Since the Calogi suit is going to be nerfed into uselessness, even for real logis, anybody who specd into proto just lost out on 2.5 million SP, as we are being forced to go into a different class to be of some use.

2.5 million is just about how much I have made since the beginning of Uprising, which has been a little over 6 months. So not only is CCP stealing 2.5 million SP from me, but also 6 months of playing the game grinding away every single week to reach the cap (I rarely use boosters).

Despite the mass rejoicing of our impending doom, nobody can claim this to be fair and reasonable (unless they're trolling of course ).

Since the Calogi suit is going to be nerfed into uselessness, even for real logis, anybody who specd into proto just lost out on 2.5 million SP, as we are being forced to go into a different class to be of some use.

2.5 million is just about how much I have made since the beginning of Uprising, which has been a little over 6 months. So not only is CCP stealing 2.5 million SP from me, but also 6 months of playing the game grinding away every single week to reach the cap (I rarely use boosters).

Despite the mass rejoicing of our impending doom, nobody can claim this to be fair and reasonable (unless they're trolling of course ).

Since the Calogi suit is going to be nerfed into uselessness, even for real logis, anybody who specd into proto just lost out on 2.5 million SP, as we are being forced to go into a different class to be of some use.

2.5 million is just about how much I have made since the beginning of Uprising, which has been a little over 6 months. So not only is CCP stealing 2.5 million SP from me, but also 6 months of playing the game grinding away every single week to reach the cap (I rarely use boosters).

Despite the mass rejoicing of our impending doom, nobody can claim this to be fair and reasonable (unless they're trolling of course ).

Since the Calogi suit is going to be nerfed into uselessness, even for real logis, anybody who specd into proto just lost out on 2.5 million SP, as we are being forced to go into a different class to be of some use.

2.5 million is just about how much I have made since the beginning of Uprising, which has been a little over 6 months. So not only is CCP stealing 2.5 million SP from me, but also 6 months of playing the game grinding away every single week to reach the cap (I rarely use boosters).

Despite the mass rejoicing of our impending doom, nobody can claim this to be fair and reasonable (unless they're trolling of course ).

Since the Calogi suit is going to be nerfed into uselessness, even for real logis, anybody who specd into proto just lost out on 2.5 million SP, as we are being forced to go into a different class to be of some use.

2.5 million is just about how much I have made since the beginning of Uprising, which has been a little over 6 months. So not only is CCP stealing 2.5 million SP from me, but also 6 months of playing the game grinding away every single week to reach the cap (I rarely use boosters).

Despite the mass rejoicing of our impending doom, nobody can claim this to be fair and reasonable (unless they're trolling of course ).

Since the Calogi suit is going to be nerfed into uselessness, even for real logis, anybody who specd into proto just lost out on 2.5 million SP, as we are being forced to go into a different class to be of some use.

2.5 million is just about how much I have made since the beginning of Uprising, which has been a little over 6 months. So not only is CCP stealing 2.5 million SP from me, but also 6 months of playing the game grinding away every single week to reach the cap (I rarely use boosters).

Despite the mass rejoicing of our impending doom, nobody can claim this to be fair and reasonable (unless they're trolling of course ).

wut, your OP godsuit is no longer OP. Cry me a river.

I put this here again, because apparently, math isn't your strong suit:

6*30*24000=4.32 mil SP from passive alone.

Now, this doesn't discredit your complaint....much, but 2.5 mil SP, while nothing to sneeze at, isn't 6 months worth of SP, not even for a character that never plays.

I started uprising with 10.2 or 10.3 million SP. I now have 12.8 million SP.

So unless I got severely ganked in SP, your maths is incorrect.

Tanks take more sp so there nerf is the biggest

Uprising is something like 2 months old. My math is fine, your memory isn't.

Since the Calogi suit is going to be nerfed into uselessness, even for real logis, anybody who specd into proto just lost out on 2.5 million SP, as we are being forced to go into a different class to be of some use.

2.5 million is just about how much I have made since the beginning of Uprising, which has been a little over 6 months. So not only is CCP stealing 2.5 million SP from me, but also 6 months of playing the game grinding away every single week to reach the cap (I rarely use boosters).

Despite the mass rejoicing of our impending doom, nobody can claim this to be fair and reasonable (unless they're trolling of course ).

14 million.

Yes, i just edited my last post to reflect that. I'll fix OP next.


But hey, still 2 months and 2.5 million SP down the drain, which is nothing to squawk at.

Get "gud" scrub?

lol, damn that was harsh:

"Well I don't play dust as much as others because I have a job and a wife and two kids, and I can't really aford to buy boosters either, and now my only suit got nerfed"

"get gud scrub."

Harsh man, harsh.

Don't forget the two 3x SP events that have happened since uprising hit.

Since the Calogi suit is going to be nerfed into uselessness, even for real logis, anybody who specd into proto just lost out on 2.5 million SP, as we are being forced to go into a different class to be of some use.

2.5 million is just about how much I have made since the beginning of Uprising, which has been a little over 2 months. So not only is CCP stealing 2.5 million SP from me, but also 2+ months of playing the game grinding away every single week to reach the cap (I rarely use boosters).

Despite the mass rejoicing of our impending doom, nobody can claim this to be fair and reasonable (unless they're trolling of course ).

EDIT: was 2 months, not 6.

Ah good point, so without those events (which were almost a million SP a piece by themselves) it's at least a month or two extra.

