If you kick sammus420 out of goonfeet, maybe the attacks from us would stop.

Does it matter?

The terms of anything you guys come up with aren't followed by your alliance members.

I'm not trying to flame there either. Just stating the obvious.

Not sure about point 1 what about small alliance that just want to have fun??

Points 2 yes but point 3, at which point do you become established and experienced??

What would you class as experience? Corps with vets classed as experienced? The amount of battles played in PC??
You find find it hard to find a corp that doesn't have a veteran beta player in it and how will you decide the maximum amount of battles needed to then be classed as Experienced?

Corps that are established??
any corp willing, with enough players and ISK, to enter PC are already established.

How about restricting them to X amount of districts? if for example you take more than 3 districts you leave the "indie corp" status and are open to attack from anyone?
This to me would make more sence then classifiying them Experienced or Established as there is too much of a grey area with it.

But it could work both ways for example if you have more than X amount of districts and then dont want to be in the battle with bigger corps anymore you could give districts away and be reclassed as an "Indie corp"

You could also do it by player count per corp but that i dont think would work aswell as there are many noob corps with large numbers that can't compete at the higher level but still want to play in PC.



yes i agree in many ways but these terms are for the community, there should be something about ringers also, somthing like you can only have ringers from other "Indie corps"

Does it matter?

The terms of anything you guys come up with aren't followed by your alliance members.

I'm not trying to flame there either. Just stating the obvious.

Not sure about point 1 what about small alliance that just want to have fun??

Points 2 yes but point 3, at which point do you become established and experienced??

What would you class as experience? Corps with vets classed as experienced? The amount of battles played in PC??
You find find it hard to find a corp that doesn't have a veteran beta player in it and how will you decide the maximum amount of battles needed to then be classed as Experienced?

Corps that are established??
any corp willing, with enough players and ISK, to enter PC are already established.

How about restricting them to X amount of districts? if for example you take more than 3 districts you leave the "indie corp" status and are open to attack from anyone?
This to me would make more sence then classifiying them Experienced or Established as there is too much of a grey area with it.

But it could work both ways for example if you have more than X amount of districts and then dont want to be in the battle with bigger corps anymore you could give districts away and be reclassed as an "Indie corp"

You could also do it by player count per corp but that i dont think would work aswell as there are many noob corps with large numbers that can't compete at the higher level but still want to play in PC.



yes i agree in many ways but these terms are for the community, there should be something about ringers also, somthing like you can only have ringers from other "Indie corps"

1st, and I always thought

indie = corp with no alliance.

or a corp that works alone.

Bold and underlined areas pure genius, i feel these are the areas that the terms should be based around.

actually I think it does. Lets face it, eon has the corps with the numbers to attack anyone. many of you see that some do this regardless of what is said or planned, hence this attitude.

If we can get a contingent on what this supposed separation of corps we all want in place, then perhaps we can finally sort things and truly separate these 'indie' corps from the rest and lots more good fights will ensue

yes i agree in many ways but these terms are for the community, there should be something about ringers also, somthing like you can only have ringers from other "Indie corps"

We are largely done with PC.

You guys talk like you are the good guys here. You have the right and the ability to attack anyone you like.

You told us you were attacking because you wanted to fight everyone in our alliance.

You attacked until you took a district. That's fine, because you can.

But that's certainly not what you stated you were doing.

So you lose credibility. And we aren't the only ones. I'm sure all these Indy corps that sent you money for districts love that you can't control the terms of your sale.

Everybody knows that you and Outer Heaven are the top corps out there right now. But what fun is it to wipe everyone out of PC?

Radar gets on here talking like he's a good guy too and they don't stop until they've taken all your districts.

I just don't understand what there is left to prove. If you and your peeps don't allow some breathing room for the rest of Dust then the game is going to shrivel up and die. It could take CCP six months to get some more content in here.

I'm sick and tired of getting my ass kicked by you guys. I'd rather fight guys that are on our level and get better. But we can't.

Hell there are a lot of corps in Eon that aren't getting any better because they aren't able to fend for themselves. At the first sign of weakness they call in the big dogs.

These aren't tears either. Because I'm past giving a **** about PC. But I would like to have some interesting fights from time to time and that doesn't happen 99% of the time in pubs. So WTF is left to do?

