How many maps in this game have enough cover for that? You're going to get caught out in the open at some point.

Having to pay for your suits is hardcore enough, but when I'm using an expensive logi suit to support my squad, but can get gunned down at a moment's notice due to an aim-assisted, bullet bending, fully auto sniper rifle, there's no point.

If you're so hardcore, then go play scout and really put your balls on the line and see how broken this new patch is. I think I'm going to go play CoD to brush up on my twitch skills.

Cover is what you make of it there are areas in this game that some concider open but in fact there are hills to take cover behind, cover is not always a chest high create anything you can put between you and the hostiles bullets is cover of course are are times when one will get caught in open thats why one should avoid open areas as if its the plague and if you find you self in such a situation it is best to make your self a hard target to hit and if there is cover in run for your life range run if not open fire to try and suppress the enemy into cover so he cant shoot back if you can supress a enemy your squad can advance over open terrain its risky but doable.

See your confusing tactical shooter with using tactics.....

Even twitch shooters use tactics...they are just different. Look up tactical shooters........this is not a tactical shooter. This is a shooter that can use tactics like any other PvP game but just because you can use tactics that doesnt mean its a tactical shooter.

There is no tank user that would willingly use their 1.5-2 mill isk tank as a rolling point of cover for the infantry.

Yeah they still stop that immediately if there is even 1 person on the opposite team with proto swarms.....they pretty much insta pop tanks.