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Gauder Berwyck
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Posted - 2013.07.24 08:58:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:Letting go of the Duvolle would pretty much equalize the CPU reduction and allow you to keep most of the rest as it is. Without damage mods you loose a few meters of range and about 6% in damage. Not exactly worth it if you're not going to focus on doing maximum damage.
If you want to prioritize dmg and tank over logistics you can still do that. The changes just made it so that you can't get away with both combat and logistics capabilities at the same time.
A focused logistics would ask "what do i have to change if i want my equipment stay as strong as possible" You are asking yourself "what do i have to change if i want my tank/gank stay as strong as possible"
Before the changes everyone was like "proto ALL THE THINGS" and that was a big part of the issue.
They should have removed a high slot from the CaLogi suit, and balanced CPU/PG because of that. It would have forced people to think about being a logistics even more, since shield AND damage tanking wouldn't be that viable at the same time anymore.
Right now you can still shield and damage tank quite well. The ability to be a killer hasn't been dealt with.
So what am I left with. Supporting the team or killing and staying alive? EVERY logistics player should ALWAYS go for killing and staying alive first. If you wanna argue this matter, feel free, I'm up for it. The simple answer is "you can't help anyone if you're dead."
So yeah, I'm gonna keep my tanking and all that and sacrifice proto logistics equipment to be able to still fit my things. Because after all, I wouldn't be a good logi if I am bleeding out on the ground... |
Gauder Berwyck
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Posted - 2013.07.24 08:59:00 -
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Rogue Saint wrote:Make logi suits like logi ships in EvE, force logi players to actually be logi by removing weapon slots. Give logi suits dedicated slots for rep-tools with appropriate bonuses towards suits/vehicles/installations and reward them properly with WP.
My alt would happily lose the weapon in favour of pure logi plus bonuses and rewards.
Seriously?
No..... I mean..... seriously?
This is such a stupid statements on so many levels I find it hard to take it seriously...
Ask ANY medic in ANY army today if they wanna run into a combat zone without a pistol and other weapons backing them up!
CCP: We need to be able to give -1 to posts.... |
Gauder Berwyck
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Posted - 2013.07.24 09:14:00 -
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Rogue Saint wrote:Gauder Berwyck wrote:Rogue Saint wrote:Make logi suits like logi ships in EvE, force logi players to actually be logi by removing weapon slots. Give logi suits dedicated slots for rep-tools with appropriate bonuses towards suits/vehicles/installations and reward them properly with WP.
My alt would happily lose the weapon in favour of pure logi plus bonuses and rewards. Seriously? No..... I mean..... seriously?This is such a stupid statements on so many levels I find it hard to take it seriously... Ask ANY medic in ANY army today if they wanna run into a combat zone without a pistol and other weapons backing them up! CCP: We need to be able to give -1 to posts.... Yes seriously, this is New Eden not 21st century Earth! Clearly you have no clue how logistics works in New Eden. Logi keeps the frontline alive, they are not supposed to be dealing damage. The current dust logi is a bastardisation of assault and logi and yes I'm guilty of capitalising on that. A logi with an insane tank and support from multiple logis would give a new dimension to dust, its only people like you that want the best of all worlds.
You're not making your case any better...
This is an FPS. First Person SHOOTER! Why would I wanna run around in a suit that has no weapon slots?
And the New Eden argument is really getting old. This IS NOT a space point-and-click game!!! The games may share the same backdrop but that is it.
It's the Eve-tards that have ****** this game up anyway. Already having the ears of CCP, they lobbied for their views and got the wrong bits of Eve into Dust.
This is a game where you CANNOT warp out of danger in the middle of the match, unless you quit the game.
This is a game where you CANNOT carry drones or other modules that can shoot back at the enemy.
A logistics ship in Eve can still do their bit, they are not toothless. Yet you want the Logi in Dust to run around completely defenseless running against all logic.
What mercenary would take on the role as logi on the fields of New Eden? Noone! Can you imagine the job interview?
- I'm here for the position as logi. - Excellent. Sign here, and leave your weapon on the shelf there. - Leave my weapon? Why? - We don't allow weapons on logis. - F*** that! I'm off.
Yeah... not gonna work.
Again, because this can't be said enough:
This is a SHOOTER not a space point-and-click game!!! |
Gauder Berwyck
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Posted - 2013.07.24 09:30:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:The first thought in my head when I read the list was "Probably downgrade on proto weapons and grenade. It's a logistics suit. Duh."
Then when I saw "combat/support hybrid" I thought "Hybrids don't usually have the best of everything."
