DUST Search - Productive Topic - what Defines 'Indie'

Jodi Breez wrote:

Ydubbs81 RND wrote:

Jodi Breez wrote:

Today MSF attacked dystopian Corp, after beating them the previous night, to find them yet again with only 5 of their Corp members (same as the previous night) and the rest STB. Right before the match started (in the war barge) dystopian member then proceeded to leave and more SVER came to tally a whopping 15 total.

Now I understand we are mercs etc etc BUT what is the purpose of this so called fight club, if corps who want to compete with other corps within their same "class" aren't even fighting the corps that own the district?

If MSF wanted to fight Sver, we would have attacked SVER not dystopian.

Also there are many implications to this system that are troublesome. Let me explain. If a Corp owns a district for X amount of time, clone reserves build up. An attacking Corp, who doesn't own a district, buys a clone pack that contains 100 max clones. If attacking Corp wins their match, they can attack again the next day with another clone pack. So to successfully take the district, the attacking Corp MUST grind down the clones day by day until they are depleted BUT in our example today, BIG CORP comes in defeating attacking corp which causes a lock out for 24 hrs before attacking Corp can launch again. Defending Corp receives 2 reinforcement timers tallying 160 clones at the very least. So you can see how this doesn't go well for the attacking Corp and ultimately becomes a massive waste of resources for them.

So if EON or whoever are going to continue trying to implement a continued "fight club" for the smaller corps, they will need to police what goes on. If an attacking Corp shows proof that a defending Corp is not participating in how this club is suppose to run, "Eon" needs to step in and remove the defending Corp from their district and Can then sell it off once acquired back into their hands.

Hold on...lol...4 dystopian members left the battle for STB on fightclub?? Fightclub is supposed to be fighting corps on that planet and not for ISK farming. You can farm ISK on your own districts outside of fightclub.

But to be honest, MSF, you aren't supposed to take the district from dystopia either. If you attacked them once and won on the fightclub planet, then you are supposed to leave them alone. If you want to fight them again, then you wait until their clones have accumulated and launch. So, if you guys were trying to take the district from dystopia, then I don't blame them for getting people to defend it for them.

Wait a MIN. We were under the impression that the club was a place where unorganized corps could fight other unorganized corps to participate in PC just like the larger more organized corps. This would mean that taking a district, being able to own a district and then defend said district would all be part of the learning process so said corps could grow and then compete against larger corps creating a larger pool of experienced players.

What you are implying is that corps who would like to enter this realm can never own a district as they cannot take one from another fight club Corp. Which also means that corps who have already bought/given a district when fight club was first established can farm isk etc without the fear of lossing a district. How does that Corp learn any sort of risk verse reward? Also on a curious note, how do we know that dystopian isn't being ran by Sver and collecting a paycheck? After all is was Sver we fought the two matches, not dystopian. Seems to me that the idea is literally broken.

