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Soraya Xel New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 178	Posted - 2013.07.31 14:12:00 - [1] - Quote No alliance is a poor requirement. Reasons: - Federation of Small Corps, largely belonging to... General Tso's Alliance. Nobody would suggest they don't deserve protection from EoN and such. Being in an alliance does not equate that your alliance can complete with more experienced alliances. - Many corps have an "alliance" just to connect their primary corp with their feeder/academy corp. - Some corps may have a very weak DUST presence, but belong to an EVE alliance. Realistically, an alliance should be judged just like a corporation is, as there's no such thing as ringing inside your alliance. That means, you determine not whether TeamPlayers is worthy or not worthy of the label's protection, but EoN. EoN is established and experienced. General Tso's is not, (do they even have districts?) and regardless of being in an alliance, probably should get it. I'm not going to pretend I could figure where my alliance fits on that scale. As some of our corp's have a tough time, and are very small, but we're progressing quickly, and probably don't need protection any more. A month or two ago, we might have. Though if you mention SP level as an important distinction, CUBS, I believe most of our players sit below 10 mil.
Soraya Xel New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 178	Posted - 2013.07.31 14:14:00 - [2] - Quote Note that, as I think having an alliance or not is a bad requirement, I'd argue the term "indie" just needs to outright die. Tier off corps by their performance. Top Tier, Mid Tier, Low Tier. Done.
Soraya Xel New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 178	Posted - 2013.07.31 14:18:00 - [3] - Quote Vethosis wrote: If you kick sammus420 out of goonfeet, maybe the attacks from us would stop. What's your beef with him anyways? Did he take your stuff? I can't kick people out of Goonfeet, they're GoonSwarm, we're Gentlemen's Agreement. The Goons do their own thing, they just hang with us sometimes.
Soraya Xel New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 182	Posted - 2013.07.31 14:43:00 - [4] - Quote Crusty Fat Bastard wrote: yes i agree in many ways but these terms are for the community, there should be something about ringers also, somthing like you can only have ringers from other "Indie corps" So much this. Some people seem to be unable to recognize the difference between filling a team with members from another corp you're friends or allies with of similar experience level, and ringing EoN members.
Soraya Xel New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 184	Posted - 2013.07.31 15:42:00 - [5] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Exemplars, New Eden's Most Wanted, Dios Ex and SeVeN are all part of the same alliance, and owned a whole planet, I think if you're in an alliance that owns that many districts, you immediately lose the 'Indie' tag. Two problems with this: First, as mentioned, "indie" is a poor label outright, for reasons this thread has made clear. Second, we bought the entire planet, wholesale, extremely cheaply. (Any tiny indy group can do this, alliance or no alliance.) We did it largely because we figured we'd have some such big power come attack us sooner or later (ended up being sooner), and were hoping having the extraneous districts would draw out the event, so we could get more practice. Unfortunately, we weren't expecting like three major powers to come simultaneously hit us on the same day. Thankfully, I feel our alliance has risen to the occasion, as we haven't no-showed a single fight, even though we're facing between 5 and 10 fights a day with a very small number of participating players that can actually field proto gear. Knight Soiaire wrote: They're only using the Indie tag as protection so they can farm, the only corp that I've seen openly participate in attacks from that Alliance is SeVeN. We were working on coordinating some attacks before a bunch of EoN and Zion ringers as well as the ROFL alliance all attacked us simultaneously. We're sorry we can't handle more than the ten fights per night we've demonstrated we can handle. Knight Soiaire wrote: C'mon, if you're a part of an Alliance (That has 1289 members, 12 Corps) that not only owns a load of district, but a whole freakin' planet, how can you still classify yourself as an indie? With probably about 600 of which not playing, at all. (Goons are busy waging war in EVE, and some of our corps don't purge inactives often enough. Game is dying and such.) And a lot of the rest have low SP.
