Well I'm a cal logi player.

I'm not such a tryhard that I run a single nanohive and thats it. I've filled my equipment slots in every single fitting.

My standard CB or "most competitive" fit for those occational hard pub games has been;

- Proto Uplink
- Proto Medkit
- Proto nanohive

4 extenders and 1 recharger

Duvolle AR
Core nades

Proto CPU uppgrade
Proto PG uppgrade (Edit: not sure if proto or enh.)
Proto green stamina thingy
Basic armor plate



This is a combat/support hybrid fitting. Not really a match against a well specced proto assault suit, but not so bad that I can't stay in and fight and do some damage.

Keeping everything the same is not a viable option. I feel that I sort of have to fit at least one shield regulator, just to get the benefit of the new racial bonus, so my armor plate is thereby lost. And together with the racial bonus I lose 65+ 66 shields equals - 131 HP, taking my suit down from 752 HP down to roughly 615 HP. This change I don't have a problem with, although I'm not especially fond of the new racial bonus...

Its the loss of CPU that worries me. I haven't run the numbers, but I highly doubt I can keep the same fitting as mentioned above.

So where do I reduce the tier of my modules to find a fitting that works? I don't really see using 2 CPU upgrades as an alternative.

Do I put on a GEK? - No, I'm not gonna come with a vanilla gek vs assaults running Duvolles with 2 damage mods...
Do I get a smaller nade? - No, as a logi I don't have a sidearm and I'll keep the weapons I have...
Will I reduce my tank or stamina? No way, not in a million years!

So what is left? Yes its that proto equipment.... I might have to remove it or reduce it down a tier or two.

So in effect; the patch that is supposed to make me more of a Logi and less of an assault player, will perhaps have the exact opposite effect, not a smart move IMO.

+1 I too have said IF things gotta leave my fitting so I can fit it all the first will be my support equipment.

That's because you're an Assault player Babar, don't kid yourself. You spec'd into a Logistic Suit with the intention of being a killer as well as logistic support. DUST is meant to be about choices, this suit lets me be a killer or a very very good logi, but if you sacrifice the prototype logistic gear, then you can find a good medium ground.

Then obviously your number one concern is killing reds, not supporting your team.

So by killing reds I am not supporting the team? Your logic is flawed...

Letting go of the Duvolle would pretty much equalize the CPU reduction and allow you to keep most of the rest as it is. Without damage mods you loose a few meters of range and about 6% in damage. Not exactly worth it if you're not going to focus on doing maximum damage.

If you want to prioritize dmg and tank over logistics you can still do that. The changes just made it so that you can't get away with both combat and logistics capabilities at the same time.

A focused logistics would ask "what do i have to change if i want my equipment stay as strong as possible"
You are asking yourself "what do i have to change if i want my tank/gank stay as strong as possible"

Before the changes everyone was like "proto ALL THE THINGS" and that was a big part of the issue.

Make logi suits like logi ships in EvE, force logi players to actually be logi by removing weapon slots. Give logi suits dedicated slots for rep-tools with appropriate bonuses towards suits/vehicles/installations and reward them properly with WP.

My alt would happily lose the weapon in favour of pure logi plus bonuses and rewards.

If that's what you want to do then go assault not logistics, your logic in suit choice is flawed.

Seriously?

No..... I mean..... seriously?

This is such a stupid statements on so many levels I find it hard to take it seriously...

Ask ANY medic in ANY army today if they wanna run into a combat zone without a pistol and other weapons backing them up!

CCP: We need to be able to give -1 to posts....

Yes seriously, this is New Eden not 21st century Earth! Clearly you have no clue how logistics works in New Eden. Logi keeps the frontline alive, they are not supposed to be dealing damage. The current dust logi is a bastardisation of assault and logi and yes I'm guilty of capitalising on that.

A logi with an insane tank and support from multiple logis would give a new dimension to dust, its only people like you that want the best of all worlds.

So Logistics can't be used for killing? You're a joke...