I respect what you guys have done. It is/was impressive. But if you guys don't back off you will be the kings of a shitpile.

We are largely done with PC.

You guys talk like you are the good guys here. You have the right and the ability to attack anyone you like.

You told us you were attacking because you wanted to fight everyone in our alliance.

You attacked until you took a district. That's fine, because you can.

But that's certainly not what you stated you were doing.

So you lose credibility. And we aren't the only ones. I'm sure all these Indy corps that sent you money for districts love that you can't control the terms of your sale.

Everybody knows that you and Outer Heaven are the top corps out there right now. But what fun is it to wipe everyone out of PC?

Radar gets on here talking like he's a good guy too and they don't stop until they've taken all your districts.

I just don't understand what there is left to prove. If you and your peeps don't allow some breathing room for the rest of Dust then the game is going to shrivel up and die. It could take CCP six months to get some more content in here.

I'm sick and tired of getting my ass kicked by you guys. I'd rather fight guys that are on our level and get better. But we can't.

Hell there are a lot of corps in Eon that aren't getting any better because they aren't able to fend for themselves. At the first sign of weakness they call in the big dogs.

These aren't tears either. Because I'm past giving a **** about PC. But I would like to have some interesting fights from time to time and that doesn't happen 99% of the time in pubs. So WTF is left to do?

I respect what you guys have done. It is/was impressive. But if you guys don't back off you will be the kings of a shitpile.

the little guy, right?

so, we are looking at a alliance-less, smaller-in-numbers, little to no exp in PC corp, right?

'indie' = independant is wut i assumed b4 reading this. but......ok

btw, still wanting to pick your brain for a few minutes, cubs.

this was the original definition I used, yes.

what we now see is not necessarily that case, which is why we are discussing it openly to hopefully gain a contingent on it

1st, and I always thought

indie = corp with no alliance.

or a corp that works alone.

sorry.. my definition of 'attack' includes taking land. I 'attacked' you once, and took that district. at the time you had 6 others.

u got stomped? sorry, guess im the bad guy cause I have a group of players that wants to fight. I don't care how you see me honestly. I have had 3 PC matches in the last week, all but 1 were defenses. My guys are getting bored and simply want to play. I have kept them out of all this ringing crap for the most part, but at the same time cant stop them from doing things on their own, nor would I.

I DO agree with you tho that just taking out everyone does more harm than good, hence TRYING to have a PRODUCTIVE discussion to help stimulate the PC community and maybe even sorting some things out

Good ole fashion logic on display here, folks. To me, the term "indie" is a shortened version of the word "independent" and I agree with Vethosis.

Why bother complicating things any further? No matter how big or small, if a corp goes it alone then they are "indie" imho.

Note that, as I think having an alliance or not is a bad requirement, I'd argue the term "indie" just needs to outright die. Tier off corps by their performance. Top Tier, Mid Tier, Low Tier. Done.

And I like it that you are trying to have a discussion. I understand that your guys want to fight.

The system that you have in place is a smart one. Take peoples district then eventually sell it back to them one way or another. Rinse and repeat.

Again I respect and understand it. Kudos for being able to pull it off.

Where does it leave a corp like us? One that's held territory and been able to beat some worthy opponents. If it wasn't for KEQ attacking us everyday the district would have already been taken by Outer Heaven. We are barely hanging on.

The terms of the treaty was supposed to allow us to go to a planet with other LoI corps and rebuild. Which would have been good for you guys long term as we may have been able to provide some decent fights. None of these terms were ever remotely honored. They were over before the ink was dry.

Exemplars, New Eden's Most Wanted, Dios Ex and SeVeN are all part of the same alliance, and owned a whole planet, I think if you're in an alliance that owns that many districts, you immediately lose the 'Indie' tag.

They're only using the Indie tag as protection so they can farm, the only corp that I've seen openly participate in attacks from that Alliance is SeVeN.

C'mon, if you're a part of an Alliance (That has 1289 members, 12 Corps) that not only owns a load of district, but a whole freakin' planet, how can you still classify yourself as an indie?

