Well I'm a cal logi player.

I'm not such a tryhard that I run a single nanohive and thats it. I've filled my equipment slots in every single fitting.

My standard CB or "most competitive" fit for those occational hard pub games has been;

- Proto Uplink
- Proto Medkit
- Proto nanohive

4 extenders and 1 recharger

Duvolle AR
Core nades

Proto CPU uppgrade
Proto PG uppgrade (Edit: not sure if proto or enh.)
Proto green stamina thingy
Basic armor plate



This is a combat/support hybrid fitting. Not really a match against a well specced proto assault suit, but not so bad that I can't stay in and fight and do some damage.

Keeping everything the same is not a viable option. I feel that I sort of have to fit at least one shield regulator, just to get the benefit of the new racial bonus, so my armor plate is thereby lost. And together with the racial bonus I lose 65+ 66 shields equals - 131 HP, taking my suit down from 752 HP down to roughly 615 HP. This change I don't have a problem with, although I'm not especially fond of the new racial bonus...

Its the loss of CPU that worries me. I haven't run the numbers, but I highly doubt I can keep the same fitting as mentioned above.

So where do I reduce the tier of my modules to find a fitting that works? I don't really see using 2 CPU upgrades as an alternative.

Do I put on a GEK? - No, I'm not gonna come with a vanilla gek vs assaults running Duvolles with 2 damage mods...
Do I get a smaller nade? - No, as a logi I don't have a sidearm and I'll keep the weapons I have...
Will I reduce my tank or stamina? No way, not in a million years!

So what is left? Yes its that proto equipment.... I might have to remove it or reduce it down a tier or two.

So in effect; the patch that is supposed to make me more of a Logi and less of an assault player, will perhaps have the exact opposite effect, not a smart move IMO.

+1 I too have said IF things gotta leave my fitting so I can fit it all the first will be my support equipment.

That's because you're an Assault player Babar, don't kid yourself. You spec'd into a Logistic Suit with the intention of being a killer as well as logistic support. DUST is meant to be about choices, this suit lets me be a killer or a very very good logi, but if you sacrifice the prototype logistic gear, then you can find a good medium ground.

Then obviously your number one concern is killing reds, not supporting your team.

So by killing reds I am not supporting the team? Your logic is flawed...

Letting go of the Duvolle would pretty much equalize the CPU reduction and allow you to keep most of the rest as it is. Without damage mods you loose a few meters of range and about 6% in damage. Not exactly worth it if you're not going to focus on doing maximum damage.

If you want to prioritize dmg and tank over logistics you can still do that. The changes just made it so that you can't get away with both combat and logistics capabilities at the same time.

A focused logistics would ask "what do i have to change if i want my equipment stay as strong as possible"
You are asking yourself "what do i have to change if i want my tank/gank stay as strong as possible"

Before the changes everyone was like "proto ALL THE THINGS" and that was a big part of the issue.

Make logi suits like logi ships in EvE, force logi players to actually be logi by removing weapon slots. Give logi suits dedicated slots for rep-tools with appropriate bonuses towards suits/vehicles/installations and reward them properly with WP.

My alt would happily lose the weapon in favour of pure logi plus bonuses and rewards.

If that's what you want to do then go assault not logistics, your logic in suit choice is flawed.

Seriously?

No..... I mean..... seriously?

This is such a stupid statements on so many levels I find it hard to take it seriously...

Ask ANY medic in ANY army today if they wanna run into a combat zone without a pistol and other weapons backing them up!

CCP: We need to be able to give -1 to posts....

Yes seriously, this is New Eden not 21st century Earth! Clearly you have no clue how logistics works in New Eden. Logi keeps the frontline alive, they are not supposed to be dealing damage. The current dust logi is a bastardisation of assault and logi and yes I'm guilty of capitalising on that.

A logi with an insane tank and support from multiple logis would give a new dimension to dust, its only people like you that want the best of all worlds.

So Logistics can't be used for killing? You're a joke...

Yes seriously, this is New Eden not 21st century Earth! Clearly you have no clue how logistics works in New Eden. Logi keeps the frontline alive, they are not supposed to be dealing damage. The current dust logi is a bastardisation of assault and logi and yes I'm guilty of capitalising on that.

A logi with an insane tank and support from multiple logis would give a new dimension to dust, its only people like you that want the best of all worlds.