Yes seriously, this is New Eden not 21st century Earth! Clearly you have no clue how logistics works in New Eden. Logi keeps the frontline alive, they are not supposed to be dealing damage. The current dust logi is a bastardisation of assault and logi and yes I'm guilty of capitalising on that.

A logi with an insane tank and support from multiple logis would give a new dimension to dust, its only people like you that want the best of all worlds.

So Logistics can't be used for killing? You're a joke...

The first thought in my head when I read the list was "Probably downgrade on proto weapons and grenade. It's a logistics suit. Duh."

Then when I saw "combat/support hybrid" I thought "Hybrids don't usually have the best of everything."

Then I saw the reasons for not reducing weapons and thought "It's a logistics suit. Sounds like you want to be more assault than anything."

Then I read the bit with reducing prototype equipment and thought "Well there you go. You can still support your team, albeit less effectively, and can be the assault you want to be. Why, it almost sounds like a hybrid."

Then I read the last, bold bit and thought "No, it made you choose between being a slayer or a top-notch support instead of being a master of all trades. You have made your decision."

You're not making your case any better...

This is an FPS. First Person SHOOTER! Why would I wanna run around in a suit that has no weapon slots?

And the New Eden argument is really getting old. This IS NOT a space point-and-click game!!! The games may share the same backdrop but that is it.

It's the Eve-tards that have ****** this game up anyway. Already having the ears of CCP, they lobbied for their views and got the wrong bits of Eve into Dust.

This is a game where you CANNOT warp out of danger in the middle of the match, unless you quit the game.

This is a game where you CANNOT carry drones or other modules that can shoot back at the enemy.

A logistics ship in Eve can still do their bit, they are not toothless. Yet you want the Logi in Dust to run around completely defenseless running against all logic.

This is a SHOOTER not a space point-and-click game!!!

Well I'm a cal logi player.

I'm not such a tryhard that I run a single nanohive and thats it. I've filled my equipment slots in every single fitting.

My standard CB or "most competitive" fit for those occational hard pub games has been;

- Proto Uplink
- Proto Medkit
- Proto nanohive

4 extenders and 1 recharger

Duvolle AR
Core nades

Proto CPU uppgrade
Proto PG uppgrade (Edit: not sure if proto or enh.)
Proto green stamina thingy
Basic armor plate



This is a combat/support hybrid fitting. Not really a match against a well specced proto assault suit, but not so bad that I can't stay in and fight and do some damage.

Keeping everything the same is not a viable option. I feel that I sort of have to fit at least one shield regulator, just to get the benefit of the new racial bonus, so my armor plate is thereby lost. And together with the racial bonus I lose 65+ 66 shields equals - 131 HP, taking my suit down from 752 HP down to roughly 615 HP. This change I don't have a problem with, although I'm not especially fond of the new racial bonus...

Its the loss of CPU that worries me. I haven't run the numbers, but I highly doubt I can keep the same fitting as mentioned above.

So where do I reduce the tier of my modules to find a fitting that works? I don't really see using 2 CPU upgrades as an alternative.

Do I put on a GEK? - No, I'm not gonna come with a vanilla gek vs assaults running Duvolles with 2 damage mods...
Do I get a smaller nade? - No, as a logi I don't have a sidearm and I'll keep the weapons I have...
Will I reduce my tank or stamina? No way, not in a million years!

So what is left? Yes its that proto equipment.... I might have to remove it or reduce it down a tier or two.

So in effect; the patch that is supposed to make me more of a Logi and less of an assault player, will perhaps have the exact opposite effect, not a smart move IMO.

I think these Cal logi whiners need to fit a proto assault to see just how well off they are.

Even with the CPU nerf you all still have more versatility than Assault.

Wow someone who is actually smart? +1 for knowing more than one suit

They should have removed a high slot from the CaLogi suit, and balanced CPU/PG because of that. It would have forced people to think about being a logistics even more, since shield AND damage tanking wouldn't be that viable at the same time anymore.

Right now you can still shield and damage tank quite well. The ability to be a killer hasn't been dealt with.