Two problems with this: First, as mentioned, "indie" is a poor label outright, for reasons this thread has made clear. Second, we bought the entire planet, wholesale, extremely cheaply. (Any tiny indy group can do this, alliance or no alliance.) We did it largely because we figured we'd have some such big power come attack us sooner or later (ended up being sooner), and were hoping having the extraneous districts would draw out the event, so we could get more practice. Unfortunately, we weren't expecting like three major powers to come simultaneously hit us on the same day.

Thankfully, I feel our alliance has risen to the occasion, as we haven't no-showed a single fight, even though we're facing between 5 and 10 fights a day with a very small number of participating players that can actually field proto gear.



We were working on coordinating some attacks before a bunch of EoN and Zion ringers as well as the ROFL alliance all attacked us simultaneously. We're sorry we can't handle more than the ten fights per night we've demonstrated we can handle.



With probably about 600 of which not playing, at all. (Goons are busy waging war in EVE, and some of our corps don't purge inactives often enough. Game is dying and such.) And a lot of the rest have low SP.

well by that definition there are literally 2 or 3 corps that could be considered that...

maybe

I agree the 'indie' name just needs to go, which is why we're trying to sort out what it should be and who should be included.

if we abolish all labels, the landscape will be much less diverse in a matter of days...

which is why I keep TRYING to get some sort of understanding amongst everyone regarding the distinction

One of the options with a three tier distinction would be the ability for a corp to fall back down, but not all the way. For instance:

Low Tier: New, inexperienced, entering PC. Once you leave low tier, you aren't coming back.

Mid Tier: Stable, less competitive. As a corp or alliance, capable of fielding full teams, and winning against other midtier corps. Collapsed top tier alliances and corps might also now be classed here.

Top Tier: Those who would pubstomp any Mid Tier or Low Tier corps or alliances they attacked. Highly competitive, large territory is likely or possible.

i dont mind being a low tier now, as i will eventually pull my corp into mid tier. its just that all i see here is another way to label the 'not-so-good players/corps as scrubs or wutever other lingo us gamers use.

Hmm... I think low tier corps should be given free space when available, mid tiers should pay for it. Once you're stable, you shouldn't need charity, and if you need to buy in again, you should be able to raise the funds.

One of my big peeves with the existing/previous concept: I think regardless of whether a current match is attack or defense, if a corp initiates hostilities within it's own tier, it can't ring people from a higher tier. (For instance, if mid tier Corp A attacks mid tier Corp B, and Corp B retaliates, Corp A can't ring a top tier for defense. Reap what you sow, and such. Let the fight play out.)

There really shouldn't be any restrictions on "ringing" if it's within groups among your own tier. Everyone should be able to fill a 16-man team, even if that means calling in another corp to help.

just playing pubs I make over 20m a week.. just ME, and I don't play nearly as much as I did.

Ive gotten to the point where I believe its time that us among landowners and active participants in PC to sit down and make a hard definition of 'indie' as this has several definitions currently and lots of people are abusing the term and using it to ring, hold land, attack so and so, etc etc.




ANY corp that calls themselves 'indie' MUST have personnel to wage a battle.

ANY corp that is established and experienced cannot fall under this 'Indie' label
example: 187, Pro Hic (were independent before), STB, and many others.

ANY corp that acquires a preset # of districts is no longer considered 'indie' 3 is the current # still up for discussion

*removed* alliance membership being a factor

the entire premise of the term 'indie' is for the little guy... the corp that is up and coming, building up their roster and bottom line are at an SP and experience level much lower than the veteran corps.

I now open the floor for discussion. I will edit the OP as we agree on parts of the definition

Rogatien Merc:

New Eden's Most Wanted is 33 players, with never more than 6 or 7 online at the same time, and you place us on the same pedestal as Molon Labe.? I mean, we're making progress, I'm proud of our team. B

Realistically, in New Eden, there should not be any special considerations given to anyone, everyone should torch everyone else, and such and such. Sandbox. The problem is, unlike EVE, DUST has a sandbox with no sand, that we've all roughly figured out becomes no fun if we use it as intended.

This discussion shouldn't be necessary. But it is. Because CCP sucks.

One of the options with a three tier distinction would be the ability for a corp to fall back down, but not all the way. For instance:

Low Tier: New, inexperienced, entering PC. Once you leave low tier, you aren't coming back.

