And all he wanted to say with his post was that this change to the logi suit is gonna have the OPPOSITE effect of what CCP intended.

Fair enough, someone write me up a proto assault setup.

Edit: give me a tanked cal assault fit, I'd really like to know....

Maybe not you who wants to be an assault guy in a logi suit, but I'm sure there are others that take logistics seriously and would sacrifice offence in favour of defence.

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Yeah right, as a 5 year vet of EvE I can tell you now, all EvE players are worried about is how much Dust will mess up the economy. Sure there are a few that could worry about how planets will affect their game play, but thats about it.

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LOL, you have zero clue about EvE logi ships, if you did you would know that logi ships can't carry weapons if all the high slots are filled with rep mods.

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Give the logi an insane tank. Sure it will be abused by some who will run explosives or something, but having a true logi is still appealing.

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Yeah, because we want another CoD, BF or other run of the mill FPS...

Only because he is misunderstanding what (I believe) CCP intended in the first place.

He assumes that the intent was to limit the suit to Logi only when, in reality, it was to force/allow us to choose one role or the other, while limiting it enough to not be used as both simultaneously.

Choices, not limitations.

As mentioned above, these skill changes are largely to discourage assault-focused players from using the Logistics suit as their frontline choice.

Fair enough, someone write me up a proto assault setup.

Edit: give me a tanked cal assault fit, I'd really like to know....

if I max out PG CPU etc. The following is a possible fitting - tanking - caldari assault. Everyone can now tell me I am doing it wrong....

480hp shield
242 armour

3 complex extenders
1 complex recharger

enhanced armour plate
complex CPU upgrade
basic armour repairer

Duvolle
Ishukone smg
Core locus

pick one of the following:

level 4 nanohive
level 1 remote
level 1 drop link

drop down to an M1 to fit level 4 droplink

I could drop the Ishukone down but I picked assault cause of the sidearm.

Wow! This is actuallly a lot better than I thought.

Personally I would lose the enhanced plate in favor of more speed and a basic armor plate. This will give you room for a proto equipment most likely...

You still get:

+ more tank
+ faster shield regen
+ faster move speed
+ faster run speed
+ quicker strafing
+ twice the amount of stamina/recharge
+ its cheaper
+ sidearm

- slower armor rep
- 2 equipment slots
- its not as versatile


I'm fairly confident that i could build a better suit suited for combat with todays numbers by using an assault suit, compared to my hybrid fitting mentioned in OP.

My points still stands. And here I thought that the Cal Logi was superior to the assault for combat use, what a load of BS.

Wow! This is actuallly a lot better than I thought.

Personally I would lose the enhanced plate in favor of more speed and a basic armor plate. This will give you room for a proto equipment most likely...

You still get:

+ more tank
+ faster shield regen
+ faster move speed
+ faster run speed
+ quicker strafing
+ twice the amount of stamina/recharge
+ its cheaper
+ sidearm

- slower armor rep
- 2 equipment slots
- its not as versatile


I'm fairly confident that i could build a better suit suited for combat with todays numbers by using an assault suit, compared to my hybrid fitting mentioned in OP.

My points still stands. And here I thought that the Cal Logi was superior to the assault for combat use, what a load of BS.

Source: http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/07/logistics-dropsuit-changes-in-uprising-1.3



They wanna limit, not give choices. And that is where CCP is making a mistake I think.

Make logi suits like logi ships in EvE, force logi players to actually be logi by removing weapon slots. Give logi suits dedicated slots for rep-tools with appropriate bonuses towards suits/vehicles/installations and reward them properly with WP.

My alt would happily lose the weapon in favour of pure logi plus bonuses and rewards.

your comparision is flawed thus all your arguments are null and void. logi ships in eve are durable and remote reps have huge range on them. a group of remote repping logis can sit back, do their job and repair themself each other when required. a repping and reviving logi in dust doing his job is constantly exposing himself to enemy fire and most of the time out of range of other logis at the front line. additionally remote repping isnt as strong in dust as it is in eve.

Oh, sorry, let me clarify... When I said Eve-tards I didn't mean those who stay in Eve and don't care about Dust. I mean those who come into Dust and think they are entitled to being heard in matters of a shooter simply because they've played Eve. Sorry, but to me that sounds like the argument that you should run a music shop, because you know how to whistle!

There is nothing stopping you from running as a GOOD logi right now! When the patch comes there will STILL be nothing stopping you from playing as the logi you want, but there WILL be issues stopping me from playing logi the way I want.

Just because you seem to prefer playing as the sheep at the slaughterhouse, you therefore want me to become the same toothless sheep...

