forge guns, they do more damage than rail-guns and they're hand held, and then the proficency gets the proto to 3K dmg, a railgun maxed out can only acheive around 2400 CCP, and dont say "well its charge is 6 seconds" that dosent matter, an entire ishukone breach clip into any tank destroys it, even if it has 10K sheild or armor, pelase make forge guns half damage, and make railguns have a bigger splash radius and or more damage.

Hey great idea.

Why didn't anyone else think of it sooner?!

well, its cuz everyone is on about the dropsuits and AR's that are CLEARLY a waste of time, so im starting a campain to fix stuff that actualy needs to be fixed/ nerfed.

But they still need to be aimed. I used to use the Ishukone. Still took me way too many hits of splash damage to kill infantry from up high.

Forge guns are fine. Don't stand still if you don't have to.

Dont other railgus shoot 2x as fast (no chrage up time) with more DPS that the forge?

im talking about to tanks, it lights up almost the entire forge gun recticle and it dose an almost insta kill on basics, but the infantry use... any forge gun can insta kill any infantry, so try not to change the subject of matter.

forge guns, they do more damage than rail-guns and they're hand held, and then the proficency gets the proto to 3K dmg, a railgun maxed out can only acheive around 2400 CCP, and dont say "well its charge is 6 seconds" that dosent matter, an entire ishukone breach clip into any tank destroys it, even if it has 10K sheild or armor, pelase make forge guns half damage, and make railguns have a bigger splash radius and or more damage.

no, the railgun takes 1.8 secs{NORMAL} or 2.2[COMPRESSED] interval, but its proto stage can only acheive 2400 dmg maxed out to the top with dmg mods, where as a forge gun can acheive 3K without dmg mods.

I'm sorry, but I really don't see any problem with a prototype AV weapon doing a considerable amount of damage to a basic level vehicle.

forge guns, they do more damage than rail-guns and they're hand held, and then the proficency gets the proto to 3K dmg, a railgun maxed out can only acheive around 2400 CCP, and dont say "well its charge is 6 seconds" that dosent matter, an entire ishukone breach clip into any tank destroys it, even if it has 10K sheild or armor, pelase make forge guns half damage, and make railguns have a bigger splash radius and or more damage.

Tank railguns:

Infinite ammo
Can fire whilst moving at speed
Can be moved at speed
Several Xzoom
Several thousand hp weapon platform

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Tank railguns:

Infinite ammo
Can fire whilst moving at speed
Can be moved at speed
Several Xzoom
Several thousand hp weapon platform

Dont tank railgus/instalations shoot 2x as fast (no chrage up time) with more DPS that the forge?

look... the forge gun thing is mostly for the annoying campers up on a building or behind a rock that just moves around it and shoots and takes half your armor/ sheilds away, then kills you the next shot.

yes, however once you go proto forge with 2 damage mods and the assualt varient, it out DPS' the rail.
and correction to OP, the standard breach FG with 2 damage mods will do 2,485 exactly (tested on 5k shield of CRU). iv been hit by 2 proto breach FG shots, and in the kill screen it said he did 10k damage to my maddy...hardeners were cooling unfortunately. i say leave them the way they are, because when the new tanks come in, it MAYBE wont be so bad.

I demand a respec!

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yes, however once you go proto forge with 2 damage mods and the assualt varient, it out DPS' the rail.
and correction to OP, the standard breach FG with 2 damage mods will do 2,485 exactly (tested on 5k shield of CRU). iv been hit by 2 proto breach FG shots, and in the kill screen it said he did 10k damage to my maddy...hardeners were cooling unfortunately. i say leave them the way they are, because when the new tanks come in, it MAYBE wont be so bad.

forge guns, they do more damage than rail-guns and they're hand held, and then the proficency gets the proto to 3K dmg, a railgun maxed out can only acheive around 2400 CCP, and dont say "well its charge is 6 seconds" that dosent matter, an entire ishukone breach clip into any tank destroys it, even if it has 10K sheild or armor, pelase make forge guns half damage, and make railguns have a bigger splash radius and or more damage.

um, what about that really big hitter: the ishukone breach forge gun- 2772 base damage- no damage mods, then with lev 5 prof-3K +, with damage mods... 3500+

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You can't move,It's a easy target for you

um, what about that really big hitter: the ishukone breach forge gun- 2772 base damage- no damage mods, then with lev 5 prof-3K +, with damage mods... 3500+

he sits above you almost vertically {assault/ moving through city], or on the feild, they will sneak up behind u and hit u in the engine area, destroying you immediatly.