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RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 468	Posted - 2013.08.01 12:12:00 - [91] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: RuckingFetard wrote: So, BHD classifies as a sucky Corp, amirite? Where would you classify BHD? I haven't seen you guys in battle much....just heard from forum talk about your ROFL fights and the Warriors video. So, if I had to guess....I would classify you guys as Medium Tier. But this is one way to determine one's tier. If you are at a level, where you can beat the corps in a specific tier, then you are classified in a higher tier. If you are in a tier where all or nearly all of the corps are dominating you, then you are in a lower tier. Edit: but that's just considering skill. If your corp's members have been around and established with at least 10Msp, then your corp should be considered a vet corp. Have only had that Warriors, supposedly 1 KEQ ( Chrome Btw), DBD, SI, 1 STB (I think) , and that's it
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 468	Posted - 2013.08.01 12:13:00 - [92] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: RuckingFetard wrote: So, BHD classifies as a sucky Corp, amirite? We're the SVER OP newbs who spammed smoke grenades, something along those lines anyway. TBH, we're the only blokes who have the balls to send militia noobs into the slaughter-house that is PC
Knight Soiaire Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1552	Posted - 2013.08.01 12:16:00 - [93] - Quote RuckingFetard wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: RuckingFetard wrote: So, BHD classifies as a sucky Corp, amirite? Where would you classify BHD? I haven't seen you guys in battle much....just heard from forum talk about your ROFL fights and the Warriors video. So, if I had to guess....I would classify you guys as Medium Tier. But this is one way to determine one's tier. If you are at a level, where you can beat the corps in a specific tier, then you are classified in a higher tier. If you are in a tier where all or nearly all of the corps are dominating you, then you are in a lower tier. Edit: but that's just considering skill. If your corp's members have been around and established with at least 10Msp, then your corp should be considered a vet corp. Have only had that Warriors, supposedly 1 KEQ ( Chrome Btw), DBD, SI, 1 STB (I think) , and that's it I can remember some. Chromosone BHD Vs WSG (Wraith Shadow Guards), BHD Victory BHD Vs Warriors, BHD Victory BHD Vs KEQ, BHD Loss Thats all I know of in Chrome. Uprising BHD Vs DBD, BHD Victory BHD Vs DBD, BHD Loss BHD Vs Maphia, BHD Loss BHD Vs Maphia, BHD Loss BHD Vs Death Dealers, BHD Loss BHD Vs A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S, BHD Loss
Viktor Zokas 187. 110	Posted - 2013.08.01 12:19:00 - [94] - Quote 21yrOld Knight wrote: To me it looks like that the Eon. is the U.N. of Molden heath. That looks cool, but it must be a pain also because of how many people are asking for help and definitions. So they're space America?
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 468	Posted - 2013.08.01 12:32:00 - [95] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: RuckingFetard wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: RuckingFetard wrote: So, BHD classifies as a sucky Corp, amirite? Where would you classify BHD? I haven't seen you guys in battle much....just heard from forum talk about your ROFL fights and the Warriors video. So, if I had to guess....I would classify you guys as Medium Tier. But this is one way to determine one's tier. If you are at a level, where you can beat the corps in a specific tier, then you are classified in a higher tier. If you are in a tier where all or nearly all of the corps are dominating you, then you are in a lower tier. Edit: but that's just considering skill. If your corp's members have been around and established with at least 10Msp, then your corp should be considered a vet corp. Have only had that Warriors, supposedly 1 KEQ ( Chrome Btw), DBD, SI, 1 STB (I think) , and that's it I can remember some. Chromosone BHD Vs WSG (Wraith Shadow Guards), BHD Victory BHD Vs Warriors, BHD Victory BHD Vs KEQ, BHD Loss Thats all I know of in Chrome. Uprising BHD Vs DBD, BHD Victory BHD Vs DBD, BHD Loss BHD Vs Maphia, BHD Loss BHD Vs Maphia, BHD Loss BHD Vs Death Dealers, BHD Loss BHD Vs A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S, BHD Loss We had one against ANON? when?