So what am I left with. Supporting the team or killing and staying alive? EVERY logistics player should ALWAYS go for killing and staying alive first. If you wanna argue this matter, feel free, I'm up for it. The simple answer is "you can't help anyone if you're dead."

So yeah, I'm gonna keep my tanking and all that and sacrifice proto logistics equipment to be able to still fit my things. Because after all, I wouldn't be a good logi if I am bleeding out on the ground...

LOL, you have zero clue about EvE logi ships, if you did you would know that logi ships can't carry weapons if all the high slots are filled with rep mods.

And all he wanted to say with his post was that this change to the logi suit is gonna have the OPPOSITE effect of what CCP intended.

Fair enough, someone write me up a proto assault setup.

Edit: give me a tanked cal assault fit, I'd really like to know....

Maybe not you who wants to be an assault guy in a logi suit, but I'm sure there are others that take logistics seriously and would sacrifice offence in favour of defence.

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Yeah right, as a 5 year vet of EvE I can tell you now, all EvE players are worried about is how much Dust will mess up the economy. Sure there are a few that could worry about how planets will affect their game play, but thats about it.

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LOL, you have zero clue about EvE logi ships, if you did you would know that logi ships can't carry weapons if all the high slots are filled with rep mods.

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Give the logi an insane tank. Sure it will be abused by some who will run explosives or something, but having a true logi is still appealing.

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Yeah, because we want another CoD, BF or other run of the mill FPS...

Only because he is misunderstanding what (I believe) CCP intended in the first place.

He assumes that the intent was to limit the suit to Logi only when, in reality, it was to force/allow us to choose one role or the other, while limiting it enough to not be used as both simultaneously.

Choices, not limitations.

As mentioned above, these skill changes are largely to discourage assault-focused players from using the Logistics suit as their frontline choice.

Fair enough, someone write me up a proto assault setup.

Edit: give me a tanked cal assault fit, I'd really like to know....

if I max out PG CPU etc. The following is a possible fitting - tanking - caldari assault. Everyone can now tell me I am doing it wrong....

480hp shield
242 armour

3 complex extenders
1 complex recharger

enhanced armour plate
complex CPU upgrade
basic armour repairer

Duvolle
Ishukone smg
Core locus

pick one of the following:

level 4 nanohive
level 1 remote
level 1 drop link

drop down to an M1 to fit level 4 droplink

I could drop the Ishukone down but I picked assault cause of the sidearm.

Wow! This is actuallly a lot better than I thought.

Personally I would lose the enhanced plate in favor of more speed and a basic armor plate. This will give you room for a proto equipment most likely...

You still get:

+ more tank
+ faster shield regen
+ faster move speed
+ faster run speed
+ quicker strafing
+ twice the amount of stamina/recharge
+ its cheaper
+ sidearm

- slower armor rep
- 2 equipment slots
- its not as versatile


I'm fairly confident that i could build a better suit suited for combat with todays numbers by using an assault suit, compared to my hybrid fitting mentioned in OP.

My points still stands. And here I thought that the Cal Logi was superior to the assault for combat use, what a load of BS.

Wow! This is actuallly a lot better than I thought.

Personally I would lose the enhanced plate in favor of more speed and a basic armor plate. This will give you room for a proto equipment most likely...

You still get:

+ more tank
+ faster shield regen
+ faster move speed
+ faster run speed
+ quicker strafing
+ twice the amount of stamina/recharge
+ its cheaper
+ sidearm

- slower armor rep
- 2 equipment slots
- its not as versatile


I'm fairly confident that i could build a better suit suited for combat with todays numbers by using an assault suit, compared to my hybrid fitting mentioned in OP.

My points still stands. And here I thought that the Cal Logi was superior to the assault for combat use, what a load of BS.

Source: http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/07/logistics-dropsuit-changes-in-uprising-1.3



They wanna limit, not give choices. And that is where CCP is making a mistake I think.

Make logi suits like logi ships in EvE, force logi players to actually be logi by removing weapon slots. Give logi suits dedicated slots for rep-tools with appropriate bonuses towards suits/vehicles/installations and reward them properly with WP.