Ishukone breach?? Dude,,, knowledge bro

And you sit rite there

he sits above you almost vertically {assault/ moving through city], or on the feild, they will sneak up behind u and hit u in the engine area, destroying you immediatly.

forge guns, they do more damage than rail-guns and they're hand held, and then the proficency gets the proto to 3K dmg, a railgun maxed out can only acheive around 2400 CCP, and dont say "well its charge is 6 seconds" that dosent matter, an entire ishukone breach clip into any tank destroys it, even if it has 10K sheild or armor, pelase make forge guns half damage, and make railguns have a bigger splash radius and or more damage.

those super speed sneaky heavies are ninjas man im telling ya

"Wahh, there's something out there that is better than my style of play. Nerf it and buff mine please because I can't play without a win button"

What I read.

Already restricted by ammo requirements and lacks the mobility provided by the railgun's platform.

Does not have zoom capability.

The railgun will also one-shot the forge gun

Next.

Already restricted by ammo requirements and lacks the mobility provided by the railgun's platform.

Does not have zoom capability.

The railgun will also one-shot the forge gun

Next.

Back before chromosome deployed I actually survived a rail shot to the shoulder and it spun me around and made me miss the tank completely (back when damage would jerk your aim from even a small bullet. ) The second firing however finished me off while I stood there in stupor wondering how in the hell did I survive.

... but railguns cant hit dirrectly above them, and... nothing can thats a vehicle.

Op is an obvious troll. If you get destroyed by a breach forge gun that means that you sat in the same place for 18 seconds. That couple with the fact that breach forge guns make it so you can't move while charging, means if you get blown up by one, you have no business being in a tank.

I demand a respec!

Tank railguns:

Infinite ammo
Can fire whilst moving at speed
Can be moved at speed
Several Xzoom
Several thousand hp weapon platform

Oh no, did your poor rock come across some paper dropships? Diddums.

Forge guns

Mobile
easy to hide
can be taken to tall buildings that tank cannot fire at
is harder to kill then a tank
can be well over a thousand HP

and that comes from someone that has not been in a tank with some incubises right above your head with proto missle launchers, we can have you put in our place next time.

You assume wrong.
Guess what: nothing on the battlefield is supposed to be able to destroy everything it comes across.
You're a privileged bunch who will never be happy until you're immortal.

wow, 3 pages worth of replies, and half of them are probably from forge gunners themselfs or people that didnt read what i said, lol

you don't get it, i mean that if you are using a railgun and you sit up on a hill and shoot at things or other vehicles then a little trollface come from behind you and you cant see him on your radar, he kills you instantly by hitting you in the engine, almost 7K+ dmg.

Forge guns

Mobile
easy to hide
can be taken to tall buildings that tank cannot fire at
is harder to kill then a tank
can be well over a thousand HP

Scrub tankers like you give the rest of us a bad name.

I enjoy fighting forge gunners, they are my hard counter. They can destroy me almost as quickly as i can destroy them.

much more eenjoyable experience than jumping swarmers, or the ever popular 3 guys in an LAV with AV nades.

Clearly you are a bad tanker because all of your complaints are invalid.

I hate to say it, but HTFU.

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Mobile!?
Hard to kill!?

You're comparing it to a tank you bloody numpty.
There's no shortage of whiny AR users on these forums, but I've never seen even them complain that they can't shoot back at snipers.
What makes you think you should be able to kill anything and everything with impunity? How about having some snipers back you up with the actual counter to camped forge gunners?

not what i meant, its just that it seems like it from all the bad replies, and calling me a bad tanker, BTW you cant get away from high points on maps, there everywhere people -_-

not what i meant, its just that it seems like it from all the bad replies, and calling me a bad tanker, BTW you cant get away from high points on maps, there everywhere people -_-

People are calling you a bad tanker for a reason:

1. You stated that you camp the same spot and tank snipe.
2. You allow breach forge guns to blow you up.
3. You let forge gunners sneak up behind you and hit your tanks weak spot.

or their bein wimps up on a building.

Says the guy hiding in the redline with a railgun sniping.

