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Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2013.07.31 17:30:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:One of the options with a three tier distinction would be the ability for a corp to fall back down, but not all the way. For instance:
Low Tier: New, inexperienced, entering PC. Once you leave low tier, you aren't coming back.
Mid Tier: Stable, less competitive. As a corp or alliance, capable of fielding full teams, and winning against other midtier corps. Collapsed top tier alliances and corps might also now be classed here.
Top Tier: Those who would pubstomp any Mid Tier or Low Tier corps or alliances they attacked. Highly competitive, large territory is likely or possible.
This is probably a good start and to get rid of the word indie. Because I see some "indie" vet corps attacking other low skilled indie corps and hiding behind that.
Now, with this classification....you can place corps respectively and have "unwritten rules". So, for example you wouldn't attack a corp that is in a lower tier than you are. Otherwise, be subject to being bumped up a tier and open for attack from a higher tier.
Personally, I don't take pride in attacking "low tier" corps because they may be redline matches and offer no learning experience and cause you to slack if real competition launches against you. I, don't even take pride in attacking a vet corp that would give us the same no experience. I feel that midtier and low tier corps shouldn't even ask for ringers from top tier corps. We can say that to tier corps shouldn't accept but if they are deciding to be mercs and a contract was issued.....it is really hard to argue with that.
Low/mid tier corps should keep the fights amongst themselves until they feel they are ready to attack the big boys.
Then again it is the issue of players wanting fights and there aren't that many corps out that can give an enjoyable fight to some of the top tier corps. Don't have an answer for that about other corps. For us, I will say that if RND launches an attack on a low/mid tier corp......it won't be for the district. It will be a win/win because we'll get the ISK payout and they will get experience and to keep their district. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.31 17:33:00 -
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Chris F2112 wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Rogatien Merc:
New Eden's Most Wanted is 33 players, with never more than 6 or 7 online at the same time, and you place us on the same pedestal as Molon Labe.? I mean, we're making progress, I'm proud of our team. B
Realistically, in New Eden, there should not be any special considerations given to anyone, everyone should torch everyone else, and such and such. Sandbox. The problem is, unlike EVE, DUST has a sandbox with no sand, that we've all roughly figured out becomes no fun if we use it as intended.
This discussion shouldn't be necessary. But it is. Because CCP sucks. If you only have 6 or 7 online at the same time, why would you ever think you can hold a district? You shouldn't even be in PC if you can't field even half a team for any of your battles. I have a lot of respect for S.e.V.e.N. for fielding most of their own players. And I understand needing help every once in a while, it's unavoidable. But if you need over half a team of fill-ins every battle that should be a hint that you don't belong in PC.
Well, if they are in an alliance and can field 16 for their battle from their alliance....then it should be fine. What I don't like to see is unaligned corps that are getting free districts that can't field 8 players. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.01 06:16:00 -
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Jodi Breez wrote:Today MSF attacked dystopian Corp, after beating them the previous night, to find them yet again with only 5 of their Corp members (same as the previous night) and the rest STB. Right before the match started (in the war barge) dystopian member then proceeded to leave and more SVER came to tally a whopping 15 total.
Now I understand we are mercs etc etc BUT what is the purpose of this so called fight club, if corps who want to compete with other corps within their same "class" aren't even fighting the corps that own the district?
If MSF wanted to fight Sver, we would have attacked SVER not dystopian.
Also there are many implications to this system that are troublesome. Let me explain. If a Corp owns a district for X amount of time, clone reserves build up. An attacking Corp, who doesn't own a district, buys a clone pack that contains 100 max clones. If attacking Corp wins their match, they can attack again the next day with another clone pack. So to successfully take the district, the attacking Corp MUST grind down the clones day by day until they are depleted BUT in our example today, BIG CORP comes in defeating attacking corp which causes a lock out for 24 hrs before attacking Corp can launch again. Defending Corp receives 2 reinforcement timers tallying 160 clones at the very least. So you can see how this doesn't go well for the attacking Corp and ultimately becomes a massive waste of resources for them.
So if EON or whoever are going to continue trying to implement a continued "fight club" for the smaller corps, they will need to police what goes on. If an attacking Corp shows proof that a defending Corp is not participating in how this club is suppose to run, "Eon" needs to step in and remove the defending Corp from their district and Can then sell it off once acquired back into their hands.