My alt would happily lose the weapon in favour of pure logi plus bonuses and rewards.

your comparision is flawed thus all your arguments are null and void. logi ships in eve are durable and remote reps have huge range on them. a group of remote repping logis can sit back, do their job and repair themself each other when required. a repping and reviving logi in dust doing his job is constantly exposing himself to enemy fire and most of the time out of range of other logis at the front line. additionally remote repping isnt as strong in dust as it is in eve.

Oh, sorry, let me clarify... When I said Eve-tards I didn't mean those who stay in Eve and don't care about Dust. I mean those who come into Dust and think they are entitled to being heard in matters of a shooter simply because they've played Eve. Sorry, but to me that sounds like the argument that you should run a music shop, because you know how to whistle!

There is nothing stopping you from running as a GOOD logi right now! When the patch comes there will STILL be nothing stopping you from playing as the logi you want, but there WILL be issues stopping me from playing logi the way I want.

Just because you seem to prefer playing as the sheep at the slaughterhouse, you therefore want me to become the same toothless sheep...

Sorry carebear, but it's idiots like YOU who come from Eve to Dust that is ruining this game... thinking that using tried and tested methods in a shooter is gonna make it like CoD and BF. Giving Dust working game mechanics and dropsuits that have weapons on does NOT make it into CoD, sorry dude... But it WOULD make it into a game that might actually be more fun than frustrating to play.

So please, go back to space... or hell, play the super-logi you seem to love and stand there to soak bullets. I know I'll be wanting to shoot back.

Oh, sorry, let me clarify... When I said Eve-tards I didn't mean those who stay in Eve and don't care about Dust. I mean those who come into Dust and think they are entitled to being heard in matters of a shooter simply because they've played Eve. Sorry, but to me that sounds like the argument that you should run a music shop, because you know how to whistle!

There is nothing stopping you from running as a GOOD logi right now! When the patch comes there will STILL be nothing stopping you from playing as the logi you want, but there WILL be issues stopping me from playing logi the way I want.

Just because you seem to prefer playing as the sheep at the slaughterhouse, you therefore want me to become the same toothless sheep...

Sorry carebear, but it's idiots like YOU who come from Eve to Dust that is ruining this game... thinking that using tried and tested methods in a shooter is gonna make it like CoD and BF. Giving Dust working game mechanics and dropsuits that have weapons on does NOT make it into CoD, sorry dude... But it WOULD make it into a game that might actually be more fun than frustrating to play.

So please, go back to space... or hell, play the super-logi you seem to love and stand there to soak bullets. I know I'll be wanting to shoot back.

A well reasoned response

Yeah sure I've come from EvE, a game I love and company that has my respect for making Dust. The fact I've been playing Dust since Beta gives me the right to comment, not my 5 years of EvE. Clearly you don't like my suggestion, seems you're the only one in the thread scared of what I'm proposing.

Carebear, yeah right, did you hear that as a buzz word from some EvE player? You probably need to research the context before labelling people. As for the rest of the statement, you are single minded in how you perceive Dust should be played and can't see other options for what logis could be in the future.

To placate you, and maybe make you feel warm an fuzzy again, drop the light weapon and just have a sidearm slot, you can then Core Flaylock (even after the nerf) to your hearts content.

Not sure what I'll do, going to try various fittings until something works once I get the mega CPU/shield nerf. More than likely I'll be dropping 1 or 2 equipment from my rotation.

Hope you turkeys are happy, less ammo and/or uplinks for you on the field. I might even start running a troll logi suit, which revives you only so you can die again over and over and over (but I'll be shield/armor tanked and will survive). I'll also place hives somewhere you have to go out of your way to use, only to find out it's a garbage hive that gives you one nade and a handful of ammo.

Either way I'll figure out some way to make players lives miserable in pub matches. Turkeys need to be taught a lesson, and maybe even deep-fried too .

If you are that butthurt that you're hell bent on spreading your buthurtedness to all maybe you should just quit all together?