None of your points are valid. You are just bad. And not terribly bright either.

and do you know how many tanks i say get gestroyed by FG's today? 46, allied and enemy, there was around 113 tank on tank kills, FG's take almost a third of the tanks kills, and they cost NOTHIN compaired to a tank.

and do you know how many tanks i say get gestroyed by FG's today? 46, allied and enemy, there was around 113 tank on tank kills, FG's take almost a third of the tanks kills, and they cost NOTHIN compaired to a tank.

So you lost 46 tanks to FG's today? Damn, whoever is paying your bills must be pissed at how awful you are.

Thanks for the made up numbers btw, feel free to make another thread when you need to cry about being bad.

... they werent my tanks, only about 3 were, but many tanks were destoyed by them today, and those were ones that i was in that game when it happend, so dont go thinking other wise, or quit mishearing me.

I have never seen you in a tank in game. So it is hard to take you seriously.

The manner in which you complain about forges indicates that you are a poor tanker.

The manner in which you have conducted yourself in this thread indicates that you lack the necessary grey matter to be a decent one.

... well ive never seen you before, and whats your lifetime WP? mines over 1 mill, and i have been a vary valuble peice in PC battles.

In the MCC?

... well ive never seen you before, and whats your lifetime WP? mines over 1 mill, and i have been a vary valuble peice in PC battles.

LOL, nice reply.

I'd have to check my character sheet, but I would say my WP are somewhere around 1.2 mill on this toon, not sure though.

But whom have you fought in PC that can attest to your skill? Because unless you have someone to vouch for you, the way you cry makes it very doubtful that you are a capable tanker.

The southern leigon, was one of the first, but they were noobs to the people that we just had, and they were all hired, the corps that attacked us only had around 5-7 of their own members, then the rest of them were hired, but we can also survive nyain san in pubs, and they dont change much in PC, but we fight along side, but usualy agenst each other in pubs.

The southern leigon, was one of the first, but they were noobs to the people that we just had, and they were all hired, the corps that attacked us only had around 5-7 of their own members, then the rest of them were hired, but we can also survive nyain san in pubs, and they dont change much in PC, but we fight along side, but usualy agenst each other in pubs.

and make railguns have a bigger splash radius and or more damage.

and what seperates me from alot of tankers: i do groundwork as well, but for real i only have roughly 4 mill into tanks, the rest into weapons and suits.

I love how tankers always quote breach FG numbers. If you get hit by more than two rounds of them, you deserve to lose your investment.

the no whining about snipers is cuz a suit costs didly squat compared to a tank, and forge gunners cost the ammount of a normal proto suit, so they shouldentt be able to kill a tank within 2-3 shots...

cuuCH shutup, i didnt say that, i said that forge gunners DONT show up on your RADAR, so you dont know if their BHIND u, and i dont let them shoot me, if they do, its mostly from bein little trollfaces, or their bein wimps up on a building.

oh really? my best KDR in a pub was 57-0, and that was about 2 months ago, since then i have had many times when i went over 30-0, and just today i went 20+-0 around 3 times, then i came on the forums to start somethin thats REALLY annoying and needs to be fixed.

HAHAHA VARY FUNNY.... -_- no, they come from behind like 150 meters away, then they just move closer from dirrectly behind u man -_-

those super speed sneaky heavies are ninjas man im telling ya

Dont tank railgus/instalations shoot 2x as fast (no chrage up time) with more DPS that the forge?

forge guns, they do more damage than rail-guns and they're hand held, and then the proficency gets the proto to 3K dmg, a railgun maxed out can only acheive around 2400 CCP, and dont say "well its charge is 6 seconds" that dosent matter, an entire ishukone breach clip into any tank destroys it, even if it has 10K sheild or armor, pelase make forge guns half damage, and make railguns have a bigger splash radius and or more damage.

Tank railguns:

Infinite ammo
Can fire whilst moving at speed
Can be moved at speed
Several Xzoom
Several thousand hp weapon platform

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an entire ishukone breach clip into any tank destroys i

If you guys want the direct damage of a breach forge gun, you should have the 6 second charge and the inability to move while charging. I can almost guarantee none of the people complaining would use it on there tank. They just want buffs with out paying the price. Dont forget tanks are immune to sniper fire, can be recalled without a supply depot are immune to infantry small arms, can move really fast around the battlefield and are able to run people over, act as a spawn point either with a CRU or by carrying that **** on the suit inside and just hoping out for a second, are self repping at a huge rate, can provide cover for infantry, act as a bunker for almost dead troops, have a head shot spot that is on the very rear of the tank, can survive OB's. and a tank does have more DPS then a forge gun if they man the 2 small turrets inside!! and have UNLIMITED AMMO!