DrunkinAHole Savage Savage Arms INC 5	Posted - 2013.08.01 12:34:00 - [96] - Quote I'm glad so many people are willing and trying to make PC open for the little guys, but the fact is everybody will not follow this no matter what is put in place and its giving false hope to the smaller corps. I found this out the hard way but me and my guys got alot of experience out of our PC battles that we did have and we actually won a few against the higher corps with our adv gear vs their proto. The fact is its a sp based game and the smaller corps are just going to have to tough it out grind the sp and when they are ready their ready. My advise to the smaller corps is take your time build up before u jump in hoping that the big corps won't attack you or the smaller corps won't bring in entire teams of the big guys. Because that will always be the case so prepare for it and you will be able to hold your ground.
Stigmonus 187. 5	Posted - 2013.08.01 12:40:00 - [97] - Quote Independant is independant. You don't really get to define what it is. If a successful music artist leaves a major label, they have gone 'indie', even if they were successful before. Like a Joe Budden, or a Canibus. If a Director or Actor leaves the Directors/Actors Guild, they have gone independant. If you don't understand the advantages of having a giant powerful alliance that sets goals and moves towards them as a unit and also individually as corps; and therefore the disadvantages of not having one, I can't help you or your alliance isn't helping you.
Knight Soiaire Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1552	Posted - 2013.08.01 12:48:00 - [98] - Quote RuckingFetard wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: RuckingFetard wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: RuckingFetard wrote: So, BHD classifies as a sucky Corp, amirite? Where would you classify BHD? I haven't seen you guys in battle much....just heard from forum talk about your ROFL fights and the Warriors video. So, if I had to guess....I would classify you guys as Medium Tier. But this is one way to determine one's tier. If you are at a level, where you can beat the corps in a specific tier, then you are classified in a higher tier. If you are in a tier where all or nearly all of the corps are dominating you, then you are in a lower tier. Edit: but that's just considering skill. If your corp's members have been around and established with at least 10Msp, then your corp should be considered a vet corp. Have only had that Warriors, supposedly 1 KEQ ( Chrome Btw), DBD, SI, 1 STB (I think) , and that's it I can remember some. Chromosone BHD Vs WSG (Wraith Shadow Guards), BHD Victory BHD Vs Warriors, BHD Victory BHD Vs KEQ, BHD Loss Thats all I know of in Chrome. Uprising BHD Vs DBD, BHD Victory BHD Vs DBD, BHD Loss BHD Vs Maphia, BHD Loss BHD Vs Maphia, BHD Loss BHD Vs Death Dealers, BHD Loss BHD Vs A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S, BHD Loss We had one against ANON? when? An Officer messed up and set up a battle against them at like 2am in the morning EST.
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 468	Posted - 2013.08.01 15:22:00 - [99] - Quote Was that Quill?
Knight Soiaire Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1552	Posted - 2013.08.01 15:25:00 - [100] - Quote RuckingFetard wrote: Was that Quill? No, Pilgrim.