Fair enough, someone write me up a proto assault setup.

Edit: give me a tanked cal assault fit, I'd really like to know....

No one that I know would tank that **** lol when I'm on dust tomorrow ill send you my setup damn um today forgot I'm on graveyard lol

OP skilled into Cal logi because lol 5/4 slots layout and obv CPU/PG improvements over the assault suit which made it better in everyway while you get equip slots for nanohives and other things

Now he cant do both and QQ about it saying his role is broken which was being an assault tryhard in a logi suit

He stills trys to be an assault tryhard in a logi suit and how do we know this because he wont reduce his primary weapon, or get rid of lolcontact nades but he will get rid of the stuff in the equipment slots

1. I skilled into a cal logi cause it was obviously the most combat effective of the four logi suits. I initially couldn't stand losing that second equipment slot from my proto assault suit. I am first and foremost a team player, though it might not seem that way when I run around alone like a cowboy in pub games. I come from MAG where everyone carried a medkit, I didn't wanna lose it. In MAG we had a term for it, it was "elite O-holder", somone that can kill and stil push in on objectives, repair and so on.

2. Everyone seems to think that max HP is the only stat one can meassure a suit with, which is moronic. As a Cal logi I do fit a green stamina module and a shield recharger (90CPU!!!), this just to almost have the same stats as assault in regards to stamina and shield recharge. Take those two into the equation and the suit is more or less as good in terms of numbers as an assault suit. The the remaining difference is the faster speed and the ability to carry a sidearm vs the slower single weapon suit with more equipment. Seems pretty OK for me.

3. I am first and foremost a soldier. My job is to kill my enemies and **** their wives. While I do this, I like to support my team aswell. If someone will put in more fancy equipment at the cost of being less combat effective be my guest, in my boock that is called a carebear. Someone that does a job "supporting" his team, a job that requires no skill that any monkey can do, is someone I don't want on my team. Gungame is always king.

4. Contact nades? WTF? I've used some lately on a LOL lvl 1 scout suit fit, other than that I still keep to my Core Locus nades that is better 99% of the time.

5. I'm not saying that the suit didn't need a change, I made a post some time ago suggesting they removed a high slot, which would mean 87,5 less points of shields on it, which is a major change.

6. I specced into the suit, spending in effect a month of passive and active booster to get the SP, now its changed and I'm not given the choice to respec into something else. If i'd seen the true (the new stats) stats of the suit, I wuld most likely have specced into assault back then. I feel missled, its a bad way of handling from CCPs side. They make a misstake, and I have to pay for it, its moronic.

1. I skilled into a cal logi cause it was obviously the most combat effective of the four logi suits. I initially couldn't stand losing that second equipment slot from my proto assault suit. I am first and foremost a team player, though it might not seem that way when I run around alone like a cowboy in pub games. I come from MAG where everyone carried a medkit, I didn't wanna lose it. In MAG we had a term for it, it was "elite O-holder", somone that can kill and stil push in on objectives, repair and so on.

2. Everyone seems to think that max HP is the only stat one can meassure a suit with, which is moronic. As a Cal logi I do fit a green stamina module and a shield recharger (90CPU!!!), this just to almost have the same stats as assault in regards to stamina and shield recharge. Take those two into the equation and the suit is more or less as good in terms of numbers as an assault suit. The the remaining difference is the faster speed and the ability to carry a sidearm vs the slower single weapon suit with more equipment. Seems pretty OK for me.

3. I am first and foremost a soldier. My job is to kill my enemies and **** their wives. While I do this, I like to support my team aswell. If someone will put in more fancy equipment at the cost of being less combat effective be my guest, in my boock that is called a carebear. Someone that does a job "supporting" his team, a job that requires no skill that any monkey can do, is someone I don't want on my team. Gungame is always king.

4. Contact nades? WTF? I've used some lately on a LOL lvl 1 scout suit fit, other than that I still keep to my Core Locus nades that is better 99% of the time.

5. I'm not saying that the suit didn't need a change, I made a post some time ago suggesting they removed a high slot, which would mean 87,5 less points of shields on it, which is a major change.