Also DPS on a tank STACKS FOR ALL mercs INSIDE! so any skill damage you have on the 3 people inside a tank will stack!

When your tank is not immune to 99% of the weapons in the game come complain to me about the 1% that can ******* kill you.

Do tanks need changes? YES

IS the forge gun the problem? no!

Tanks and lavs should give far more ISK per kill and should cost less.

The forge gun is not the issue!

they just want to be immune to 100% of the weapons in game!

Also keep in mind tanks ARE the ultimate end game.

one tank > one inf unit.

Dont tank railgus/instalations shoot 2x as fast (no chrage up time) with more DPS that the forge?

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Tracking AV that deals several thousand points of damage per hit.

Just 3 Lai Dais against a Madrugar that's lost its shields is enough to destroy the tank. Just 3 stupid grenades.

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you dont get what i mean... its just that they do way to much damage, they have people with nanohives up almost dirrectly above you, and you cant even get at an angle to shoot them, or theyy come up behind your really expensive tank, and kill it with their 30K-77K forge gun that he switches out to a malitia AR after killing you.

Tracking AV that deals several thousand points of damage per hit.

Just 3 Lai Dais against a Madrugar that's lost its shields is enough to destroy the tank. Just 3 stupid grenades.

If you guys want the direct damage of a breach forge gun, you should have the 6 second charge and the inability to move while charging. I can almost guarantee none of the people complaining would use it on there tank. They just want buffs with out paying the price. Dont forget tanks are immune to sniper fire, can be recalled without a supply depot are immune to infantry small arms, can move really fast around the battlefield and are able to run people over, act as a spawn point either with a CRU or by carrying that **** on the suit inside and just hoping out for a second, are self repping at a huge rate, can provide cover for infantry, act as a bunker for almost dead troops, have a head shot spot that is on the very rear of the tank, can survive OB's. and a tank does have more DPS then a forge gun if they man the 2 small turrets inside!! and have UNLIMITED AMMO!

Also DPS on a tank STACKS FOR ALL mercs INSIDE! so any skill damage you have on the 3 people inside a tank will stack!

When your tank is not immune to 99% of the weapons in the game come complain to me about the 1% that can ******* kill you.

Do tanks need changes? YES

IS the forge gun the problem? no!

Tanks and lavs should give far more ISK per kill and should cost less.

The forge gun is not the issue!

they just want to be immune to 100% of the weapons in game!

Scrub tankers like you give the rest of us a bad name.

I enjoy fighting forge gunners, they are my hard counter. They can destroy me almost as quickly as i can destroy them.

much more eenjoyable experience than jumping swarmers, or the ever popular 3 guys in an LAV with AV nades.

Clearly you are a bad tanker because all of your complaints are invalid.

I hate to say it, but HTFU.

Just 3 Lai Dais against a Madrugar that's lost its shields is enough to destroy the tank. Just 3 stupid grenades.

Haha no we don't. We want prototype vehicles that can tank damage properly.

Yup. The forge gun is the only av that takes any skill to use. When I get led by a forge, I'm OK with that BC they were a good gunner. Swarms and nades on the other hand are fire and forget. The require no skill and any at scrub can get the proto in less than a month. You should be complaining about swarms that can make 180-¦ turns and navigate corners, if anything. Leave forge guns alone BC its all heavies have left.

Damn. Gonna have to get out my militia forge gun if i ever see the OP because i'd wager he sends some pretty epic hatemail when you blow up his tank.

lol i'll get all our heavies together and all carry a FG and when we see the OP we will destroy his tank

forge guns, they do more damage than rail-guns and they're hand held, and then the proficency gets the proto to 3K dmg, a railgun maxed out can only acheive around 2400 CCP, and dont say "well its charge is 6 seconds" that dosent matter, an entire ishukone breach clip into any tank destroys it, even if it has 10K sheild or armor, pelase make forge guns half damage, and make railguns have a bigger splash radius and or more damage.

I'm sorry, but I really don't see any problem with a prototype AV weapon doing a considerable amount of damage to a basic level vehicle.

