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Rogatien Merc
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Posted - 2013.07.31 17:07:00 -
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So let's cut to the chase... with well-established corps like Molon Labe, New Eden's Most Wanted, and MSF wanting some sort of consideration... it is no longer about corps needing to become established or gain experience (5-10 matches a day is an indy corp apparently...).
It is about corps not being able to beat EoN. but still wanting to be involved in PC. They want a farm league that they can be moved down to from the majors. Farm leagues not only house new greenhorn players, but also older guys who may have been injured, replaced, or just lost their mojo.
Basically the community consensus Cubs, is that no corp in EoN. should attack anyone at all whatsoever period, and that no EoN. member should participate in any PC match period. |
Rogatien Merc
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Posted - 2013.07.31 17:34:00 -
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Chris F2112 wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Rogatien Merc:
New Eden's Most Wanted is 33 players, with never more than 6 or 7 online at the same time, and you place us on the same pedestal as Molon Labe.? I mean, we're making progress, I'm proud of our team. B
Realistically, in New Eden, there should not be any special considerations given to anyone, everyone should torch everyone else, and such and such. Sandbox. The problem is, unlike EVE, DUST has a sandbox with no sand, that we've all roughly figured out becomes no fun if we use it as intended.
This discussion shouldn't be necessary. But it is. Because CCP sucks. If you only have 6 or 7 online at the same time, why would you ever think you can hold a district? You shouldn't even be in PC if you can't field even half a team for any of your battles. I have a lot of respect for S.e.V.e.N. for fielding most of their own players. And I understand needing help every once in a while, it's unavoidable. But if you need over half a team of fill-ins every battle that should be a hint that you don't belong in PC.
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Most of the corps that would actually qualify for this 'indy' term fall into a similar category... which is why blanket restrictions on ringers in this category is kind of ironic. They need the ringers to even make the battle happen. |
Rogatien Merc
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Posted - 2013.07.31 17:41:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Chris F2112 wrote:If you only have 6 or 7 online at the same time, why would you ever think you can hold a district? You shouldn't even be in PC if you can't field even half a team for any of your battles. I have a lot of respect for S.e.V.e.N. for fielding most of their own players. And I understand needing help every once in a while, it's unavoidable.
But if you need over half a team of fill-ins every battle that should be a hint that you don't belong in PC. They're not fill-ins, we function as an alliance. The alliance is "our own players". We took the planet as an alliance, and spread out the districts across the most active corps. (While small, active NEMW players make an extremely strong showing in PC.) But to some how call out our 33-man corp specifically as equivalent to Molon Labe. is outright absurd. In terms of geared, experienced players... our entire alliance as a whole compared to their corp might be a more fair comparison.
It wasn't as equivalent to Molon Labe. I don't rank you people. It was an inclusion in the category NOT NEW, NOT "DEVELOPING", AND NOT INEXPERIENCED.
Soraya Xel wrote:(While small, active NEMW players make an extremely strong showing in PC
You say it right there. |
Rogatien Merc
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Posted - 2013.07.31 17:48:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Chris F2112 wrote:If that makes sense, wouldn't it make sense that your entire alliance should hold as much as Molon Labe? You guys do kind of hold a disproportionately large amount of land for "indie" corps. It was rough, I think we pulled through okay though.
So quit yer bitchin  |
Rogatien Merc
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Posted - 2013.07.31 17:50:00 -
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Soldier of Mawat wrote:Rogatien Merc wrote:So let's cut to the chase... with well-established corps like Molon Labe, New Eden's Most Wanted, and MSF wanting some sort of consideration... it is no longer about corps needing to become established or gain experience (5-10 matches a day is an indy corp apparently...).
It is about corps not being able to beat EoN. but still wanting to be involved in PC. They want a farm league that they can be moved down to from the majors. Farm leagues not only house new greenhorn players, but also older guys who may have been injured, replaced, or just lost their mojo.
Basically the community consensus Cubs, is that no corp in EoN. should attack anyone at all whatsoever period, and that no EoN. member should participate in any PC match period. We're well established?  Sure we have been around for awhile but we still have a lot of work to do to pull our s hit together.
Yes, you are. And again if the community consensus is that you are not, then like I said... this is all about EoN. corps and players not attacking or participating anywhere on the map but PFC. |
Rogatien Merc
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Posted - 2013.07.31 17:58:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:
I really love Planet Fight Club for corps that don't have a way to get fights otherwise. I honestly think until CCP makes a better game, we need to get more than 24 corps involved in that sort of system. If it was like... constellation fight club... if everyone had a guaranteed district to get the voluntary fights they want... I'd pretty much be cool with the rest of Molden Heath being "whatever dude".
I honestly think when you start scraping that far down into the barrel, you're grabbing the guys that are honeslty just getting their feet wet organizing squads effectively in PUB matches and learning how to play at the squad level. They are still having fun in that part of the game... which is awesome. Not even trying to be all 'brutal machiavellian ****' here, just saying not everyone needs to be in PC. |
Rogatien Merc
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Posted - 2013.07.31 20:29:00 -
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Azura Sakura wrote:Rogatien Merc wrote:Soldier of Mawat wrote:Rogatien Merc wrote:So let's cut to the chase... with well-established corps like Molon Labe, New Eden's Most Wanted, and MSF wanting some sort of consideration... it is no longer about corps needing to become established or gain experience (5-10 matches a day is an indy corp apparently...).
It is about corps not being able to beat EoN. but still wanting to be involved in PC. They want a farm league that they can be moved down to from the majors. Farm leagues not only house new greenhorn players, but also older guys who may have been injured, replaced, or just lost their mojo.
Basically the community consensus Cubs, is that no corp in EoN. should attack anyone at all whatsoever period, and that no EoN. member should participate in any PC match period. We're well established? Sure we have been around for awhile but we still have a lot of work to do to pull our s hit together. Yes, you are. And again if the community consensus is that you are not, then like I said... this is all about EoN. corps and players not attacking or participating anywhere on the map but PFC. Can you explain why you think we're not a indie corp and well established
Somebody already responded with pretty much what I would have said, and I think this discussion has shed a bit of light on Cubs' initial question: Indy means "noob" ... if the corp isn't considered "noob" (i.e. is able to field proto gear, has an established leadership that understands PC mechanics) then they should at least be part of the 'mid-tier' that others have talked about.
Because if you are established and you still suck, what is gained by letting you wallow on the map? What do we do if you really aren't capable of bringing good fights because you don't have the leadership/management to impliment proper roles and tactics? Might it be better for that corp to shatter and scatter? Some might quit, but I think the ones who do would have quit anyway. I think some of the members that weren't ready for PC would take the opportunity to find another corp that's not involved in PC and focus on comaradarie and fun while the 'diamonds in the rough' would gravitate toward forming more effective talent-based teams. Sorry if that is a tangent.
[Edit: The second paragraph was in no way shape or form directed at MSF btw.] |
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