Sorry carebear, but it's idiots like YOU who come from Eve to Dust that is ruining this game... thinking that using tried and tested methods in a shooter is gonna make it like CoD and BF. Giving Dust working game mechanics and dropsuits that have weapons on does NOT make it into CoD, sorry dude... But it WOULD make it into a game that might actually be more fun than frustrating to play.

So please, go back to space... or hell, play the super-logi you seem to love and stand there to soak bullets. I know I'll be wanting to shoot back.

Oh, sorry, let me clarify... When I said Eve-tards I didn't mean those who stay in Eve and don't care about Dust. I mean those who come into Dust and think they are entitled to being heard in matters of a shooter simply because they've played Eve. Sorry, but to me that sounds like the argument that you should run a music shop, because you know how to whistle!

There is nothing stopping you from running as a GOOD logi right now! When the patch comes there will STILL be nothing stopping you from playing as the logi you want, but there WILL be issues stopping me from playing logi the way I want.

Just because you seem to prefer playing as the sheep at the slaughterhouse, you therefore want me to become the same toothless sheep...

Sorry carebear, but it's idiots like YOU who come from Eve to Dust that is ruining this game... thinking that using tried and tested methods in a shooter is gonna make it like CoD and BF. Giving Dust working game mechanics and dropsuits that have weapons on does NOT make it into CoD, sorry dude... But it WOULD make it into a game that might actually be more fun than frustrating to play.

So please, go back to space... or hell, play the super-logi you seem to love and stand there to soak bullets. I know I'll be wanting to shoot back.

A well reasoned response

Yeah sure I've come from EvE, a game I love and company that has my respect for making Dust. The fact I've been playing Dust since Beta gives me the right to comment, not my 5 years of EvE. Clearly you don't like my suggestion, seems you're the only one in the thread scared of what I'm proposing.

Carebear, yeah right, did you hear that as a buzz word from some EvE player? You probably need to research the context before labelling people. As for the rest of the statement, you are single minded in how you perceive Dust should be played and can't see other options for what logis could be in the future.

To placate you, and maybe make you feel warm an fuzzy again, drop the light weapon and just have a sidearm slot, you can then Core Flaylock (even after the nerf) to your hearts content.

Not sure what I'll do, going to try various fittings until something works once I get the mega CPU/shield nerf. More than likely I'll be dropping 1 or 2 equipment from my rotation.

Hope you turkeys are happy, less ammo and/or uplinks for you on the field. I might even start running a troll logi suit, which revives you only so you can die again over and over and over (but I'll be shield/armor tanked and will survive). I'll also place hives somewhere you have to go out of your way to use, only to find out it's a garbage hive that gives you one nade and a handful of ammo.

Either way I'll figure out some way to make players lives miserable in pub matches. Turkeys need to be taught a lesson, and maybe even deep-fried too .

If you are that butthurt that you're hell bent on spreading your buthurtedness to all maybe you should just quit all together?

Fair enough, someone write me up a proto assault setup.

Edit: give me a tanked cal assault fit, I'd really like to know....

No one that I know would tank that **** lol when I'm on dust tomorrow ill send you my setup damn um today forgot I'm on graveyard lol

OP skilled into Cal logi because lol 5/4 slots layout and obv CPU/PG improvements over the assault suit which made it better in everyway while you get equip slots for nanohives and other things

Now he cant do both and QQ about it saying his role is broken which was being an assault tryhard in a logi suit

He stills trys to be an assault tryhard in a logi suit and how do we know this because he wont reduce his primary weapon, or get rid of lolcontact nades but he will get rid of the stuff in the equipment slots

1. I skilled into a cal logi cause it was obviously the most combat effective of the four logi suits. I initially couldn't stand losing that second equipment slot from my proto assault suit. I am first and foremost a team player, though it might not seem that way when I run around alone like a cowboy in pub games. I come from MAG where everyone carried a medkit, I didn't wanna lose it. In MAG we had a term for it, it was "elite O-holder", somone that can kill and stil push in on objectives, repair and so on.

2. Everyone seems to think that max HP is the only stat one can meassure a suit with, which is moronic. As a Cal logi I do fit a green stamina module and a shield recharger (90CPU!!!), this just to almost have the same stats as assault in regards to stamina and shield recharge. Take those two into the equation and the suit is more or less as good in terms of numbers as an assault suit. The the remaining difference is the faster speed and the ability to carry a sidearm vs the slower single weapon suit with more equipment. Seems pretty OK for me.