OP is obviously QQing because he keeps getting killed in his tank and wants to make his tank invincible.

I've never seen this posted on the forums; maybe it's common knowledge. But you can actually jump while charging a breach forge :p

You look like a spaz, but hey. Movement = win!

Based on the way he complains, you can probably pop him with packed AV grenades just as easily. You will just have to take a LAV into the redline to do it.

y is it folks I've never seen on the forums or from corps with no kind of reputation complain about the stuff that isn't broken

Can't tell if your srs.... Here is the break down on my Forge damage. Also I didn't do the rounding so yeah.

Kaalakiota Forge Gun Base Damage: 1,584.0
Forge Gun Proficiency Lv. 5: 15% Damage buff

1,584.0+15% = 1,821.6

With 2 Complex Damage Mods: 19.56%

2,177.90496

With Forge Gun Operation at Lv. 5 the charge time is 2,625

That is 10.5 second to fire all shots that will do ether 7,286.4 without damage mods or 8711.61984 with 2 of them

Ishukone Assault Forge Gun Base Damage: 1,663.2
Forge Gun Proficiency Lv. 5: 15% Damage Buff

1,663.2+15% = 1912.68

If you add in 2 Heavy Complex Damage Mods: 2,286.8

With Forge Gun Operation at Lv. 5 the charge time is 1.875

That is 7.5 seconds to charge and fire all 4 shots.

A total of 7,650.72 without damage mods and 9,147.2 with 2 damage mods.

Wiyrkomi Breach Forge Gun:
2,772.0+15% = 3,187.8
3,187.8+19.56% = 3,811.33368

Charge time is 6.0 so...
6.0-15%=5.1
4.5*4 = 18 seconds

3,187.8*4 = 12,751.2
3,811.33368*4 = 15,245.3347

I'm not adding in all the officer forge gun info but as you can see the breach forge is the only one that can break 3k damage but at the cost of a lot of time, you're a sitting duck while charging it for the 4.5 seconds and on top of that if you miss that is another 4.5 seconds.

Forge guns make it interesting when I'm tanking. The only thing I find blatantly unfair about them is that they don't give away the shooter's position. I've turned the tables on a few swarm spammers, but never once have I been able to do the same to a forge sniper.

Forge guns used to glow when we charged them. I don't know why CCP changed them. I rather liked my forge flash light. I would stand behind friendly snipers and give away their position.

Any time a FG can shoot at you, if you have a rail you can hit him right back. Not knowing that is what makes you a scrub.

You mentioned that you sit up on a hill and get shot in the ass by a guy with a breach forge. Yeah, you are a bad tanker.

We need a basic IQ test before letting people skill into vehicles.

and what seperates me from alot of tankers: i do groundwork as well, but for real i only have roughly 4 mill into tanks, the rest into weapons and suits.

The dude with 3x Lai Dais also gimped himself due to fitting requirements and lack of AP 'nades against other infantry who can now slay him with abandon. He's also gotta get within blaster range of you... 'thrown over wall' issue comes with the issue that he cannot aim very effectively when he throws and any movement by you away from the killzone will nullify his grenade. Tanks are faster than any infantry. Kind of for a reason.

If you want to wade into the fray at point blank range alone and unsupported and try to farm kills while standing still, well, you get what you pay for.

i propose CCP nerfs the tanks ammo and falloff dmg.

and while we're at it, make it so that the rail gun tanks ALSO has to stand still to charge the railgun. much like the breach FG variation.

coz we all know those HAV with railguns love to snipe from a distance. make them also have a big ass ball of lightning so we can see them as well. its only fair to the FG if they decide to add in the ball of lightning effect.

lol OP wrote that the the breach FG needs 6 seconds, B-I-T-C-H please you know how long 6 seconds is to a heavy? and remember with a breach FG we can't move we literally stand still just in order to shoot your crappy ass tank.

You're either a bad troll or a complete idiot.

How does a 6 second charge not matter?
How does the 10k+ EHP of a tank not make a difference?
How does the tank's infinite ammo not make a difference?
How does the fact the tank can move and shoot, all while maintaining an infinite range not make a difference?
Why is it a problem that a Breach(It's wrykomi btw) forge gun has to take well over 20 seconds to kill a tank?
Why is it the Breach Forge Gunner(or any FGers) problem/fault that the tank did not react?