Jodi Breez Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 1	Posted - 2013.08.01 15:40:00 - [101] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Jodi Breez wrote: Today MSF attacked dystopian Corp, after beating them the previous night, to find them yet again with only 5 of their Corp members (same as the previous night) and the rest STB. Right before the match started (in the war barge) dystopian member then proceeded to leave and more SVER came to tally a whopping 15 total. Now I understand we are mercs etc etc BUT what is the purpose of this so called fight club, if corps who want to compete with other corps within their same "class" aren't even fighting the corps that own the district? If MSF wanted to fight Sver, we would have attacked SVER not dystopian. Also there are many implications to this system that are troublesome. Let me explain. If a Corp owns a district for X amount of time, clone reserves build up. An attacking Corp, who doesn't own a district, buys a clone pack that contains 100 max clones. If attacking Corp wins their match, they can attack again the next day with another clone pack. So to successfully take the district, the attacking Corp MUST grind down the clones day by day until they are depleted BUT in our example today, BIG CORP comes in defeating attacking corp which causes a lock out for 24 hrs before attacking Corp can launch again. Defending Corp receives 2 reinforcement timers tallying 160 clones at the very least. So you can see how this doesn't go well for the attacking Corp and ultimately becomes a massive waste of resources for them. So if EON or whoever are going to continue trying to implement a continued "fight club" for the smaller corps, they will need to police what goes on. If an attacking Corp shows proof that a defending Corp is not participating in how this club is suppose to run, "Eon" needs to step in and remove the defending Corp from their district and Can then sell it off once acquired back into their hands. Hold on...lol...4 dystopian members left the battle for STB on fightclub?? Fightclub is supposed to be fighting corps on that planet and not for ISK farming. You can farm ISK on your own districts outside of fightclub. But to be honest, MSF, you aren't supposed to take the district from dystopia either. If you attacked them once and won on the fightclub planet, then you are supposed to leave them alone. If you want to fight them again, then you wait until their clones have accumulated and launch. So, if you guys were trying to take the district from dystopia, then I don't blame them for getting people to defend it for them. Wait a MIN. We were under the impression that the club was a place where unorganized corps could fight other unorganized corps to participate in PC just like the larger more organized corps. This would mean that taking a district, being able to own a district and then defend said district would all be part of the learning process so said corps could grow and then compete against larger corps creating a larger pool of experienced players. What you are implying is that corps who would like to enter this realm can never own a district as they cannot take one from another fight club Corp. Which also means that corps who have already bought/given a district when fight club was first established can farm isk etc without the fear of lossing a district. How does that Corp learn any sort of risk verse reward? Also on a curious note, how do we know that dystopian isn't being ran by Sver and collecting a paycheck? After all is was Sver we fought the two matches, not dystopian. Seems to me that the idea is literally broken.
Yokal Bob BetaMax. 67	Posted - 2013.08.01 15:48:00 - [102] - Quote Stigmonus wrote: Independant is independant. You don't really get to define what it is. If a successful music artist leaves a major label, they have gone 'indie', even if they were successful before. Like a Joe Budden, or a Canibus. If a Director or Actor leaves the Directors/Actors Guild, they have gone independant. If you don't understand the advantages of having a giant powerful alliance that sets goals and moves towards them as a unit and also individually as corps; and therefore the disadvantages of not having one, I can't help you or your alliance isn't helping you. Hence why we are aiming to move away from the term 'indie'. There seems to be a general consensus to a move towards tired rankings. What remains to be done is a clear way to work out these rankings in a fair way for everyone.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1664	Posted - 2013.08.01 16:07:00 - [103] - Quote Jodi Breez wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Jodi Breez wrote: Today MSF attacked dystopian Corp, after beating them the previous night, to find them yet again with only 5 of their Corp members (same as the previous night) and the rest STB. Right before the match started (in the war barge) dystopian member then proceeded to leave and more SVER came to tally a whopping 15 total. Now I understand we are mercs etc etc BUT what is the purpose of this so called fight club, if corps who want to compete with other corps within their same "class" aren't even fighting the corps that own the district? If MSF wanted to fight Sver, we would have attacked SVER not dystopian. Also there are many implications to this system that are troublesome. Let me explain. If a Corp owns a district for X amount of time, clone reserves build up. An attacking Corp, who doesn't own a district, buys a clone pack that contains 100 max clones. If attacking Corp wins their match, they can attack again the next day with another clone pack. So to successfully take the district, the attacking Corp MUST grind down the clones day by day until they are depleted BUT in our example today, BIG CORP comes in defeating attacking corp which causes a lock out for 24 hrs before attacking Corp can launch again. Defending Corp receives 2 reinforcement timers tallying 160 clones at the very least. So you can see how this doesn't go well for the attacking Corp and ultimately becomes a massive waste of resources for them. So if EON or whoever are going to continue trying to implement a continued "fight club" for the smaller corps, they will need to police what goes on. If an attacking Corp shows proof that a defending Corp is not participating in how this club is suppose to run, "Eon" needs to step in and remove the defending Corp from their district and Can then sell it off once acquired back into their hands. Hold on...lol...4 dystopian members left the battle for STB on fightclub?? Fightclub is supposed to be fighting corps on that planet and not for ISK farming. You can farm ISK on your own districts outside of fightclub. But to be honest, MSF, you aren't