3. I am first and foremost a soldier. My job is to kill my enemies and **** their wives. While I do this, I like to support my team aswell. If someone will put in more fancy equipment at the cost of being less combat effective be my guest, in my boock that is called a carebear. Someone that does a job "supporting" his team, a job that requires no skill that any monkey can do, is someone I don't want on my team. Gungame is always king.

4. Contact nades? WTF? I've used some lately on a LOL lvl 1 scout suit fit, other than that I still keep to my Core Locus nades that is better 99% of the time.

5. I'm not saying that the suit didn't need a change, I made a post some time ago suggesting they removed a high slot, which would mean 87,5 less points of shields on it, which is a major change.

6. I specced into the suit, spending in effect a month of passive and active booster to get the SP, now its changed and I'm not given the choice to respec into something else. If i'd seen the true (the new stats) stats of the suit, I wuld most likely have specced into assault back then. I feel missled, its a bad way of handling from CCPs side. They make a misstake, and I have to pay for it, its moronic.

1. I skilled into a cal logi cause it was obviously the most combat effective of the four logi suits. I initially couldn't stand losing that second equipment slot from my proto assault suit. I am first and foremost a team player, though it might not seem that way when I run around alone like a cowboy in pub games. I come from MAG where everyone carried a medkit, I didn't wanna lose it. In MAG we had a term for it, it was "elite O-holder", somone that can kill and stil push in on objectives, repair and so on.

2. Everyone seems to think that max HP is the only stat one can meassure a suit with, which is moronic. As a Cal logi I do fit a green stamina module and a shield recharger (90CPU!!!), this just to almost have the same stats as assault in regards to stamina and shield recharge. Take those two into the equation and the suit is more or less as good in terms of numbers as an assault suit. The the remaining difference is the faster speed and the ability to carry a sidearm vs the slower single weapon suit with more equipment. Seems pretty OK for me.

3. I am first and foremost a soldier. My job is to kill my enemies and **** their wives. While I do this, I like to support my team aswell. If someone will put in more fancy equipment at the cost of being less combat effective be my guest, in my boock that is called a carebear. Someone that does a job "supporting" his team, a job that requires no skill that any monkey can do, is someone I don't want on my team. Gungame is always king.

4. Contact nades? WTF? I've used some lately on a LOL lvl 1 scout suit fit, other than that I still keep to my Core Locus nades that is better 99% of the time.

5. I'm not saying that the suit didn't need a change, I made a post some time ago suggesting they removed a high slot, which would mean 87,5 less points of shields on it, which is a major change.

6. I specced into the suit, spending in effect a month of passive and active booster to get the SP, now its changed and I'm not given the choice to respec into something else. If i'd seen the true (the new stats) stats of the suit, I wuld most likely have specced into assault back then. I feel missled, its a bad way of handling from CCPs side. They make a misstake, and I have to pay for it, its moronic.

1. I skilled into a cal logi cause it was obviously the most combat effective of the four logi suits. I initially couldn't stand losing that second equipment slot from my proto assault suit. I am first and foremost a team player, though it might not seem that way when I run around alone like a cowboy in pub games. I come from MAG where everyone carried a medkit, I didn't wanna lose it. In MAG we had a term for it, it was "elite O-holder", somone that can kill and stil push in on objectives, repair and so on.

2. Everyone seems to think that max HP is the only stat one can meassure a suit with, which is moronic. As a Cal logi I do fit a green stamina module and a shield recharger (90CPU!!!), this just to almost have the same stats as assault in regards to stamina and shield recharge. Take those two into the equation and the suit is more or less as good in terms of numbers as an assault suit. The the remaining difference is the faster speed and the ability to carry a sidearm vs the slower single weapon suit with more equipment. Seems pretty OK for me.

3. I am first and foremost a soldier. My job is to kill my enemies and **** their wives. While I do this, I like to support my team aswell. If someone will put in more fancy equipment at the cost of being less combat effective be my guest, in my boock that is called a carebear. Someone that does a job "supporting" his team, a job that requires no skill that any monkey can do, is someone I don't want on my team. Gungame is always king.

4. Contact nades? WTF? I've used some lately on a LOL lvl 1 scout suit fit, other than that I still keep to my Core Locus nades that is better 99% of the time.

5. I'm not saying that the suit didn't need a change, I made a post some time ago suggesting they removed a high slot, which would mean 87,5 less points of shields on it, which is a major change.

6. I specced into the suit, spending in effect a month of passive and active booster to get the SP, now its changed and I'm not given the choice to respec into something else. If i'd seen the true (the new stats) stats of the suit, I wuld most likely have specced into assault back then. I feel missled, its a bad way of handling from CCPs side. They make a misstake, and I have to pay for it, its moronic.