Mid Tier: Stable, less competitive. As a corp or alliance, capable of fielding full teams, and winning against other midtier corps. Collapsed top tier alliances and corps might also now be classed here.

Top Tier: Those who would pubstomp any Mid Tier or Low Tier corps or alliances they attacked. Highly competitive, large territory is likely or possible.

If you only have 6 or 7 online at the same time, why would you ever think you can hold a district? You shouldn't even be in PC if you can't field even half a team for any of your battles. I have a lot of respect for S.e.V.e.N. for fielding most of their own players. And I understand needing help every once in a while, it's unavoidable.

But if you need over half a team of fill-ins every battle that should be a hint that you don't belong in PC.

Hell there are a lot of corps in Eon that aren't getting any better because they aren't able to fend for themselves. At the first sign of weakness they call in the big dogs.

These aren't tears either. Because I'm past giving a **** about PC. But I would like to have some interesting fights from time to time and that doesn't happen 99% of the time in pubs. So WTF is left to do?

I respect what you guys have done. It is/was impressive. But if you guys don't back off you will be the kings of a shitpile.

If you only have 6 or 7 online at the same time, why would you ever think you can hold a district? You shouldn't even be in PC if you can't field even half a team for any of your battles. I have a lot of respect for S.e.V.e.N. for fielding most of their own players. And I understand needing help every once in a while, it's unavoidable.

But if you need over half a team of fill-ins every battle that should be a hint that you don't belong in PC.

If you only have 6 or 7 online at the same time, why would you ever think you can hold a district? You shouldn't even be in PC if you can't field even half a team for any of your battles. I have a lot of respect for S.e.V.e.N. for fielding most of their own players. And I understand needing help every once in a while, it's unavoidable.

But if you need over half a team of fill-ins every battle that should be a hint that you don't belong in PC.

If you only have 6 or 7 online at the same time, why would you ever think you can hold a district? You shouldn't even be in PC if you can't field even half a team for any of your battles. I have a lot of respect for S.e.V.e.N. for fielding most of their own players. And I understand needing help every once in a while, it's unavoidable.

But if you need over half a team of fill-ins every battle that should be a hint that you don't belong in PC.

If you only have 6 or 7 online at the same time, why would you ever think you can hold a district? You shouldn't even be in PC if you can't field even half a team for any of your battles. I have a lot of respect for S.e.V.e.N. for fielding most of their own players. And I understand needing help every once in a while, it's unavoidable.

But if you need over half a team of fill-ins every battle that should be a hint that you don't belong in PC.

They're not fill-ins, we function as an alliance. The alliance is "our own players". We took the planet as an alliance, and spread out the districts across the most active corps. (While small, active NEMW players make an extremely strong showing in PC.) But to some how call out our 33-man corp specifically as equivalent to Molon Labe. is outright absurd. In terms of geared, experienced players... our entire alliance as a whole compared to their corp might be a more fair comparison.

(While small, active NEMW players make an extremely strong showing in PC

Personally, I don't take pride in attacking "low tier" corps because they may be redline matches and offer no learning experience and cause you to slack if real competition launches against you. I, don't even take pride in attacking a vet corp that would give us the same no experience. I feel that midtier and low tier corps shouldn't even ask for ringers from top tier corps. We can say that to tier corps shouldn't accept but if they are deciding to be mercs and a contract was issued.....it is really hard to argue with that.

Then again it is the issue of players wanting fights and there aren't that many corps out that can give an enjoyable fight to some of the top tier corps. Don't have an answer for that about other corps. For us, I will say that if RND launches an attack on a low/mid tier corp......it won't be for the district. It will be a win/win because we'll get the ISK payout and they will get experience and to keep their district.

They're not fill-ins, we function as an alliance. The alliance is "our own players". We took the planet as an alliance, and spread out the districts across the most active corps. (While small, active NEMW players make an extremely strong showing in PC.) But to some how call out our 33-man corp specifically as equivalent to Molon Labe. is outright absurd. In terms of geared, experienced players... our entire alliance as a whole compared to their corp might be a more fair comparison.

So let's cut to the chase... with well-established corps like Molon Labe, New Eden's Most Wanted, and MSF wanting some sort of consideration... it is no longer about corps needing to become established or gain experience (5-10 matches a day is an indy corp apparently...).