supposed to take the district from dystopia either. If you attacked them once and won on the fightclub planet, then you are supposed to leave them alone. If you want to fight them again, then you wait until their clones have accumulated and launch. So, if you guys were trying to take the district from dystopia, then I don't blame them for getting people to defend it for them. Wait a MIN. We were under the impression that the club was a place where unorganized corps could fight other unorganized corps to participate in PC just like the larger more organized corps. This would mean that taking a district, being able to own a district and then defend said district would all be part of the learning process so said corps could grow and then compete against larger corps creating a larger pool of experienced players. What you are implying is that corps who would like to enter this realm can never own a district as they cannot take one from another fight club Corp. Which also means that corps who have already bought/given a district when fight club was first established can farm isk etc without the fear of lossing a district. How does that Corp learn any sort of risk verse reward? Also on a curious note, how do we know that dystopian isn't being ran by Sver and collecting a paycheck? After all is was Sver we fought the two matches, not dystopian. Seems to me that the idea is literally broken. That's exactly what fightclub is meant for....it is meant for the ability to have battles without the risk of losing a district. Since there, is no contract system like in older builds....you have to attack districts in order to have regular battles. I would say that fightclub is more geared for organized corps than unorganized corps. Alliances mean nothing on that planet and people just scrim each other. But there are low skilled corps there who may want to practice or have "friendly" battles as well, so that is why they are on fightclub.
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers EoN. 1003	Posted - 2013.08.01 16:13:00 - [104] - Quote well yet another idea to expand on this.. is to make oddeluf all the little guys or corps that are not in PC. lets face it. fight club is a great idea, and its full of many corps to give some great battles, but only a few are actually using it. We have used it once so far, playing a couple great matches with Burgezz! but most the districts on that planet are 'online' most the time with few clones moved. Ive also seen firsthand that some corps breaking the simple rules as it is... using clones from oddeluf to attack outside that planet u know who you are, and if you should lose your land over it, well that's what you get for not complying with such a simple rule. I think fight club can be better. it took a long time just to get it to where it is now, and hats off to all involved in getting that done (Sha and SI had a large part in this) but its time the scene is reviewed and addressed. nice thing is we don't have to rely on devs for this so it can actually get done with a decent turnaround :P
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. League of Infamy 775	Posted - 2013.08.01 16:14:00 - [105] - Quote Well we'll take a spot and actually use it the right way.
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers EoN. 1003	Posted - 2013.08.01 16:25:00 - [106] - Quote well I will begin to monitor it closely and see who has not been doing anything other than farming isk, and arrange to get the land and get it to you... peacefully or otherwise cause I would personally like to see a lot more activity on the largest planet in MH than it currently is
843 Epidemic Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 3	Posted - 2013.08.01 16:26:00 - [107] - Quote Fight club is a great thing, and Burgezz ETF have been enjoying the fights so far. It's nice because even when faced with teams such as Teamplayers, (and we actually are going against Internal error. tonight) we know that we can put aside worries about ISK, reputation, Alliances and wars and losing land and clones because none of that is really an issue. It means we can sit back, and prepare and enjoy some good fights and train ourselves better. We've had wins and losses on our district, and we are having fun above all else, and as weird as it may sound that's the point of ******* video games! As far as 'indie' goes and tiering corps? It's difficult because there are so many variables, and everything gets kinda subjective. I don't know how you'd define Burgezz E.T.F, whether we are 'indie' or not. But all I can say is we are a veteran clan, with a handful of exprienced players, that are not in an alliance and work off the sweat of our own muscle 100% of the time. Does that make us indie or what? I mean, I don't care what we're classed as because we are what we are but I'm trying to get to grips of what kind of corp we're classed as to others. - BANE
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers EoN. 1004	Posted - 2013.08.01 16:34:00 - [108] - Quote well the whole thing is we are trying to retire the term 'indie' altogether, and moving toward a tiered system in the proposed tier system I would easily place you guys in the mid level tier. more than capable of holding your own, more experienced and skilled than many of the new small corps out there, but not quite on that level with some, not to say that's not possible at all, but I see upward of 70% of all corps being in this tier if there was something like this in place could be a lot less if I looked into it closely as there are a number of the low tier corps. I just know the top tier corps would be a very small percentage. either way yes, Burgezz is taking full advantage of fight club, and if everyone did what they're doing I think the overall bitterness in this community would significantly decrease
843 Epidemic Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 4	Posted - 2013.08.01 16:44:00 - [109] - Quote Ahh I follow you now, I would have classed us in a middle tier over-all also, and we're happy to be there! PC is tricky, because on one hand us FPS players, and with such a tiny community on Dust, need an element of fair. We don't want to get stomped by the big fish but we want to be able to swim in the same pond. At the moment that pond is Molden Heath, a small pond, but room enough for I think every corp worth their salt to have a good crack at it. I think this tier system could work very well, and middle/lower tier corps having a degree of respect from top tier corps is essential, but it cannot be used as a complete shield, this is New Eden, after all, and pretty much anything goes. - BANE
Twisted202 Ancient Exiles Negative-Feedback 274	Posted - 2013.08.01 16:51:00 - [110] - Quote Let PC be PC stop trying to regulate.