Then I saw the reasons for not reducing weapons and thought "It's a logistics suit. Sounds like you want to be more assault than anything."
Then I read the bit with reducing prototype equipment and thought "Well there you go. You can still support your team, albeit less effectively, and can be the assault you want to be. Why, it almost sounds like a hybrid."
Then I read the last, bold bit and thought "No, it made you choose between being a slayer or a top-notch support instead of being a master of all trades. You have made your decision."
And all he wanted to say with his post was that this change to the logi suit is gonna have the OPPOSITE effect of what CCP intended. |
Gauder Berwyck
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Posted - 2013.07.24 10:33:00 -
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Rogue Saint wrote:Maybe not you who wants to be an assault guy in a logi suit, but I'm sure there are others that take logistics seriously and would sacrifice offence in favour of defence.
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Yeah right, as a 5 year vet of EvE I can tell you now, all EvE players are worried about is how much Dust will mess up the economy. Sure there are a few that could worry about how planets will affect their game play, but thats about it.
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LOL, you have zero clue about EvE logi ships, if you did you would know that logi ships can't carry weapons if all the high slots are filled with rep mods.
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Give the logi an insane tank. Sure it will be abused by some who will run explosives or something, but having a true logi is still appealing.
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Yeah, because we want another CoD, BF or other run of the mill FPS...
Oh, sorry, let me clarify... When I said Eve-tards I didn't mean those who stay in Eve and don't care about Dust. I mean those who come into Dust and think they are entitled to being heard in matters of a shooter simply because they've played Eve. Sorry, but to me that sounds like the argument that you should run a music shop, because you know how to whistle!
There is nothing stopping you from running as a GOOD logi right now! When the patch comes there will STILL be nothing stopping you from playing as the logi you want, but there WILL be issues stopping me from playing logi the way I want.
Just because you seem to prefer playing as the sheep at the slaughterhouse, you therefore want me to become the same toothless sheep...
Sorry carebear, but it's idiots like YOU who come from Eve to Dust that is ruining this game... thinking that using tried and tested methods in a shooter is gonna make it like CoD and BF. Giving Dust working game mechanics and dropsuits that have weapons on does NOT make it into CoD, sorry dude... But it WOULD make it into a game that might actually be more fun than frustrating to play.
So please, go back to space... or hell, play the super-logi you seem to love and stand there to soak bullets. I know I'll be wanting to shoot back. |
Gauder Berwyck
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Posted - 2013.07.24 10:39:00 -
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Jaqen Morghalis wrote:Only because he is misunderstanding what (I believe) CCP intended in the first place.
He assumes that the intent was to limit the suit to Logi only when, in reality, it was to force/allow us to choose one role or the other, while limiting it enough to not be used as both simultaneously.
Choices, not limitations.
Source: http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/07/logistics-dropsuit-changes-in-uprising-1.3
Quote:As mentioned above, these skill changes are largely to discourage assault-focused players from using the Logistics suit as their frontline choice.
They wanna limit, not give choices. And that is where CCP is making a mistake I think. |
Gauder Berwyck
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Posted - 2013.07.24 11:48:00 -
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Quote:Yeah sure I've come from EvE, a game I love and company that has my respect for making Dust. The fact I've been playing Dust since Beta gives me the right to comment, not my 5 years of EvE. Clearly you don't like my suggestion, seems you're the only one in the thread scared of what I'm proposing.
Carebear, yeah right, did you hear that as a buzz word from some EvE player? You probably need to research the context before labelling people. As for the rest of the statement, you are single minded in how you perceive Dust should be played and can't see other options for what logis could be in the future.
To placate you, and maybe make you feel warm an fuzzy again, drop the light weapon and just have a sidearm slot, you can then Core Flaylock (even after the nerf) to your hearts content.
Removing a weapon slot from the logi has already been critisised by the community to the point that it's not necessary to do so any more, unless someone comes along with the not-so-brilliant idea to remove weapons or force them to only have a sidearm.
It's just stupid on so many levels to do this.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=924501#post924501
There, I have posted my views on what they need to fix on the CaLogi suit. Remove a high slot, that is all that is needed. Don't touch the weapons! I am not afraid of change, I am afraid of any change/hinderance to my ability to shoot at stuff tho.
So no, I am not gonna swap my AR for some silly core flaylocks. Silly to use that on a suit that only has 1 weapon slot anyway.
So we've both made some assumptions that weren't spot on, but let me ask:
Why do you wanna force a logi to play a certain role and penalise those logis who know how to use a gun? |
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