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GIZMO2606
Who Gives A Flux
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:11:00 -
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bear90211 wrote:forge guns, they do more damage than rail-guns and they're hand held, and then the proficency gets the proto to 3K dmg, a railgun maxed out can only acheive around 2400 CCP, and dont say "well its charge is 6 seconds" that dosent matter, an entire ishukone breach clip into any tank destroys it, even if it has 10K sheild or armor, pelase make forge guns half damage, and make railguns have a bigger splash radius and or more damage.
Can't tell if your srs.... Here is the break down on my Forge damage. Also I didn't do the rounding so yeah.
Kaalakiota Forge Gun Base Damage: 1,584.0
Forge Gun Proficiency Lv. 5: 15% Damage buff
1,584.0+15% = 1,821.6
With 2 Complex Damage Mods: 19.56%
2,177.90496
With Forge Gun Operation at Lv. 5 the charge time is 2,625
That is 10.5 second to fire all shots that will do ether 7,286.4 without damage mods or 8711.61984 with 2 of them
Ishukone Assault Forge Gun Base Damage: 1,663.2
Forge Gun Proficiency Lv. 5: 15% Damage Buff
1,663.2+15% = 1912.68
If you add in 2 Heavy Complex Damage Mods: 2,286.8
With Forge Gun Operation at Lv. 5 the charge time is 1.875
That is 7.5 seconds to charge and fire all 4 shots.
A total of 7,650.72 without damage mods and 9,147.2 with 2 damage mods.
Wiyrkomi Breach Forge Gun:
2,772.0+15% = 3,187.8
3,187.8+19.56% = 3,811.33368
Charge time is 6.0 so...
6.0-15%=5.1
4.5*4 = 18 seconds
3,187.8*4 = 12,751.2
3,811.33368*4 = 15,245.3347
I'm not adding in all the officer forge gun info but as you can see the breach forge is the only one that can break 3k damage but at the cost of a lot of time, you're a sitting duck while charging it for the 4.5 seconds and on top of that if you miss that is another 4.5 seconds. |
XxWarlordxX97
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:12:00 -
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bear90211 wrote:um, what about that really big hitter: the ishukone breach forge gun- 2772 base damage- no damage mods, then with lev 5 prof-3K +, with damage mods... 3500+
You can't move,It's a easy target for you |
XxWarlordxX97
Internal Error.
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:12:00 -
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SGT NOVA STAR wrote:XxWarlordxX97 wrote:SGT NOVA STAR wrote:Johnny Guilt wrote:Dont tank railgus/instalations shoot 2x as fast (no chrage up time) with more DPS that the forge? yes, however once you go proto forge with 2 damage mods and the assualt varient, it out DPS' the rail. and correction to OP, the standard breach FG with 2 damage mods will do 2,485 exactly (tested on 5k shield of CRU). iv been hit by 2 proto breach FG shots, and in the kill screen it said he did 10k damage to my maddy...hardeners were cooling unfortunately. i say leave them the way they are, because when the new tanks come in, it MAYBE wont be so bad. What sup Nova ello, been awhile
Yes it has |
bear90211
The Tickle Monsters
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:16:00 -
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XxWarlordxX97 wrote:bear90211 wrote:um, what about that really big hitter: the ishukone breach forge gun- 2772 base damage- no damage mods, then with lev 5 prof-3K +, with damage mods... 3500+ You can't move,It's a easy target for you
he sits above you almost vertically {assault/ moving through city], or on the feild, they will sneak up behind u and hit u in the engine area, destroying you immediatly.
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TuFar Gon
Sebiestor Field Sappers
Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:16:00 -
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bear90211 wrote:um, what about that really big hitter: the ishukone breach forge gun- 2772 base damage- no damage mods, then with lev 5 prof-3K +, with damage mods... 3500+
Ishukone breach?? Dude,,, knowledge bro |
XxWarlordxX97
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:18:00 -
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bear90211 wrote:XxWarlordxX97 wrote:bear90211 wrote:um, what about that really big hitter: the ishukone breach forge gun- 2772 base damage- no damage mods, then with lev 5 prof-3K +, with damage mods... 3500+ You can't move,It's a easy target for you he sits above you almost vertically {assault/ moving through city], or on the feild, they will sneak up behind u and hit u in the engine area, destroying you immediatly.
And you sit rite there |
bear90211
The Tickle Monsters
13
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:18:00 -
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TuFar Gon wrote:bear90211 wrote:um, what about that really big hitter: the ishukone breach forge gun- 2772 base damage- no damage mods, then with lev 5 prof-3K +, with damage mods... 3500+ Ishukone breach?? Dude,,, knowledge bro
i know i know... its the kalaakota one, but i probs spelled that wrong too, XD |
bear90211
The Tickle Monsters
13
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:20:00 -
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XxWarlordxX97 wrote:bear90211 wrote:XxWarlordxX97 wrote:bear90211 wrote:um, what about that really big hitter: the ishukone breach forge gun- 2772 base damage- no damage mods, then with lev 5 prof-3K +, with damage mods... 3500+ You can't move,It's a easy target for you he sits above you almost vertically {assault/ moving through city], or on the feild, they will sneak up behind u and hit u in the engine area, destroying you immediatly. And you sit rite there
when your sitting right there, your railgunning long range targets and he dosent pop up on your radar, when your moving through the city he has about 3 shots off at you cuz of all the traffic and obstacles. |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
197
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:21:00 -
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bear90211 wrote:XxWarlordxX97 wrote:bear90211 wrote:um, what about that really big hitter: the ishukone breach forge gun- 2772 base damage- no damage mods, then with lev 5 prof-3K +, with damage mods... 3500+ You can't move,It's a easy target for you he sits above you almost vertically {assault/ moving through city], or on the feild, they will sneak up behind u and hit u in the engine area, destroying you immediatly.