Soraya Xel New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 186	Posted - 2013.07.31 16:09:00 - [6] - Quote One of the options with a three tier distinction would be the ability for a corp to fall back down, but not all the way. For instance: Low Tier: New, inexperienced, entering PC. Once you leave low tier, you aren't coming back. Mid Tier: Stable, less competitive. As a corp or alliance, capable of fielding full teams, and winning against other midtier corps. Collapsed top tier alliances and corps might also now be classed here. Top Tier: Those who would pubstomp any Mid Tier or Low Tier corps or alliances they attacked. Highly competitive, large territory is likely or possible.
Soraya Xel New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 186	Posted - 2013.07.31 16:25:00 - [7] - Quote Hmm... I think low tier corps should be given free space when available, mid tiers should pay for it. Once you're stable, you shouldn't need charity, and if you need to buy in again, you should be able to raise the funds. One of my big peeves with the existing/previous concept: I think regardless of whether a current match is attack or defense, if a corp initiates hostilities within it's own tier, it can't ring people from a higher tier. (For instance, if mid tier Corp A attacks mid tier Corp B, and Corp B retaliates, Corp A can't ring a top tier for defense. Reap what you sow, and such. Let the fight play out.) There really shouldn't be any restrictions on "ringing" if it's within groups among your own tier. Everyone should be able to fill a 16-man team, even if that means calling in another corp to help.
Soraya Xel New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 186	Posted - 2013.07.31 16:27:00 - [8] - Quote Superhero Rawdon wrote: i dont mind being a low tier now, as i will eventually pull my corp into mid tier. its just that all i see here is another way to label the 'not-so-good players/corps as scrubs or wutever other lingo us gamers use. It takes a certain amount of humility to step aside and say "yeah, I'm not top tier", but I think it's important. I can't run around with the mentality that I can compete, realistically, with EoN. I think we can, in time. But not now. If anything, putting people on a scale gives them something to work towards.
Soraya Xel New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 186	Posted - 2013.07.31 17:18:00 - [9] - Quote Rogatien Merc: New Eden's Most Wanted is 33 players, with never more than 6 or 7 online at the same time, and you place us on the same pedestal as Molon Labe.? I mean, we're making progress, I'm proud of our team. B Realistically, in New Eden, there should not be any special considerations given to anyone, everyone should torch everyone else, and such and such. Sandbox. The problem is, unlike EVE, DUST has a sandbox with no sand, that we've all roughly figured out becomes no fun if we use it as intended. This discussion shouldn't be necessary. But it is. Because CCP sucks.
Soraya Xel New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 186	Posted - 2013.07.31 17:20:00 - [10] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: just playing pubs I make over 20m a week.. just ME, and I don't play nearly as much as I did. I think your place on the leaderboard, which ranks by "amount of time played" shows that you're a bad example of what to expect from average players.

Soraya Xel New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 186	Posted - 2013.07.31 17:36:00 - [11] - Quote Chris F2112 wrote: If you only have 6 or 7 online at the same time, why would you ever think you can hold a district? You shouldn't even be in PC if you can't field even half a team for any of your battles. I have a lot of respect for S.e.V.e.N. for fielding most of their own players. And I understand needing help every once in a while, it's unavoidable. But if you need over half a team of fill-ins every battle that should be a hint that you don't belong in PC. They're not fill-ins, we function as an alliance. The alliance is "our own players". We took the planet as an alliance, and spread out the districts across the most active corps. (While small, active NEMW players make an extremely strong showing in PC.) But to some how call out our 33-man corp specifically as equivalent to Molon Labe. is outright absurd. In terms of geared, experienced players... our entire alliance as a whole compared to their corp might be a more fair comparison.
