If you guys want the direct damage of a breach forge gun, you should have the 6 second charge and the inability to move while charging. I can almost guarantee none of the people complaining would use it on there tank. They just want buffs with out paying the price. Dont forget tanks are immune to sniper fire, can be recalled without a supply depot are immune to infantry small arms, can move really fast around the battlefield and are able to run people over, act as a spawn point either with a CRU or by carrying that **** on the suit inside and just hoping out for a second, are self repping at a huge rate, can provide cover for infantry, act as a bunker for almost dead troops, have a head shot spot that is on the very rear of the tank, can survive OB's. and a tank does have more DPS then a forge gun if they man the 2 small turrets inside!! and have UNLIMITED AMMO!

Also DPS on a tank STACKS FOR ALL mercs INSIDE! so any skill damage you have on the 3 people inside a tank will stack!

When your tank is not immune to 99% of the weapons in the game come complain to me about the 1% that can ******* kill you.

Do tanks need changes? YES

IS the forge gun the problem? no!

Tanks and lavs should give far more ISK per kill and should cost less.

The forge gun is not the issue!

they just want to be immune to 100% of the weapons in game!

Scrub tankers like you give the rest of us a bad name.

I enjoy fighting forge gunners, they are my hard counter. They can destroy me almost as quickly as i can destroy them.

much more eenjoyable experience than jumping swarmers, or the ever popular 3 guys in an LAV with AV nades.

Clearly you are a bad tanker because all of your complaints are invalid.

I hate to say it, but HTFU.

Just 3 Lai Dais against a Madrugar that's lost its shields is enough to destroy the tank. Just 3 stupid grenades.

Haha no we don't. We want prototype vehicles that can tank damage properly.

Yup. The forge gun is the only av that takes any skill to use. When I get led by a forge, I'm OK with that BC they were a good gunner. Swarms and nades on the other hand are fire and forget. The require no skill and any at scrub can get the proto in less than a month. You should be complaining about swarms that can make 180-¦ turns and navigate corners, if anything. Leave forge guns alone BC its all heavies have left.

Damn. Gonna have to get out my militia forge gun if i ever see the OP because i'd wager he sends some pretty epic hatemail when you blow up his tank.

lol i'll get all our heavies together and all carry a FG and when we see the OP we will destroy his tank

forge guns, they do more damage than rail-guns and they're hand held, and then the proficency gets the proto to 3K dmg, a railgun maxed out can only acheive around 2400 CCP, and dont say "well its charge is 6 seconds" that dosent matter, an entire ishukone breach clip into any tank destroys it, even if it has 10K sheild or armor, pelase make forge guns half damage, and make railguns have a bigger splash radius and or more damage.

I'm sorry, but I really don't see any problem with a prototype AV weapon doing a considerable amount of damage to a basic level vehicle.

OP is obviously QQing because he keeps getting killed in his tank and wants to make his tank invincible.

I've never seen this posted on the forums; maybe it's common knowledge. But you can actually jump while charging a breach forge :p

You look like a spaz, but hey. Movement = win!

Based on the way he complains, you can probably pop him with packed AV grenades just as easily. You will just have to take a LAV into the redline to do it.

y is it folks I've never seen on the forums or from corps with no kind of reputation complain about the stuff that isn't broken

Can't tell if your srs.... Here is the break down on my Forge damage. Also I didn't do the rounding so yeah.

Kaalakiota Forge Gun Base Damage: 1,584.0
Forge Gun Proficiency Lv. 5: 15% Damage buff

1,584.0+15% = 1,821.6

With 2 Complex Damage Mods: 19.56%

2,177.90496

With Forge Gun Operation at Lv. 5 the charge time is 2,625

That is 10.5 second to fire all shots that will do ether 7,286.4 without damage mods or 8711.61984 with 2 of them

Ishukone Assault Forge Gun Base Damage: 1,663.2
Forge Gun Proficiency Lv. 5: 15% Damage Buff

1,663.2+15% = 1912.68

If you add in 2 Heavy Complex Damage Mods: 2,286.8

With Forge Gun Operation at Lv. 5 the charge time is 1.875

That is 7.5 seconds to charge and fire all 4 shots.

A total of 7,650.72 without damage mods and 9,147.2 with 2 damage mods.

Wiyrkomi Breach Forge Gun:
2,772.0+15% = 3,187.8
3,187.8+19.56% = 3,811.33368

Charge time is 6.0 so...
6.0-15%=5.1
4.5*4 = 18 seconds

3,187.8*4 = 12,751.2
3,811.33368*4 = 15,245.3347

I'm not adding in all the officer forge gun info but as you can see the breach forge is the only one that can break 3k damage but at the cost of a lot of time, you're a sitting duck while charging it for the 4.5 seconds and on top of that if you miss that is another 4.5 seconds.

Forge guns make it interesting when I'm tanking. The only thing I find blatantly unfair about them is that they don't give away the shooter's position. I've turned the tables on a few swarm spammers, but never once have I been able to do the same to a forge sniper.

Forge guns used to glow when we charged them. I don't know why CCP changed them. I rather liked my forge flash light. I would stand behind friendly snipers and give away their position.