I mean, if that is the way we're going to go about things, how much? I'm interested in the specifics. I've been thinking about this for a while and kept forgetting to ask, but reading that forge nerf thread made me remember and i'll just forget if I don't do it now.

Any super tankers around to give me an estimate? Before the vehicle balance patch rolls in and makes it irrelevant?

Honestly this is a FPS and not world of Tanks, I want Tanks to be in this game but your suggestion makes no sense for a FPS. Every weapon that is only countered by itself is a source of imbalance. So honestly no.

This is nearly impossible to balance in a 16vs 16 Team based match. If this become true Tanks would be unstoppable just throw in 3 Tanks that would force the entire opposing team to focus on AV leaving your Team with 13 people to murder the other teams AV = instant win....

shield tank- 4500 shield 1500 armor, 2100 pg and 500 cpu and 8 high slots and 5 low slots...

So this ratio would mean in a PC match the only viable counter to a tank is another tank. And that would be imbalanced...

You talk about 16v16 pub stomps, well where we're the tankers on the other team. Maybe getting pub stomped is what is needed to get some people to skill into the proper 1v1 counter to tanks.

@Jack McReady

Looked up your kdr scrub. 1.5 kd with 1500 kill. Now why don't you come back and talk to me when you get in to your big by pants.

If you want a tank that requires 3 people with proto AV to bring down, then it needs to be banned from public matches. Some teams might not even HAVE that much AV available, and if it takes 1/4th of a teams strength to counter 1 person, you have a SERIOUS balance issue.

I'm a sneaky, win at all costs Proto AV player and there's some tanks that even I can't take down(Usually, when there are more than one on the field and they are working together). Beefing tanks up will make the great players truly unstoppable, and the crappy ones super hard to kill.

Tank strength should not be the single largest deciding factor in how much AV it takes to kill - player skill should be.

Honestly this is a FPS and not world of Tanks, I want Tanks to be in this game but your suggestion makes no sense for a FPS. Every weapon that is only countered by itself is a source of imbalance. So honestly no.

You are well on your way to replacing The Great and Powerful Charlotte O'Dell is the most vocal tanker on the forums. I'm so proud of you :')

This kid's only argument is KD/R ...even though it means **** to a tanker scrub pre uprising,....since they were OP since dust was released.

This is so funny.

Many HAV pilots appear to want "I win" buttons that AV is no threat to. So if the cries of the forged infantry wanting to not be able to be shot by forgers, and the cries of the AVed HAV/DS pilots who want their vehicles to be almost immune to AV are heeded, there would be no AV in the game at all as, in the end, it would be ineffective against everything but LAVs. Then tankers would thumb their noses at everyone else and say "This is the way it is, this game must be about HAVs as they have no effective counter but other HAVs and installations. Learn to drive one.".

Others want to make a number of AV players required to take their desired GOD vehicle down. How do would that work? No damage unless struck by X number of AV weapons within 0.2 seconds? Hmm. Then to balance that out better make an HAV inoperable without a full crew compliment.

When it takes 4 to 6 shots with my proto forge to crack an HAV, and they actually manage to escape most of the time, then you've realistically got nothing to complain about.

Now don't get me wrong, I do feel that you HAV pilots do need your proto hulls, I just don't believe they should be god machines that fear nothing but other HAVs and installations.

1 undistracted dedicated AV player should be able to take out a tank.
1 Standard AV vs. 1 Standard Tank
1 Proto AV vs. 1 Proto Tank

As unfair as this might seem to a tanker cost wise, running AV leaves the user vulnerable to infantry.
People always think of the infantry being supported by the tank, but it works both ways.
You need to have your infantry focus on taking out AV just as much as they are focusing on taking out your tank.
A tank is cover, mobility, and raw power, but it shouldn't be unstoppable even at the highest levels.

The problem comes from Tanks being so crucial in battle, and being such a great help for their team, but having all the costs carried by one person, leaving it neglected by most of the rest of the team. This is where a corp needs to fund a tanker for PC. Reducing the cost of tanks would only lead to tank spam.