Hold on...lol...4 dystopian members left the battle for STB on fightclub?? Fightclub is supposed to be fighting corps on that planet and not for ISK farming. You can farm ISK on your own districts outside of fightclub.
But to be honest, MSF, you aren't supposed to take the district from dystopia either. If you attacked them once and won on the fightclub planet, then you are supposed to leave them alone. If you want to fight them again, then you wait until their clones have accumulated and launch. So, if you guys were trying to take the district from dystopia, then I don't blame them for getting people to defend it for them. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.01 12:01:00 -
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RuckingFetard wrote:So, BHD classifies as a sucky Corp, amirite?
Where would you classify BHD? I haven't seen you guys in battle much....just heard from forum talk about your ROFL fights and the Warriors video. So, if I had to guess....I would classify you guys as Medium Tier.
But this is one way to determine one's tier. If you are at a level, where you can beat the corps in a specific tier, then you are classified in a higher tier.
If you are in a tier where all or nearly all of the corps are dominating you, then you are in a lower tier.
Edit: but that's just considering skill. If your corp's members have been around and established with at least 10Msp, then your corp should be considered a vet corp. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.01 16:07:00 -
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Jodi Breez wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Jodi Breez wrote:Today MSF attacked dystopian Corp, after beating them the previous night, to find them yet again with only 5 of their Corp members (same as the previous night) and the rest STB. Right before the match started (in the war barge) dystopian member then proceeded to leave and more SVER came to tally a whopping 15 total.
Now I understand we are mercs etc etc BUT what is the purpose of this so called fight club, if corps who want to compete with other corps within their same "class" aren't even fighting the corps that own the district?
If MSF wanted to fight Sver, we would have attacked SVER not dystopian.
Also there are many implications to this system that are troublesome. Let me explain. If a Corp owns a district for X amount of time, clone reserves build up. An attacking Corp, who doesn't own a district, buys a clone pack that contains 100 max clones. If attacking Corp wins their match, they can attack again the next day with another clone pack. So to successfully take the district, the attacking Corp MUST grind down the clones day by day until they are depleted BUT in our example today, BIG CORP comes in defeating attacking corp which causes a lock out for 24 hrs before attacking Corp can launch again. Defending Corp receives 2 reinforcement timers tallying 160 clones at the very least. So you can see how this doesn't go well for the attacking Corp and ultimately becomes a massive waste of resources for them.
So if EON or whoever are going to continue trying to implement a continued "fight club" for the smaller corps, they will need to police what goes on. If an attacking Corp shows proof that a defending Corp is not participating in how this club is suppose to run, "Eon" needs to step in and remove the defending Corp from their district and Can then sell it off once acquired back into their hands. Hold on...lol...4 dystopian members left the battle for STB on fightclub?? Fightclub is supposed to be fighting corps on that planet and not for ISK farming. You can farm ISK on your own districts outside of fightclub. But to be honest, MSF, you aren't supposed to take the district from dystopia either. If you attacked them once and won on the fightclub planet, then you are supposed to leave them alone. If you want to fight them again, then you wait until their clones have accumulated and launch. So, if you guys were trying to take the district from dystopia, then I don't blame them for getting people to defend it for them. Wait a MIN. We were under the impression that the club was a place where unorganized corps could fight other unorganized corps to participate in PC just like the larger more organized corps. This would mean that taking a district, being able to own a district and then defend said district would all be part of the learning process so said corps could grow and then compete against larger corps creating a larger pool of experienced players. What you are implying is that corps who would like to enter this realm can never own a district as they cannot take one from another fight club Corp. Which also means that corps who have already bought/given a district when fight club was first established can farm isk etc without the fear of lossing a district. How does that Corp learn any sort of risk verse reward? Also on a curious note, how do we know that dystopian isn't being ran by Sver and collecting a paycheck? After all is was Sver we fought the two matches, not dystopian. Seems to me that the idea is literally broken.
That's exactly what fightclub is meant for....it is meant for the ability to have battles without the risk of losing a district. Since there, is no contract system like in older builds....you have to attack districts in order to have regular battles.
I would say that fightclub is more geared for organized corps than unorganized corps. Alliances mean nothing on that planet and people just scrim each other. But there are low skilled corps there who may want to practice or have "friendly" battles as well, so that is why they are on fightclub. |
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