So Logistics can't be used for killing? You're a joke...

The first thought in my head when I read the list was "Probably downgrade on proto weapons and grenade. It's a logistics suit. Duh."

Then when I saw "combat/support hybrid" I thought "Hybrids don't usually have the best of everything."

Then I saw the reasons for not reducing weapons and thought "It's a logistics suit. Sounds like you want to be more assault than anything."

Then I read the bit with reducing prototype equipment and thought "Well there you go. You can still support your team, albeit less effectively, and can be the assault you want to be. Why, it almost sounds like a hybrid."

Then I read the last, bold bit and thought "No, it made you choose between being a slayer or a top-notch support instead of being a master of all trades. You have made your decision."

You're not making your case any better...

This is an FPS. First Person SHOOTER! Why would I wanna run around in a suit that has no weapon slots?

And the New Eden argument is really getting old. This IS NOT a space point-and-click game!!! The games may share the same backdrop but that is it.

It's the Eve-tards that have ****** this game up anyway. Already having the ears of CCP, they lobbied for their views and got the wrong bits of Eve into Dust.

This is a game where you CANNOT warp out of danger in the middle of the match, unless you quit the game.

This is a game where you CANNOT carry drones or other modules that can shoot back at the enemy.

A logistics ship in Eve can still do their bit, they are not toothless. Yet you want the Logi in Dust to run around completely defenseless running against all logic.

This is a SHOOTER not a space point-and-click game!!!

Well I'm a cal logi player.

I'm not such a tryhard that I run a single nanohive and thats it. I've filled my equipment slots in every single fitting.

My standard CB or "most competitive" fit for those occational hard pub games has been;

- Proto Uplink
- Proto Medkit
- Proto nanohive

4 extenders and 1 recharger

Duvolle AR
Core nades

Proto CPU uppgrade
Proto PG uppgrade (Edit: not sure if proto or enh.)
Proto green stamina thingy
Basic armor plate



This is a combat/support hybrid fitting. Not really a match against a well specced proto assault suit, but not so bad that I can't stay in and fight and do some damage.

Keeping everything the same is not a viable option. I feel that I sort of have to fit at least one shield regulator, just to get the benefit of the new racial bonus, so my armor plate is thereby lost. And together with the racial bonus I lose 65+ 66 shields equals - 131 HP, taking my suit down from 752 HP down to roughly 615 HP. This change I don't have a problem with, although I'm not especially fond of the new racial bonus...

Its the loss of CPU that worries me. I haven't run the numbers, but I highly doubt I can keep the same fitting as mentioned above.

So where do I reduce the tier of my modules to find a fitting that works? I don't really see using 2 CPU upgrades as an alternative.

Do I put on a GEK? - No, I'm not gonna come with a vanilla gek vs assaults running Duvolles with 2 damage mods...
Do I get a smaller nade? - No, as a logi I don't have a sidearm and I'll keep the weapons I have...
Will I reduce my tank or stamina? No way, not in a million years!

So what is left? Yes its that proto equipment.... I might have to remove it or reduce it down a tier or two.

So in effect; the patch that is supposed to make me more of a Logi and less of an assault player, will perhaps have the exact opposite effect, not a smart move IMO.

I think these Cal logi whiners need to fit a proto assault to see just how well off they are.

Even with the CPU nerf you all still have more versatility than Assault.

Wow someone who is actually smart? +1 for knowing more than one suit

They should have removed a high slot from the CaLogi suit, and balanced CPU/PG because of that. It would have forced people to think about being a logistics even more, since shield AND damage tanking wouldn't be that viable at the same time anymore.

Right now you can still shield and damage tank quite well. The ability to be a killer hasn't been dealt with.

So what am I left with. Supporting the team or killing and staying alive? EVERY logistics player should ALWAYS go for killing and staying alive first. If you wanna argue this matter, feel free, I'm up for it. The simple answer is "you can't help anyone if you're dead."

So yeah, I'm gonna keep my tanking and all that and sacrifice proto logistics equipment to be able to still fit my things. Because after all, I wouldn't be a good logi if I am bleeding out on the ground...

LOL, you have zero clue about EvE logi ships, if you did you would know that logi ships can't carry weapons if all the high slots are filled with rep mods.