If you kick sammus420 out of goonfeet, maybe the attacks from us would stop.

Does it matter?

The terms of anything you guys come up with aren't followed by your alliance members.

I'm not trying to flame there either. Just stating the obvious.

Not sure about point 1 what about small alliance that just want to have fun??

Points 2 yes but point 3, at which point do you become established and experienced??

What would you class as experience? Corps with vets classed as experienced? The amount of battles played in PC??
You find find it hard to find a corp that doesn't have a veteran beta player in it and how will you decide the maximum amount of battles needed to then be classed as Experienced?

Corps that are established??
any corp willing, with enough players and ISK, to enter PC are already established.

How about restricting them to X amount of districts? if for example you take more than 3 districts you leave the "indie corp" status and are open to attack from anyone?
This to me would make more sence then classifiying them Experienced or Established as there is too much of a grey area with it.

But it could work both ways for example if you have more than X amount of districts and then dont want to be in the battle with bigger corps anymore you could give districts away and be reclassed as an "Indie corp"

You could also do it by player count per corp but that i dont think would work aswell as there are many noob corps with large numbers that can't compete at the higher level but still want to play in PC.



yes i agree in many ways but these terms are for the community, there should be something about ringers also, somthing like you can only have ringers from other "Indie corps"

Does it matter?

The terms of anything you guys come up with aren't followed by your alliance members.

I'm not trying to flame there either. Just stating the obvious.

Not sure about point 1 what about small alliance that just want to have fun??

Points 2 yes but point 3, at which point do you become established and experienced??

What would you class as experience? Corps with vets classed as experienced? The amount of battles played in PC??
You find find it hard to find a corp that doesn't have a veteran beta player in it and how will you decide the maximum amount of battles needed to then be classed as Experienced?

Corps that are established??
any corp willing, with enough players and ISK, to enter PC are already established.

How about restricting them to X amount of districts? if for example you take more than 3 districts you leave the "indie corp" status and are open to attack from anyone?
This to me would make more sence then classifiying them Experienced or Established as there is too much of a grey area with it.

But it could work both ways for example if you have more than X amount of districts and then dont want to be in the battle with bigger corps anymore you could give districts away and be reclassed as an "Indie corp"

You could also do it by player count per corp but that i dont think would work aswell as there are many noob corps with large numbers that can't compete at the higher level but still want to play in PC.



yes i agree in many ways but these terms are for the community, there should be something about ringers also, somthing like you can only have ringers from other "Indie corps"

1st, and I always thought

indie = corp with no alliance.

or a corp that works alone.

Bold and underlined areas pure genius, i feel these are the areas that the terms should be based around.

actually I think it does. Lets face it, eon has the corps with the numbers to attack anyone. many of you see that some do this regardless of what is said or planned, hence this attitude.

If we can get a contingent on what this supposed separation of corps we all want in place, then perhaps we can finally sort things and truly separate these 'indie' corps from the rest and lots more good fights will ensue

yes i agree in many ways but these terms are for the community, there should be something about ringers also, somthing like you can only have ringers from other "Indie corps"

We are largely done with PC.

You guys talk like you are the good guys here. You have the right and the ability to attack anyone you like.

You told us you were attacking because you wanted to fight everyone in our alliance.

You attacked until you took a district. That's fine, because you can.

But that's certainly not what you stated you were doing.

So you lose credibility. And we aren't the only ones. I'm sure all these Indy corps that sent you money for districts love that you can't control the terms of your sale.

Everybody knows that you and Outer Heaven are the top corps out there right now. But what fun is it to wipe everyone out of PC?

Radar gets on here talking like he's a good guy too and they don't stop until they've taken all your districts.

I just don't understand what there is left to prove. If you and your peeps don't allow some breathing room for the rest of Dust then the game is going to shrivel up and die. It could take CCP six months to get some more content in here.

I'm sick and tired of getting my ass kicked by you guys. I'd rather fight guys that are on our level and get better. But we can't.

Hell there are a lot of corps in Eon that aren't getting any better because they aren't able to fend for themselves. At the first sign of weakness they call in the big dogs.