It is about corps not being able to beat EoN. but still wanting to be involved in PC. They want a farm league that they can be moved down to from the majors. Farm leagues not only house new greenhorn players, but also older guys who may have been injured, replaced, or just lost their mojo.

Basically the community consensus Cubs, is that no corp in EoN. should attack anyone at all whatsoever period, and that no EoN. member should participate in any PC match period.

If that makes sense, wouldn't it make sense that your entire alliance should hold as much as Molon Labe? You guys do kind of hold a disproportionately large amount of land for "indie" corps.

They're not fill-ins, we function as an alliance. The alliance is "our own players". We took the planet as an alliance, and spread out the districts across the most active corps. (While small, active NEMW players make an extremely strong showing in PC.) But to some how call out our 33-man corp specifically as equivalent to Molon Labe. is outright absurd. In terms of geared, experienced players... our entire alliance as a whole compared to their corp might be a more fair comparison.

It was rough, I think we pulled through okay though.

We're well established? Sure we have been around for awhile but we still have a lot of work to do to pull our s hit together.

if this is the case, then why sign up for the 2nd largest planet in molden heath?

designate areas for various tiers?

I really love Planet Fight Club for corps that don't have a way to get fights otherwise. I honestly think until CCP makes a better game, we need to get more than 24 corps involved in that sort of system. If it was like... constellation fight club... if everyone had a guaranteed district to get the voluntary fights they want... I'd pretty much be cool with the rest of Molden Heath being "whatever dude".

Yes, you are. And again if the community consensus is that you are not, then like I said... this is all about EoN. corps and players not attacking or participating anywhere on the map but PFC.

Ive gotten to the point where I believe its time that us among landowners and active participants in PC to sit down and make a hard definition of 'indie' as this has several definitions currently and lots of people are abusing the term and using it to ring, hold land, attack so and so, etc etc.




ANY corp that calls themselves 'indie' MUST have personnel to wage a battle.

ANY corp that is established and experienced cannot fall under this 'Indie' label
example: 187, Pro Hic (were independent before), STB, and many others.

ANY corp that acquires a preset # of districts is no longer considered 'indie' 3 is the current # still up for discussion

*removed* alliance membership being a factor

the entire premise of the term 'indie' is for the little guy... the corp that is up and coming, building up their roster and bottom line are at an SP and experience level much lower than the veteran corps.

I now open the floor for discussion. I will edit the OP as we agree on parts of the definition

Ive gotten to the point where I believe its time that us among landowners and active participants in PC to sit down and make a hard definition of 'indie' as this has several definitions currently and lots of people are abusing the term and using it to ring, hold land, attack so and so, etc etc.




ANY corp that calls themselves 'indie' MUST have personnel to wage a battle.

ANY corp that is established and experienced cannot fall under this 'Indie' label
example: 187, Pro Hic (were independent before), STB, and many others.

ANY corp that acquires a preset # of districts is no longer considered 'indie' 3 is the current # still up for discussion

*removed* alliance membership being a factor

the entire premise of the term 'indie' is for the little guy... the corp that is up and coming, building up their roster and bottom line are at an SP and experience level much lower than the veteran corps.

I now open the floor for discussion. I will edit the OP as we agree on parts of the definition

Can you explain why you think we're not a indie corp and well established

MSF is an established Corp. They have been around since closed beta with a variety of closed beta vets to green players with low SP/WP s. MSF is technically an "indie" Corp as there is no alliance and a true mercenary organization. Battlefield organization is not comparable to high end corps (team players, synergy, nyain San, etc) but will improve as more battles take place.

MSF would be placed in the mid range "tier" as they are better then corps that are just starting off and can compete with most established corps but possibly fall short of the top tier corps. After all, when we attacked synergy, we were rofl stomped. In the chromosome cup, we gave team players a good showing, but ultimately fell short.

Just my 2 isk, after all you guys know I still luvz you all ;)

Can you explain why you think we're not a indie corp and well established

Suggestion: independent status revoked if non-corp players exceeds 2 in any PC. Burden of proof incumbent upon petitioner.

Hired tankers may break the utility of this rule, but it's a start.