21yrOld Knight 187. 43	Posted - 2013.08.01 16:57:00 - [111] - Quote Twisted202 wrote: Let PC be PC stop trying to regulate. The thing is that Eon. can regulate they have the power. I don't understand why they are. It looks to me though it is giving them a higher power in dust. One that could control dust for a long time. Its probally not a bad thing though
843 Epidemic Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 4	Posted - 2013.08.01 17:06:00 - [112] - Quote It's easy to say 'Let PC be PC' for someone apart of Negative-Feedback but if that happened then it would just be the handful of pro corps steamrolling everything and stomping everyone. If you want to survive as a corp, the game has to survive, and the game won't survive if there aren't viable opportunities for the large majority of corporations.
Twisted202 Ancient Exiles Negative-Feedback 274	Posted - 2013.08.01 17:20:00 - [113] - Quote EON controls Molden Heath, yes. But, if they want to become the (Self proclaimed)police/authority they can and they can have corps under police protection. I wouldn't be surprised if these small corps were taxed. It does give small corps a chance but if small corps can't survive they shouldn't be in PC. Even corps that are experienced and big are not in PC. Why should small corps have land over other corps? Let EON try to be Rome, they will fall.
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers EoN. 1008	Posted - 2013.08.02 13:11:00 - [114] - Quote this has nothing to do with anyone trying to 'control' anyone. Its trying to get this insanely large player base to create a universal definition on something that has become a very large gray area in this game. hence the title: 'Productive Topic' I know Twisted, if the topic doesn't say 'Potato' it just doesn't register for you let me try to break it down P-O-T-A-T-O ok now you might understand the topic of the thread
Mechoj Nomreps Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 83	Posted - 2013.08.02 13:21:00 - [115] - Quote Fight club is real fun, we do a lot of batles on our district and almost lost it to WTF due some misunderstanding on their side. We also use it for 1v1 fights and LAV death racing. Great fun
Soraya Xel New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 223	Posted - 2013.08.02 14:04:00 - [116] - Quote Fight Club activity is something we should be ramping up shortly. As some of you might have noticed, we were a bit overwhelmed on the other side of Molden Heath, so practice matches had to take a back seat. :/ We're working on scheduling a fight today.
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 168	Posted - 2013.08.02 14:39:00 - [117] - Quote 843 Epidemic wrote: Fight club is a great thing, and Burgezz ETF have been enjoying the fights so far. It's nice because even when faced with teams such as Teamplayers, (and we actually are going against Internal error. tonight) we know that we can put aside worries about ISK, reputation, Alliances and wars and losing land and clones because none of that is really an issue. It means we can sit back, and prepare and enjoy some good fights and train ourselves better. We've had wins and losses on our district, and we are having fun above all else, and as weird as it may sound that's the point of ******* video games! As far as 'indie' goes and tiering corps? It's difficult because there are so many variables, and everything gets kinda subjective. I don't know how you'd define Burgezz E.T.F, whether we are 'indie' or not. But all I can say is we are a veteran clan, with a handful of exprienced players, that are not in an alliance and work off the sweat of our own muscle 100% of the time. Does that make us indie or what? I mean, I don't care what we're classed as because we are what we are but I'm trying to get to grips of what kind of corp we're classed as to others. - BANE I couldn't agree more. Se\7eN has been very active on PFC, and we've enjoyed every single match, even the ones we've been steam rolled. Cubs, I'm happy that you started this thread and are keeping it productive. In my opinion, it is essential for everyone that wants to partake in PC have the ability to. It makes no sense to have a piece of a video game that is not available for all to experience. I like the tiered approach, but it will be extremely difficult to keep up-to-date and consistent. And simply based on some of the responses on this thread, I have little faith that everyone will be able to abide by the definitions and rules laid out, but PFC has proven that--on a small scale--everyone can work together to have fun.