Tanks are meant to die. Forge guns - expecially the Breach - are meant to facilitate that.

HTFU, get over it, move on.

... they werent my tanks, only about 3 were, but many tanks were destoyed by them today, and those were ones that i was in that game when it happend, so dont go thinking other wise, or quit mishearing me.

Let look at it like this: I like playing Dust and using vehicles. I want to contribute to my team and improve my stats. On average I am either facing enemies who can do nothing to hurt me or ones who are extremely potent. Do I have a problem with this? Not really as any specialty has something to counter it.

Problem: Unless I go 35/0 and kill tons of proto suits plus installations I cannot afford to continue to play my niche. Plus my entire play style can be complete shut down by a single well supported forge gun user, if there is two I should just quit playing and wait for the game to end. Even if I am a well supported tanker there is little my team can do to help me either unless they all switch over to a sniper fit. It is sort of like if one person switches to a sniper fit on the enemy team now all AR users can barely play and if there is 2 snipers they should just quit.

Result: Tanks are an expensive niche that can be highly rewarding (like going 35/0) but can be quickly shut down by dedicated opposition thus countering the 8M+ SP I have into vehicles and due the the number of people out there with proto AV there is far less good games and more bad ones.

Reality: I just want to play the game and have fun. In order to do that I have to run the best tank possible which equals an expensive tank. A few decent AV users on an enemy team can cost me several million ISK and more or less lock me out of the game. That isn't fun.

Let look at it like this: I like playing Dust and using vehicles. I want to contribute to my team and improve my stats. On average I am either facing enemies who can do nothing to hurt me or ones who are extremely potent. Do I have a problem with this? Not really as any specialty has something to counter it.

Problem: Unless I go 35/0 and kill tons of proto suits plus installations I cannot afford to continue to play my niche. Plus my entire play style can be complete shut down by a single well supported forge gun user, if there is two I should just quit playing and wait for the game to end. Even if I am a well supported tanker there is little my team can do to help me either unless they all switch over to a sniper fit. It is sort of like if one person switches to a sniper fit on the enemy team now all AR users can barely play and if there is 2 snipers they should just quit.

Result: Tanks are an expensive niche that can be highly rewarding (like going 35/0) but can be quickly shut down by dedicated opposition thus countering the 8M+ SP I have into vehicles and due the the number of people out there with proto AV there is far less good games and more bad ones.

Reality: I just want to play the game and have fun. In order to do that I have to run the best tank possible which equals an expensive tank. A few decent AV users on an enemy team can cost me several million ISK and more or less lock me out of the game. That isn't fun.

That's what is really overpowered. While snipers need to be in the open to have a steay aim forge guns can simply pop out of cover for a second on a roof and do tons of damage with perfect accuracy, immediately popping back into cover before the tank or infantry has time to react.

Forge guns

Mobile
easy to hide
can be taken to tall buildings that tank cannot fire at
is harder to kill then a tank
can be well over a thousand HP

Forge guns

Mobile
easy to hide
can be taken to tall buildings that tank cannot fire at
is harder to kill then a tank
can be well over a thousand HP

look... the forge gun thing is mostly for the annoying campers up on a building or behind a rock that just moves around it and shoots and takes half your armor/ sheilds away, then kills you the next shot.

Let look at it like this: I like playing Dust and using vehicles. I want to contribute to my team and improve my stats. On average I am either facing enemies who can do nothing to hurt me or ones who are extremely potent. Do I have a problem with this? Not really as any specialty has something to counter it.

Problem: Unless I go 35/0 and kill tons of proto suits plus installations I cannot afford to continue to play my niche. Plus my entire play style can be complete shut down by a single well supported forge gun user, if there is two I should just quit playing and wait for the game to end. Even if I am a well supported tanker there is little my team can do to help me either unless they all switch over to a sniper fit. It is sort of like if one person switches to a sniper fit on the enemy team now all AR users can barely play and if there is 2 snipers they should just quit.

Result: Tanks are an expensive niche that can be highly rewarding (like going 35/0) but can be quickly shut down by dedicated opposition thus countering the 8M+ SP I have into vehicles and due the the number of people out there with proto AV there is far less good games and more bad ones.

Reality: I just want to play the game and have fun. In order to do that I have to run the best tank possible which equals an expensive tank. A few decent AV users on an enemy team can cost me several million ISK and more or less lock me out of the game. That isn't fun.