I like the idea of the tier system proposed. i think the tiers should be defined by the level of the players in their corp and how many they can field at one time. secondly we need to consider the power of their allies both registered and those they secretly hide behind. lastly to consider is the assets they have.

I think this is good, but it is difficult to maintain that without some sort of police force. The high tier corps would have to sign on in order for this to work as intended. And I doubt that will ever happen.

1st, and I always thought

indie = corp with no alliance.

or a corp that works alone.

Today MSF attacked dystopian Corp, after beating them the previous night, to find them yet again with only 5 of their Corp members (same as the previous night) and the rest STB. Right before the match started (in the war barge) dystopian member then proceeded to leave and more SVER came to tally a whopping 15 total.

Now I understand we are mercs etc etc BUT what is the purpose of this so called fight club, if corps who want to compete with other corps within their same "class" aren't even fighting the corps that own the district?

If MSF wanted to fight Sver, we would have attacked SVER not dystopian.

Also there are many implications to this system that are troublesome. Let me explain. If a Corp owns a district for X amount of time, clone reserves build up. An attacking Corp, who doesn't own a district, buys a clone pack that contains 100 max clones. If attacking Corp wins their match, they can attack again the next day with another clone pack. So to successfully take the district, the attacking Corp MUST grind down the clones day by day until they are depleted BUT in our example today, BIG CORP comes in defeating attacking corp which causes a lock out for 24 hrs before attacking Corp can launch again. Defending Corp receives 2 reinforcement timers tallying 160 clones at the very least. So you can see how this doesn't go well for the attacking Corp and ultimately becomes a massive waste of resources for them.

So if EON or whoever are going to continue trying to implement a continued "fight club" for the smaller corps, they will need to police what goes on. If an attacking Corp shows proof that a defending Corp is not participating in how this club is suppose to run, "Eon" needs to step in and remove the defending Corp from their district and Can then sell it off once acquired back into their hands.

Hold on...lol...4 dystopian members left the battle for STB on fightclub?? Fightclub is supposed to be fighting corps on that planet and not for ISK farming. You can farm ISK on your own districts outside of fightclub.

But to be honest, MSF, you aren't supposed to take the district from dystopia either. If you attacked them once and won on the fightclub planet, then you are supposed to leave them alone. If you want to fight them again, then you wait until their clones have accumulated and launch. So, if you guys were trying to take the district from dystopia, then I don't blame them for getting people to defend it for them.

So, BHD classifies as a sucky Corp, amirite?

So, BHD classifies as a sucky Corp, amirite?

Where would you classify BHD? I haven't seen you guys in battle much....just heard from forum talk about your ROFL fights and the Warriors video. So, if I had to guess....I would classify you guys as Medium Tier.

But this is one way to determine one's tier. If you are at a level, where you can beat the corps in a specific tier, then you are classified in a higher tier.

If you are in a tier where all or nearly all of the corps are dominating you, then you are in a lower tier.

Edit: but that's just considering skill. If your corp's members have been around and established with at least 10Msp, then your corp should be considered a vet corp.

We're the SVER OP newbs who spammed smoke grenades, something along those lines anyway.

Have only had that Warriors, supposedly 1 KEQ ( Chrome Btw), DBD, SI, 1 STB (I think) , and that's it

To me it looks like that the Eon. is the U.N. of Molden heath. That looks cool, but it must be a pain also because of how many people are asking for help and definitions.

I can remember some.

Chromosone

BHD Vs WSG (Wraith Shadow Guards), BHD Victory
BHD Vs Warriors, BHD Victory
BHD Vs KEQ, BHD Loss

Thats all I know of in Chrome.

Uprising

BHD Vs DBD, BHD Victory
BHD Vs DBD, BHD Loss
BHD Vs Maphia, BHD Loss
BHD Vs Maphia, BHD Loss
BHD Vs Death Dealers, BHD Loss
BHD Vs A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S, BHD Loss

We had one against ANON? when?

Was that Quill?

Hold on...lol...4 dystopian members left the battle for STB on fightclub?? Fightclub is supposed to be fighting corps on that planet and not for ISK farming. You can farm ISK on your own districts outside of fightclub.