These aren't tears either. Because I'm past giving a **** about PC. But I would like to have some interesting fights from time to time and that doesn't happen 99% of the time in pubs. So WTF is left to do?

I respect what you guys have done. It is/was impressive. But if you guys don't back off you will be the kings of a shitpile.

We are largely done with PC.

You guys talk like you are the good guys here. You have the right and the ability to attack anyone you like.

You told us you were attacking because you wanted to fight everyone in our alliance.

You attacked until you took a district. That's fine, because you can.

But that's certainly not what you stated you were doing.

So you lose credibility. And we aren't the only ones. I'm sure all these Indy corps that sent you money for districts love that you can't control the terms of your sale.

Everybody knows that you and Outer Heaven are the top corps out there right now. But what fun is it to wipe everyone out of PC?

Radar gets on here talking like he's a good guy too and they don't stop until they've taken all your districts.

I just don't understand what there is left to prove. If you and your peeps don't allow some breathing room for the rest of Dust then the game is going to shrivel up and die. It could take CCP six months to get some more content in here.

I'm sick and tired of getting my ass kicked by you guys. I'd rather fight guys that are on our level and get better. But we can't.

Hell there are a lot of corps in Eon that aren't getting any better because they aren't able to fend for themselves. At the first sign of weakness they call in the big dogs.

These aren't tears either. Because I'm past giving a **** about PC. But I would like to have some interesting fights from time to time and that doesn't happen 99% of the time in pubs. So WTF is left to do?

I respect what you guys have done. It is/was impressive. But if you guys don't back off you will be the kings of a shitpile.

the little guy, right?

so, we are looking at a alliance-less, smaller-in-numbers, little to no exp in PC corp, right?

'indie' = independant is wut i assumed b4 reading this. but......ok

btw, still wanting to pick your brain for a few minutes, cubs.

this was the original definition I used, yes.

what we now see is not necessarily that case, which is why we are discussing it openly to hopefully gain a contingent on it

1st, and I always thought

indie = corp with no alliance.

or a corp that works alone.

sorry.. my definition of 'attack' includes taking land. I 'attacked' you once, and took that district. at the time you had 6 others.

u got stomped? sorry, guess im the bad guy cause I have a group of players that wants to fight. I don't care how you see me honestly. I have had 3 PC matches in the last week, all but 1 were defenses. My guys are getting bored and simply want to play. I have kept them out of all this ringing crap for the most part, but at the same time cant stop them from doing things on their own, nor would I.

I DO agree with you tho that just taking out everyone does more harm than good, hence TRYING to have a PRODUCTIVE discussion to help stimulate the PC community and maybe even sorting some things out

Good ole fashion logic on display here, folks. To me, the term "indie" is a shortened version of the word "independent" and I agree with Vethosis.

Why bother complicating things any further? No matter how big or small, if a corp goes it alone then they are "indie" imho.

Note that, as I think having an alliance or not is a bad requirement, I'd argue the term "indie" just needs to outright die. Tier off corps by their performance. Top Tier, Mid Tier, Low Tier. Done.

And I like it that you are trying to have a discussion. I understand that your guys want to fight.

The system that you have in place is a smart one. Take peoples district then eventually sell it back to them one way or another. Rinse and repeat.

Again I respect and understand it. Kudos for being able to pull it off.

Where does it leave a corp like us? One that's held territory and been able to beat some worthy opponents. If it wasn't for KEQ attacking us everyday the district would have already been taken by Outer Heaven. We are barely hanging on.

The terms of the treaty was supposed to allow us to go to a planet with other LoI corps and rebuild. Which would have been good for you guys long term as we may have been able to provide some decent fights. None of these terms were ever remotely honored. They were over before the ink was dry.

Exemplars, New Eden's Most Wanted, Dios Ex and SeVeN are all part of the same alliance, and owned a whole planet, I think if you're in an alliance that owns that many districts, you immediately lose the 'Indie' tag.

They're only using the Indie tag as protection so they can farm, the only corp that I've seen openly participate in attacks from that Alliance is SeVeN.

C'mon, if you're a part of an Alliance (That has 1289 members, 12 Corps) that not only owns a load of district, but a whole freakin' planet, how can you still classify yourself as an indie?