those super speed sneaky heavies are ninjas man im telling ya |
AfroSunshineY Consequence
Clan Choinnich
49
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:23:00 -
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bear90211 wrote:forge guns, they do more damage than rail-guns and they're hand held, and then the proficency gets the proto to 3K dmg, a railgun maxed out can only acheive around 2400 CCP, and dont say "well its charge is 6 seconds" that dosent matter, an entire ishukone breach clip into any tank destroys it, even if it has 10K sheild or armor, pelase make forge guns half damage, and make railguns have a bigger splash radius and or more damage.
"Wahh, there's something out there that is better than my style of play. Nerf it and buff mine please because I can't play without a win button"
What I read.
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bear90211
The Tickle Monsters
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:23:00 -
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Johnny Guilt wrote:bear90211 wrote:XxWarlordxX97 wrote:bear90211 wrote:um, what about that really big hitter: the ishukone breach forge gun- 2772 base damage- no damage mods, then with lev 5 prof-3K +, with damage mods... 3500+ You can't move,It's a easy target for you he sits above you almost vertically {assault/ moving through city], or on the feild, they will sneak up behind u and hit u in the engine area, destroying you immediatly. those super speed sneaky heavies are ninjas man im telling ya
HAHAHA VARY FUNNY.... -_- no, they come from behind like 150 meters away, then they just move closer from dirrectly behind u man -_- |
Rogatien Merc
Red Star.
EoN.
490
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:23:00 -
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Already restricted by ammo requirements and lacks the mobility provided by the railgun's platform.
Does not have zoom capability.
The railgun will also one-shot the forge gun 
Next. |
bear90211
The Tickle Monsters
13
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:26:00 -
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AfroSunshineY Consequence wrote:bear90211 wrote:forge guns, they do more damage than rail-guns and they're hand held, and then the proficency gets the proto to 3K dmg, a railgun maxed out can only acheive around 2400 CCP, and dont say "well its charge is 6 seconds" that dosent matter, an entire ishukone breach clip into any tank destroys it, even if it has 10K sheild or armor, pelase make forge guns half damage, and make railguns have a bigger splash radius and or more damage. "Wahh, there's something out there that is better than my style of play. Nerf it and buff mine please because I can't play without a win button" What I read.
thats not what i mean at all, us railtankers just sit way back and barely do anything to effect the victory or defeat, but the forge gunners just want to kill you cuz your tank costs alot, and their forge guns are WAY op for being hand held. |
Nauclerus stellarum
ROYAL SQUAD
Shadow of the Apocalypse
0
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:27:00 -
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qqqq all the way home
What wish your tanks can walk all over everyone so you can chest bump with all your Bros?
But forges and av and swarms ruin your day cause you cant get close?
What for a good map with lots of cover and play with a team thats smart,
Then you can shower yourself in high fives and glorious deads
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6456
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:27:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote:Already restricted by ammo requirements and lacks the mobility provided by the railgun's platform. Does not have zoom capability. The railgun will also one-shot the forge gun Next.
Back before chromosome deployed I actually survived a rail shot to the shoulder and it spun me around and made me miss the tank completely (back when damage would jerk your aim from even a small bullet. ) The second firing however finished me off while I stood there in stupor wondering how in the hell did I survive.
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bear90211
The Tickle Monsters
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:28:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote:Already restricted by ammo requirements and lacks the mobility provided by the railgun's platform. Does not have zoom capability. The railgun will also one-shot the forge gun Next.
you dont get what i mean... its just that they do way to much damage, they have people with nanohives up almost dirrectly above you, and you cant even get at an angle to shoot them, or theyy come up behind your really expensive tank, and kill it with their 30K-77K forge gun that he switches out to a malitia AR after killing you. |
bear90211
The Tickle Monsters
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:30:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Rogatien Merc wrote:Already restricted by ammo requirements and lacks the mobility provided by the railgun's platform. Does not have zoom capability. The railgun will also one-shot the forge gun Next. Back before chromosome deployed I actually survived a rail shot to the shoulder and it spun me around and made me miss the tank completely (back when damage would jerk your aim from even a small bullet. ) The second firing however finished me off while I stood there in stupor wondering how in the hell did I survive.
sorry to quote this, but it probably was spash damage or it exploded right next to you(maxed out range) |
bear90211
The Tickle Monsters
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:32:00 -
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and railgun splash damage is not what its suposed to be, its to be much higher, the forge gun get more splash dmg than a rail, but it dosent say that on the charts -_- |
CuuCH Crusher
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:43:00 -
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Op is an obvious troll. If you get destroyed by a breach forge gun that means that you sat in the same place for 18 seconds. That couple with the fact that breach forge guns make it so you can't move while charging, means if you get blown up by one, you have no business being in a tank. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
879
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:50:00 -
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bear90211 wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Tank railguns:
Infinite ammo
Can fire whilst moving at speed
Can be moved at speed
Several Xzoom
Several thousand hp weapon platform ... but railguns cant hit dirrectly above them, and... nothing can thats a vehicle.