But to be honest, MSF, you aren't supposed to take the district from dystopia either. If you attacked them once and won on the fightclub planet, then you are supposed to leave them alone. If you want to fight them again, then you wait until their clones have accumulated and launch. So, if you guys were trying to take the district from dystopia, then I don't blame them for getting people to defend it for them.

Independant is independant. You don't really get to define what it is.
If a successful music artist leaves a major label, they have gone 'indie', even if they were successful before. Like a Joe Budden, or a Canibus.
If a Director or Actor leaves the Directors/Actors Guild, they have gone independant.

If you don't understand the advantages of having a giant powerful alliance that sets goals and moves towards them as a unit and also individually as corps; and therefore the disadvantages of not having one, I can't help you or your alliance isn't helping you.

Wait a MIN. We were under the impression that the club was a place where unorganized corps could fight other unorganized corps to participate in PC just like the larger more organized corps. This would mean that taking a district, being able to own a district and then defend said district would all be part of the learning process so said corps could grow and then compete against larger corps creating a larger pool of experienced players.

What you are implying is that corps who would like to enter this realm can never own a district as they cannot take one from another fight club Corp. Which also means that corps who have already bought/given a district when fight club was first established can farm isk etc without the fear of lossing a district. How does that Corp learn any sort of risk verse reward? Also on a curious note, how do we know that dystopian isn't being ran by Sver and collecting a paycheck? After all is was Sver we fought the two matches, not dystopian. Seems to me that the idea is literally broken.

Let PC be PC stop trying to regulate.

Fight club is a great thing, and Burgezz ETF have been enjoying the fights so far. It's nice because even when faced with teams such as Teamplayers, (and we actually are going against Internal error. tonight) we know that we can put aside worries about ISK, reputation, Alliances and wars and losing land and clones because none of that is really an issue. It means we can sit back, and prepare and enjoy some good fights and train ourselves better.

We've had wins and losses on our district, and we are having fun above all else, and as weird as it may sound that's the point of ******* video games!

As far as 'indie' goes and tiering corps? It's difficult because there are so many variables, and everything gets kinda subjective. I don't know how you'd define Burgezz E.T.F, whether we are 'indie' or not. But all I can say is we are a veteran clan, with a handful of exprienced players, that are not in an alliance and work off the sweat of our own muscle 100% of the time. Does that make us indie or what? I mean, I don't care what we're classed as because we are what we are but I'm trying to get to grips of what kind of corp we're classed as to others.

- BANE

Osvetur has turned into a cluster f*ck, but in the same light 14 districts spread to only 4 corps, indie or not is going to bring attention especially when it was marketed as an 'indie' planet

well 1 potential option would be to make oddeluf the designated low/mid tier land

from what ive seen the 'fight club' notion seems to be sticking, as I haven't seen any lands changing hands

in the same regard, almost half the lands there are not being used at all

Nyain san, Cronos as well as most of eon districts are doing nothing.

might be a good discussion to open up these districts to more individual lower tier corps to have the good fights that some of you are definitely experiencing

Altbrard remains a low/middle tier area with heavy activity, but that is playing for keeps (1 district still available there btw )

Osvetur has turned into a cluster f*ck, but in the same light 14 districts spread to only 4 corps, indie or not is going to bring attention especially when it was marketed as an 'indie' planet

PFC is a great idea, and has shown to be a good thing in many regards, but I think we can further enhance the experience of the community at large.

the problem is we cant designate more land for the low/middle tier corps

they are more than welcome to get the land, but all too many have mistakenly thought the entire community would honor the fact they are low/middle tier whereas we then run into the issue of corps thinking they are top tier and at the same time don't give 2 $h1ts that you are not on their level.

they just want the land.

cant blame em but that is why we are discussing it and trying to decide whats best for PC in including everyone

this has nothing to do with anyone trying to 'control' anyone. Its trying to get this insanely large player base to create a universal definition on something that has become a very large gray area in this game.

hence the title: 'Productive Topic'

I know Twisted, if the topic doesn't say 'Potato' it just doesn't register for you

let me try to break it down



P-O-T-A-T-O



ok now you might understand the topic of the thread

Putting it out there but could you or someone in similar power in EON, dust side, state what the "rules" of fightclub are, clearly?