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers EoN. 1008	Posted - 2013.08.02 15:11:00 - [118] - Quote well 1 potential option would be to make oddeluf the designated low/mid tier land from what ive seen the 'fight club' notion seems to be sticking, as I haven't seen any lands changing hands in the same regard, almost half the lands there are not being used at all Nyain san, Cronos as well as most of eon districts are doing nothing. might be a good discussion to open up these districts to more individual lower tier corps to have the good fights that some of you are definitely experiencing Altbrard remains a low/middle tier area with heavy activity, but that is playing for keeps (1 district still available there btw ) Osvetur has turned into a cluster f*ck, but in the same light 14 districts spread to only 4 corps, indie or not is going to bring attention especially when it was marketed as an 'indie' planet PFC is a great idea, and has shown to be a good thing in many regards, but I think we can further enhance the experience of the community at large. the problem is we cant designate more land for the low/middle tier corps they are more than welcome to get the land, but all too many have mistakenly thought the entire community would honor the fact they are low/middle tier whereas we then run into the issue of corps thinking they are top tier and at the same time don't give 2 $h1ts that you are not on their level. they just want the land. cant blame em but that is why we are discussing it and trying to decide whats best for PC in including everyone
Soraya Xel New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 224	Posted - 2013.08.02 15:27:00 - [119] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: Osvetur has turned into a cluster f*ck, but in the same light 14 districts spread to only 4 corps, indie or not is going to bring attention especially when it was marketed as an 'indie' planet Heh, no kidding. I spent like the last week without a real life. ;) We were going to spread them to more corps, but didn't really get the time. Such is life in New Eden. ;)
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. 168	Posted - 2013.08.02 15:44:00 - [120] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: well 1 potential option would be to make oddeluf the designated low/mid tier land from what ive seen the 'fight club' notion seems to be sticking, as I haven't seen any lands changing hands in the same regard, almost half the lands there are not being used at all Nyain san, Cronos as well as most of eon districts are doing nothing. might be a good discussion to open up these districts to more individual lower tier corps to have the good fights that some of you are definitely experiencing Altbrard remains a low/middle tier area with heavy activity, but that is playing for keeps (1 district still available there btw ) Osvetur has turned into a cluster f*ck, but in the same light 14 districts spread to only 4 corps, indie or not is going to bring attention especially when it was marketed as an 'indie' planet PFC is a great idea, and has shown to be a good thing in many regards, but I think we can further enhance the experience of the community at large. the problem is we cant designate more land for the low/middle tier corps they are more than welcome to get the land, but all too many have mistakenly thought the entire community would honor the fact they are low/middle tier whereas we then run into the issue of corps thinking they are top tier and at the same time don't give 2 $h1ts that you are not on their level. they just want the land. cant blame em but that is why we are discussing it and trying to decide whats best for PC in including everyone Cubs, the only problem I see is that with something like PFC--without the threat of losing districts--there should be more battles between all the tiers. I don't want the top tier corps/alliances to leave because those battles are where we--for example--learn the most. 187. is definitely well, well, well above Se\7eN in the tiered system. However bad we got stomped, though, we learned more than ever before. I, personally, don't want to lose that. I still struggle with the true purpose of this game or with PC. I think if I understood that basic element, then I could attempt at coming up with relevant solutions. Some people think the purpose of this game is to have competitive games and have fun. Others think it's to farm imaginary money. And even a smaller few think it's about winning some imaginary award in an imaginary universe in a video game for trolling threads.



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