Oh no, did your poor rock come across some paper dropships? Diddums. |
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bear90211
The Tickle Monsters
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:52:00 -
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CuuCH Crusher wrote:Op is an obvious troll. If you get destroyed by a breach forge gun that means that you sat in the same place for 18 seconds. That couple with the fact that breach forge guns make it so you can't move while charging, means if you get blown up by one, you have no business being in a tank.
you don't get it, i mean that if you are using a railgun and you sit up on a hill and shoot at things or other vehicles then a little trollface come from behind you and you cant see him on your radar, he kills you instantly by hitting you in the engine, almost 7K+ dmg. |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
63
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:53:00 -
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GTA-V FTW wrote:I demand a respec! 
Are you the random person who keeps posting this exact same comment on every single nerf thread? Or not nerf thread... |
TITANIC Xangore
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
114
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:54:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Tank railguns:
Infinite ammo
Can fire whilst moving at speed
Can be moved at speed
Several Xzoom
Several thousand hp weapon platform
Forge guns
Mobile
easy to hide
can be taken to tall buildings that tank cannot fire at
is harder to kill then a tank
can be well over a thousand HP |
bear90211
The Tickle Monsters
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:54:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:bear90211 wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Tank railguns:
Infinite ammo
Can fire whilst moving at speed
Can be moved at speed
Several Xzoom
Several thousand hp weapon platform ... but railguns cant hit dirrectly above them, and... nothing can thats a vehicle. Oh no, did your poor rock come across some paper dropships? Diddums.
and that comes from someone that has not been in a tank with some incubises right above your head with proto missle launchers, we can have you put in our place next time. |
bear90211
The Tickle Monsters
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:57:00 -
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TITANIC Xangore wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Tank railguns:
Infinite ammo
Can fire whilst moving at speed
Can be moved at speed
Several Xzoom
Several thousand hp weapon platform Forge guns Mobile easy to hide can be taken to tall buildings that tank cannot fire at is harder to kill then a tank can be well over a thousand HP
yes, yes, you get my point. |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD
548
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:57:00 -
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I love how the OP ignores the fact that he can position his tank to shoot vertically, if he tried.
Also, lets not forget that railguns have double the range of forges.
Of course, anyone who lets a forge gunner dump a whole magazine of breach forge into them probably shouldn't be tanking in the first place.
FGs are strong, but not OP. Limited ammo, not the best solution for up close fighting with infantry, CPU and PG intensive, SP intensive to make everything fit into a decent heavy suit without sacrificing armor reps, a sidearm and a grenade., and the fact that they are in a heavy suit means they can't jump around like swarm users, and are pretty easy to peg once they try to engage you. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
879
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:58:00 -
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bear90211 wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:bear90211 wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Tank railguns:
Infinite ammo
Can fire whilst moving at speed
Can be moved at speed
Several Xzoom
Several thousand hp weapon platform ... but railguns cant hit dirrectly above them, and... nothing can thats a vehicle. Oh no, did your poor rock come across some paper dropships? Diddums. and that comes from someone that has not been in a tank with some incubises right above your head with proto missle launchers, we can have you put in our place next time.
You assume wrong.
Guess what: nothing on the battlefield is supposed to be able to destroy everything it comes across.
You're a privileged bunch who will never be happy until you're immortal. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
277
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:58:00 -
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"NERF NOW!"
"It's nerf or nothin"
^^^ *inscribed above the entrance to CCP Hilmar's office* |
bear90211
The Tickle Monsters
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:58:00 -
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wow, 3 pages worth of replies, and half of them are probably from forge gunners themselfs or people that didnt read what i said, lol |
bear90211
The Tickle Monsters
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Posted - 2013.07.23 21:00:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:bear90211 wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:bear90211 wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Tank railguns:
Infinite ammo
Can fire whilst moving at speed
Can be moved at speed
Several Xzoom
Several thousand hp weapon platform ... but railguns cant hit dirrectly above them, and... nothing can thats a vehicle. Oh no, did your poor rock come across some paper dropships? Diddums. and that comes from someone that has not been in a tank with some incubises right above your head with proto missle launchers, we can have you put in our place next time. You assume wrong. Guess what: nothing on the battlefield is supposed to be able to destroy everything it comes across. You're a privileged bunch who will never be happy until you're immortal.
no, i dont expect to destroy or troll stomp everything i come across, its just annoying having something that you cant harm or make go away -_- |
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