6. I specced into the suit, spending in effect a month of passive and active booster to get the SP, now its changed and I'm not given the choice to respec into something else. If i'd seen the true (the new stats) stats of the suit, I wuld most likely have specced into assault back then. I feel missled, its a bad way of handling from CCPs side. They make a misstake, and I have to pay for it, its moronic.

1. I skilled into a cal logi cause it was obviously the most combat effective of the four logi suits. I initially couldn't stand losing that second equipment slot from my proto assault suit. I am first and foremost a team player, though it might not seem that way when I run around alone like a cowboy in pub games. I come from MAG where everyone carried a medkit, I didn't wanna lose it. In MAG we had a term for it, it was "elite O-holder", somone that can kill and stil push in on objectives, repair and so on.

2. Everyone seems to think that max HP is the only stat one can meassure a suit with, which is moronic. As a Cal logi I do fit a green stamina module and a shield recharger (90CPU!!!), this just to almost have the same stats as assault in regards to stamina and shield recharge. Take those two into the equation and the suit is more or less as good in terms of numbers as an assault suit. The the remaining difference is the faster speed and the ability to carry a sidearm vs the slower single weapon suit with more equipment. Seems pretty OK for me.

3. I am first and foremost a soldier. My job is to kill my enemies and **** their wives. While I do this, I like to support my team aswell. If someone will put in more fancy equipment at the cost of being less combat effective be my guest, in my boock that is called a carebear. Someone that does a job "supporting" his team, a job that requires no skill that any monkey can do, is someone I don't want on my team. Gungame is always king.

4. Contact nades? WTF? I've used some lately on a LOL lvl 1 scout suit fit, other than that I still keep to my Core Locus nades that is better 99% of the time.

5. I'm not saying that the suit didn't need a change, I made a post some time ago suggesting they removed a high slot, which would mean 87,5 less points of shields on it, which is a major change.

6. I specced into the suit, spending in effect a month of passive and active booster to get the SP, now its changed and I'm not given the choice to respec into something else. If i'd seen the true (the new stats) stats of the suit, I wuld most likely have specced into assault back then. I feel missled, its a bad way of handling from CCPs side. They make a misstake, and I have to pay for it, its moronic.

Its the same thing I've said all along.

There are probably a lot of changes between 1.4 - 2.0 that will be made to all of the classes. Its inevitable really.

CCP has a vision for what they want each class to be, and I'm sure that the classes are not meeting the mark at all.

Here's the problem for me. CCP keeps making changes (as they need to) and these changes affect a lot of people and can completely nullify choices that have been made.

It makes making 'meaningful decisions' impossible.

CCP should continue to make these changes, yes, definitely. But SP refund should be a matter of fact, period.

I know it kills immersion/the point of the game. But until we can get to a point where the devs are happy with the game... we need to stop pointing and laughing at people that are adversely affected by these changes.

No one will argue cal logis didn't need a change, but these kinds of changes are going to keep happening.

What if 'pure logi' gallenetes get swapped into side arm only? Should the rest of us just point and laugh at the millions of SP that they put into the suit and light weaponry?

Maybe gall logis needed the change to balance them out vs. scenario x, y, and z. And maybe a lot of people will be fine with the change... but a lot of people wont... and they will be royally ****** out of months of grinding.

Its not right.

Ignoring cal logi changes for a second... messing with people's skills and completely changing their playstyle when they have no means to adapt to the changes other than 'grind 6-10 weeks to catch back up, and buy some aurum gear... cause its a 'free' game after all! lulz!!!" is not a good way to treat your player base.

And to answer the OP:

I would drop down to the GEK probably on one fit and dropped some of the equipment on another fit. In PC the only thing you really need is proto uplinks.

I'm working on a build using Imperial Uplinks, Ishukone Nanos, and basic REs. But it'll be using basic nades, and a GEK for sure.

I'll defo be running assault next respec, these changes aren't over for sure. I can guarantee logis in general will be receiving further nerfs, the 5 hp/s will be the first to go I'm sure. Assaults will probably be seeing some buffs too.