Soraya Xel New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 188	Posted - 2013.07.31 17:42:00 - [12] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Personally, I don't take pride in attacking "low tier" corps because they may be redline matches and offer no learning experience and cause you to slack if real competition launches against you. I, don't even take pride in attacking a vet corp that would give us the same no experience. I feel that midtier and low tier corps shouldn't even ask for ringers from top tier corps. We can say that to tier corps shouldn't accept but if they are deciding to be mercs and a contract was issued.....it is really hard to argue with that. I agree completely, I really don't think mid-tier and low-tier corps should be using the top-tier corp ringers as nukes. The game simply becomes "how many matches until one side hires EoN and ends the fun." Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Then again it is the issue of players wanting fights and there aren't that many corps out that can give an enjoyable fight to some of the top tier corps. Don't have an answer for that about other corps. For us, I will say that if RND launches an attack on a low/mid tier corp......it won't be for the district. It will be a win/win because we'll get the ISK payout and they will get experience and to keep their district. Honestly, I think EoN's going to have to cannibalize itself at some point if it wants good fights. It's great and wonderful you all like each other, but there's a point where you have to come up with a situation where you do. Often that means the biggest gang in the playground has to split just to create fun. It's a conflict game, make some conflict for yourselves. But again, the real problem all stems back to CCP and their game. They have a game system that requires we invent new labels and structures to keep the game playable (this thread shouldn't exist in a well-designed game), and not enough players to ensure you always have enemies to fight.
Soraya Xel New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 188	Posted - 2013.07.31 17:45:00 - [13] - Quote Chris F2112 wrote: If that makes sense, wouldn't it make sense that your entire alliance should hold as much as Molon Labe? You guys do kind of hold a disproportionately large amount of land for "indie" corps. We got a bulk deal. It was actually sold as a "this price for the planet". We wouldn't have gotten such a good deal if we hadn't gone that big. And it was bigger than we wanted to go. But it was worth doing, so we did it. And we bought them to lose them. We were hoping having a fair number of districts to eat through would give us a lot of practice, a lot of fights. Hopefully, just so we wouldn't be pushed out of PC too quickly if a larger group came calling. We just weren't expecting the mass of simultaneous attacks that we took on from all sides. It was rough, I think we pulled through okay though.
Soraya Xel New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 189	Posted - 2013.07.31 17:53:00 - [14] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: if this is the case, then why sign up for the 2nd largest planet in molden heath? Only offer made. It was a fiscally-responsible choice that got us fights. Win-win. And we do greatly appreciate it. Even though our planet's not all blue anymore. CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: designate areas for various tiers? That's tough, I wish that they offered varied-quality districts, so we had reasons for top tier corps to care about only certain districts, and other corps to accept the lower quality ones. Again... CCP. I really love Planet Fight Club for corps that don't have a way to get fights otherwise. I honestly think until CCP makes a better game, we need to get more than 24 corps involved in that sort of system. If it was like... constellation fight club... if everyone had a guaranteed district to get the voluntary fights they want... I'd pretty much be cool with the rest of Molden Heath being "whatever dude".
Soraya Xel New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 191	Posted - 2013.07.31 20:05:00 - [15] - Quote Thor, hiring other corps is part of the game. That's why they're called mercenaries. There's nothing wrong with hiring mercs, the problem is hiring mercs good enough to be an IWIN button compared to the opposing corp. Not because there's anything wrong, morality-wise, with doing so. But because it makes the game not-fun currently.
Soraya Xel New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 223	Posted - 2013.08.02 14:04:00 - [16] - Quote Fight Club activity is something we should be ramping up shortly. As some of you might have noticed, we were a bit overwhelmed on the other side of Molden Heath, so practice matches had to take a back seat. :/ We're working on scheduling a fight today.
Soraya Xel New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 224	Posted - 2013.08.02 15:27:00 - [17] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: Osvetur has turned into a cluster f*ck, but in the same light 14 districts spread to only 4 corps, indie or not is going to bring attention especially when it was marketed as an 'indie' planet Heh, no kidding. I spent like the last week without a real life. ;) We were going to spread them to more corps, but didn't really get the time. Such is life in New Eden. ;)
Soraya Xel New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 224	Posted - 2013.08.02 15:53:00 - [18] - Quote There really isn't a purpose to PC yet, because CCP is scared to actually deliver on the game integration they promised.

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