My corp wants to get into it, and we're obviously capable of attacking districts and pushing people out, and being active members. But today we attacked Dystopia for what should have been the winning match to take the district. Not to count our eggs before they're hatched but based on last night it seemed obvious. When we got in, we ran into 3 Dystopia's at best, due to server errors people were dropping like flies, but regardless, Outer.Heaven showed up along with with a few Betamax to fill every empty spot they could.

Afterwards a player in my corp received a mail stating:
"0.H was told that was a district flip oppurtunity on a planet fight club district . You are not allowed to reup a attack on fight club win or loss. We came in as concord. sorry you didnt know the rules of PC" - I do not know the original sender at the moment, but I was forwarded this, word for word, from the person who received it, will edit when I know.

I figured EON being one of the biggest forces in DUST right now might want to clear things up. Dystopia is hiding behind "rules" now that have not being formally and organized in announcement by any superpower, after breaking said unclear "rules" about pulling high-end corp ringers to replace them in matches for the vast majority.

I have no problem with going against Outer.Heaven, or Betamax, even STB's (thank you about the public apology and quick action), they're good challenges that help us grow as mercs. My issue is finding these corps in fightclub where we're trying to prove our mettle and get a foot in the door is starting to get ridiculous. If Dystopia can't defend themselves from us, why should they own a spot in fightclub anyways?

Gawen we were supposed to wait for Vic to handle this. Everybody, please allow our CEO to be told of what went down and for him to do the talking. Some of us aren't quite happy about this and posting while angry just isn't the best idea.

Specifics will be discussed soon.

Oddeluf and fight clcub were not the original idea of eon. I believe NF came up with the idea and did nothing to make it happen, while Sha and SI actuallu made the push to get it going and several other corps in and out of eon actually helped get it done.

The 1 rule I know of is that NO ONE is to use clones FROM oddeluf to attack anywhere OUTSIDE oddeluf.

This is a direct breach of the entire concept of planet fight club, and dystopia we all know you have broken this rule.

So u lose your district, don't know what to tell you.

Only rule I know that has been set in stone. I will work on input and we will generate a list (if needed) of rules and conduct on this planet.

I fully agree changes and a contingent policy need to be in place

How can you be sure they used Clones from Oddeluf to attack outside districts?

I'm not saying they haven't, never knew there was a way to tell if they have.

This is interesting to read the thread, what I want to know is if someone breaks the rules will EON fine or take action? Arcturis is correct, we are mercs that is what this whole game is about. I wonder will EON infer when they believe an action does not suit their interest. May it be to make it better for PC or whatever. I only bring this out cuz EON hit a indie corp, now I don't give a damn what EON does but if EON is policing this small area then I would like to know the rules and consequences, that is all thank you

So do i get this right there is 1 planet that is for low tier corps only. what defines a low tier corp has not yet been decided???
just for clarification
if this is the case how many districts r on this planet??

You know what I respect just the thought of what you're trying to do for everyone bro because you don't have to do a damn thing for anyone but you have played the game long enough to take this stance to help with the isues hats of to you. We are working hard on just getting into pc and just like pub matches when we play the best you can one day become one of the best, so if an asz whipping is in order take your asz whipping.

How I see it you would be lucky for a corp like TP show up and spend time teaching you how to become a beast, i'll show up for that lesson every time. For one, playing the best you're guys can see what hell looks like and make a choice to hang in there or join a corp that wants to watch on the sidelines. So what I would be asking is let me get a district, then attack it with the best team you got so we can learn and become one of the best along with them. Why would you want to be attacked by a team that you will beat every time you will stay just as soft as they are.

You know what that gives me an idea, how about a training camp for corps who want to get it in with the big boys on a regular bases to get better, I mean thats what we did in SOCOM we played the best all day every day. So yeah we will get into pc and if we get a district im sure a big fish may come along and take it my only concern is getting back into the game to get more practice from the big fish.

So my advice to indi corps is put that corp wallet to good use, talk to a corp already in pc, (a good corp) get a clone pack and let them whip you're asz until you don't get red lined anymore, oh and don't forget to thank them.

With that being said any corps (elite corps) with districts who would allow us to get some good training in hit me up we would hate for you guys to keep getting board waiting for these ****** crying.