The combat potential of each class will be receiving significant changes I'm sure of it.

For this reason, and this reason only, I would be ok with a ONE-TIME ONLY, OPTIONAL respec, but only when ALL the suits are finally where they want them to be.

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For this reason, and this reason only, I would be ok with a ONE-TIME ONLY, OPTIONAL respec, but only when ALL the suits are finally where they want them to be.

Support Roles such as logistics in Dust=Cannon Fodder lmao that's what eve tards want you to be.

If logi's were able to fix installations, vehicles CRU they wouldn't be in the front line fighting as much.

Give logi's things to do on the battle field like MAG nope eve tards want you to be cannon fodder lol.

Well I'm a cal logi player.

I'm not such a tryhard that I run a single nanohive and thats it. I've filled my equipment slots in every single fitting.

My standard CB or "most competitive" fit for those occational hard pub games has been;

- Proto Uplink
- Proto Medkit
- Proto nanohive

4 extenders and 1 recharger

Duvolle AR
Core nades

Proto CPU uppgrade
Proto PG uppgrade (Edit: not sure if proto or enh.)
Proto green stamina thingy
Basic armor plate



This is a combat/support hybrid fitting. Not really a match against a well specced proto assault suit, but not so bad that I can't stay in and fight and do some damage.

Keeping everything the same is not a viable option. I feel that I sort of have to fit at least one shield regulator, just to get the benefit of the new racial bonus, so my armor plate is thereby lost. And together with the racial bonus I lose 65+ 66 shields equals - 131 HP, taking my suit down from 752 HP down to roughly 615 HP. This change I don't have a problem with, although I'm not especially fond of the new racial bonus...

Its the loss of CPU that worries me. I haven't run the numbers, but I highly doubt I can keep the same fitting as mentioned above.

So where do I reduce the tier of my modules to find a fitting that works? I don't really see using 2 CPU upgrades as an alternative.

Do I put on a GEK? - No, I'm not gonna come with a vanilla gek vs assaults running Duvolles with 2 damage mods...
Do I get a smaller nade? - No, as a logi I don't have a sidearm and I'll keep the weapons I have...
Will I reduce my tank or stamina? No way, not in a million years!

So what is left? Yes its that proto equipment.... I might have to remove it or reduce it down a tier or two.

So in effect; the patch that is supposed to make me more of a Logi and less of an assault player, will perhaps have the exact opposite effect, not a smart move IMO.

Well I'm a cal logi player.

I'm not such a tryhard that I run a single nanohive and thats it. I've filled my equipment slots in every single fitting.

My standard CB or "most competitive" fit for those occational hard pub games has been;

- Proto Uplink
- Proto Medkit
- Proto nanohive

4 extenders and 1 recharger

Duvolle AR
Core nades

Proto CPU uppgrade
Proto PG uppgrade (Edit: not sure if proto or enh.)
Proto green stamina thingy
Basic armor plate



This is a combat/support hybrid fitting. Not really a match against a well specced proto assault suit, but not so bad that I can't stay in and fight and do some damage.

Keeping everything the same is not a viable option. I feel that I sort of have to fit at least one shield regulator, just to get the benefit of the new racial bonus, so my armor plate is thereby lost. And together with the racial bonus I lose 65+ 66 shields equals - 131 HP, taking my suit down from 752 HP down to roughly 615 HP. This change I don't have a problem with, although I'm not especially fond of the new racial bonus...

Its the loss of CPU that worries me. I haven't run the numbers, but I highly doubt I can keep the same fitting as mentioned above.

So where do I reduce the tier of my modules to find a fitting that works? I don't really see using 2 CPU upgrades as an alternative.

Do I put on a GEK? - No, I'm not gonna come with a vanilla gek vs assaults running Duvolles with 2 damage mods...
Do I get a smaller nade? - No, as a logi I don't have a sidearm and I'll keep the weapons I have...
Will I reduce my tank or stamina? No way, not in a million years!

