As we should all know by now, AV and vehicals are going to be changed in 1.5 and most likely 1.6 and will be changed completly. as evident in this post:


So, im going to go through the whole list of AV weapons in different threads and try to collect a non biased collection of feedback the Devs can use to change vehicals and AV. So remember, what we post here is what they may listen to. Lets start with AV nades. What are your guys thoughts?

Personally, i find these weapons too versitle and easy to use because you get 3 of them, they hone in your targets, do a massive amount of damage (av naders can bring high passive resist shield tanks down to half shields in 3 throws) and do not require line of sight to destroy vehicals (can throw over cover plus hone in, no acuracy required). They are also effective land mines, and one person can solo a tank with a nano hive. Also, they do not penalize the user in fitting or combat efficiency too much cuz their jus grenades, and you can get proto AV nades by jus specing grenader, there should prolly be a skill for AV nades, locus and flux grenades, seperatly

thats my input, feel free to correct or add on your thoughts but whatever you say, SAY WHY!! We want to give good reasoning behind our oppinions

Seriously leave the AV nades the **** alone
They absolutely need the the damage otherwise there would be very little to deter vehicle players and Ill use the murder taxi problem as an example, before people specced into better AV options you would see the trucks just going back and forth feeling completely safe but now that there is more danger to them out in the field they try to hit and run or get blown up

Same thing with tanks, how often in the past have you seen one park next to a CRU to rack up kills
With the grenades high spike damage it at the very least scares him off since now he knows there is danger


Now as for homing its really not as good as you think it is, more often than not for the homing to be effective, especially with a packed grenade since those have a much shorter homing range, your throw would already have to be dead on
On top of that theres a delay between throwing, homing activation, and the explosion so youll end up having grenades bounce off a vehicles hull before the homing actually kicks in and the thing explodes



Now I know the likely counter argument is "They arent a primary blah blah blah" and thats right they arent, even with the high spike damage you have limited ammo, limited range, and the scenario of 'People just throw down hives and spam them" only works if the vehicle driver is a complete dunce and is sitting stone still



So yeah, summary time
Viable deterrent option that is perfect as is since it carries enough limitations to counter the spike damage and the only ones that it will constantly be deadly to are bad drivers

He wont be happy until his little toy is indestructible, every post Ive seen of his relating to AV and vehicle balance is just crying for them to be nerfed into uselessness

The only vehicles they can solo under normal circumstances are LAVs and even then you need the footwork of a matador on *******
The only tanks getting blown up solely by AV nades are ones that are being badly driven and most drivers rather than working on their driving skills demand instead that they should be able to survive driving into the middle of a squad and have no harm come to them

Seriously leave the AV nades the **** alone
They absolutely need the the damage otherwise there would be very little to deter vehicle players and Ill use the murder taxi problem as an example, before people specced into better AV options you would see the trucks just going back and forth feeling completely safe but now that there is more danger to them out in the field they try to hit and run or get blown up

Same thing with tanks, how often in the past have you seen one park next to a CRU to rack up kills
With the grenades high spike damage it at the very least scares him off since now he knows there is danger


Now as for homing its really not as good as you think it is, more often than not for the homing to be effective, especially with a packed grenade since those have a much shorter homing range, your throw would already have to be dead on
On top of that theres a delay between throwing, homing activation, and the explosion so youll end up having grenades bounce off a vehicles hull before the homing actually kicks in and the thing explodes



Now I know the likely counter argument is "They arent a primary blah blah blah" and thats right they arent, even with the high spike damage you have limited ammo, limited range, and the scenario of 'People just throw down hives and spam them" only works if the vehicle driver is a complete dunce and is sitting stone still



So yeah, summary time
Viable deterrent option that is perfect as is since it carries enough limitations to counter the spike damage and the only ones that it will constantly be deadly to are bad drivers

Oh no really half of your HP in 5 whole seconds? Now tell me again how many fractions of a second it takes for a tank to kill infantry
And last I checked you dont spawn in already sitting inside your tin can and you sacrifice absolutely nothing while driving a tank

"Waaah we cant fight outside our tanks"
You have free dropsuits dont you and havent I seen you telling new people to just squad up and run with a group to be effective if you only have low level gear? ******* hypocrite, cry some more

Show me where I said tanking takes no skill
Better yet find all the instances of me saying that tankers that constantly get blown up are the ones that have no skill and need to improve cause theres a lot of that

maybe New Eden isnt the place for me and farmville would be more my speed since im an idiot scrub that thinks this game should be like call of duty speed

You know thats exactly it, Im upset because it takes no skill to kill you
Avoiding the fire of something that can kill me in a fraction of a second, no skill
Sneaking up on that enemy to use a weapon with a limited range, no skill
Defeating that enemy using a weapon with very limited ammo and that is weak against the enemies first layer of defense while being well within that enemies kill zone, no skill
Mocking a mental deficient (you) when he gets upset his shiny little toy gets broken, absolutely zero skill

And all that upsets me