So what is left? Yes its that proto equipment.... I might have to remove it or reduce it down a tier or two.

So in effect; the patch that is supposed to make me more of a Logi and less of an assault player, will perhaps have the exact opposite effect, not a smart move IMO.

They should have removed a high slot from the CaLogi suit, and balanced CPU/PG because of that. It would have forced people to think about being a logistics even more, since shield AND damage tanking wouldn't be that viable at the same time anymore.

Right now you can still shield and damage tank quite well. The ability to be a killer hasn't been dealt with.

So what am I left with. Supporting the team or killing and staying alive? EVERY logistics player should ALWAYS go for killing and staying alive first. If you wanna argue this matter, feel free, I'm up for it. The simple answer is "you can't help anyone if you're dead."

So yeah, I'm gonna keep my tanking and all that and sacrifice proto logistics equipment to be able to still fit my things. Because after all, I wouldn't be a good logi if I am bleeding out on the ground...

Just a heads up, I'm only going off the OP (a lot of pages to go through...)

With that said my beloved Cal-Logi girlfriend is pretty excited to get her suit to be able to fit her role. She has been trained by me to use the suit as a Logi the moment she got access to the C-1. I told her that the suit is being made OP by players mis-using it & to expect a Nerf. Before she put points into it I advised her to go Minmatar Logi instead, but she wanted to stay true to her love for the Caldari State.
Can't wait to see her adapt & overcome, no need for her to HTFU. She's a good Logi (crappy gun-game, her first FPS), but loves being a medic.
That is all. Long live Dust514, o7. Eriknaught out. END TRANSMISSION.

side note: she thinks what CCP should've done to balance the suit was make equipment mandatory. Empty equipment slot gives you an INVALID FITTING, thought that was an interesting idea...albeit a little late.

Honestly,

The more I look at the numbers..

What will Cal Logis do after 1.3? Well you have a bunch of skilled players in shield tanked suits with enough CPU and PG to go proto modules and proto weapon with a decent nanohive. and no other dropsuits to run, plus months away from being able to grind anything else...

Their probably just gonna continue to pubstomp IB.

I suspect we're gonna see a bunch of threads about a week after 1.3 drops about how the Cal Logi is still too OP.

Probably so, I say buff ALL the other suits then.

Well I'm a cal logi player.

I'm not such a tryhard that I run a single nanohive and thats it. I've filled my equipment slots in every single fitting.

My standard CB or "most competitive" fit for those occational hard pub games has been;

- Proto Uplink
- Proto Medkit
- Proto nanohive

4 extenders and 1 recharger

Duvolle AR
Core nades

Proto CPU uppgrade
Proto PG uppgrade (Edit: not sure if proto or enh.)
Proto green stamina thingy
Basic armor plate



This is a combat/support hybrid fitting. Not really a match against a well specced proto assault suit, but not so bad that I can't stay in and fight and do some damage.

Keeping everything the same is not a viable option. I feel that I sort of have to fit at least one shield regulator, just to get the benefit of the new racial bonus, so my armor plate is thereby lost. And together with the racial bonus I lose 65+ 66 shields equals - 131 HP, taking my suit down from 752 HP down to roughly 615 HP. This change I don't have a problem with, although I'm not especially fond of the new racial bonus...

Its the loss of CPU that worries me. I haven't run the numbers, but I highly doubt I can keep the same fitting as mentioned above.

So where do I reduce the tier of my modules to find a fitting that works? I don't really see using 2 CPU upgrades as an alternative.

Do I put on a GEK? - No, I'm not gonna come with a vanilla gek vs assaults running Duvolles with 2 damage mods...
Do I get a smaller nade? - No, as a logi I don't have a sidearm and I'll keep the weapons I have...
Will I reduce my tank or stamina? No way, not in a million years!

So what is left? Yes its that proto equipment.... I might have to remove it or reduce it down a tier or two.

So in effect; the patch that is supposed to make me more of a Logi and less of an assault player, will perhaps have the exact opposite effect, not a smart move IMO.