Since the Calogi suit is going to be nerfed into uselessness, even for real logis, anybody who specd into proto just lost out on 2.5 million SP, as we are being forced to go into a different class to be of some use.

2.5 million is just about how much I have made since the beginning of Uprising, which has been a little over 2 months. So not only is CCP stealing 2.5 million SP from me, but also 2+ months of playing the game grinding away every single week to reach the cap (I rarely use boosters).

Despite the mass rejoicing of our impending doom, nobody can claim this to be fair and reasonable (unless they're trolling of course ).

EDIT: was 2 months, not 6.

I wouldn't call it nerfed into uselessness. I took it against a squad of Team Players and didn't do terrible, considering I was on a team of blueberries. The catch is that I actually use it as a support suit.
It isn't the same, for sure, but I don't think it's useless. The CPU nerf was unwarranted, but losing the 300 or so HP didnt make me awful...just less of a take-heavies-on-by-myself to a regular joe with average powers.

Ah good point, so without those events (which were almost a million SP a piece by themselves) it's at least a month or two extra.

Real men use adv basic suits

Real men use recruit items.

Another whiner. Hey...psst! You should've saw this coming as you know...Logi's aren't meant to tank with over 500 shield. They're suppose to be SUPPORT not bullet sponges. It isn't useless you can now recover your shield faster. Trading tanking for recovery which is fitting for a SUPPORT role.

These changes haven't deployed yet...

How are we suppose to help you if we die faster? Then we are just pointless people who die and are herp a derp scrubs because we cant match 200 ehp

*eats popcorn*

Wait, have they? I haven't logged in

How are we suppose to help you if we die faster? Then we are just pointless people who die and are herp a derp scrubs because we cant match 200 ehp

I wouldn't call it nerfed into uselessness. I took it against a squad of Team Players and didn't do terrible, considering I was on a team of blueberries. The catch is that I actually use it as a support suit.
It isn't the same, for sure, but I don't think it's useless. The CPU nerf was unwarranted, but losing the 300 or so HP didnt make me awful...just less of a take-heavies-on-by-myself to a regular joe with average powers.

I did some math based on my current suit and my current skills.

If they implemented the change right now, the suit I have been using will be gimped as follows:

- Going from a total of 603 CPU down to 516 CPU (loss of 87 CPU) -- My current fit requires 589... so that's out the window.
- Shields going down from 670 to 546 (loss of 124 shields)


This is a pretty big hit, could be worse in the shield department (although it is the equivalent of anybody else losing two complex shield extenders on their suits, which makes it a big deal if you think about it like that). But the worst is the 87 CPU hit, I mean that is beyond overkill.

I did some math based on my current suit and my current skills.

If they implemented the change right now, the suit I have been using will be gimped as follows:

- Going from a total of 603 CPU down to 516 CPU (loss of 87 CPU) -- My current fit requires 589... so that's out the window.
- Shields going down from 670 to 546 (loss of 124 shields)


This is a pretty big hit, could be worse in the shield department (although it is the equivalent of anybody else losing two complex shield extenders on their suits, which makes it a big deal if you think about it like that). But the worst is the 87 CPU hit, I mean that is beyond overkill.

Yes, i just edited my last post to reflect that. I'll fix OP next.


But hey, still 2 months and 2.5 million SP down the drain, which is nothing to squawk at.

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Since the Calogi suit is going to be nerfed into uselessness, even for real logis, anybody who specd into proto just lost out on 2.5 million SP, as we are being forced to go into a different class to be of some use.

2.5 million is just about how much I have made since the beginning of Uprising, which has been a little over 2 months. So not only is CCP stealing 2.5 million SP from me, but also 2+ months of playing the game grinding away every single week to reach the cap (I rarely use boosters).

Despite the mass rejoicing of our impending doom, nobody can claim this to be fair and reasonable (unless they're trolling of course ).

EDIT: was 2 months, not 6.

Since the Calogi suit is going to be nerfed into uselessness, even for real logis, anybody who specd into proto just lost out on 2.5 million SP, as we are being forced to go into a different class to be of some use.

2.5 million is just about how much I have made since the beginning of Uprising, which has been a little over 2 months. So not only is CCP stealing 2.5 million SP from me, but also 2+ months of playing the game grinding away every single week to reach the cap (I rarely use boosters).

Despite the mass rejoicing of our impending doom, nobody can claim this to be fair and reasonable (unless they're trolling of course ).

EDIT: was 2 months, not 6.

Explain the math on the CPU please. The difference is 20 CPU which with skills is 26.25. How are you getting 87?

What about the skill that adds 1% CPU and PG? You should be hitting 511 on a logi, not 456

So you will still be able to fit the suit, just work on your core skills, and maybe upgrade to the complex CPU upgrade.

Tanks take more sp so there nerf is the biggest

Pffft, how would you like to suck it? Because people like you abusing a clearly OP suit COULD of gotten the entire class nerfed hard, but instead you are the only one regretting your logissault choice, seems fair to me.

Yeah I am not maxed out on those, so I only have the ~23% CPU boost. Although TBO it should be more with what I do have upgraded, I have level 4 in electronics, and level 3 in core, which should add to ~1.25 or roughly 25% CPU boost, but going from 390 to 482 is not a 25% boost. *shrugs*

But electronics level 5 is ridiculously expensive, 777k SP

At this point I am not sure if I should be saving for another suit or if I just go with what I have and get more core upgraded. So far the CPU penalty isn't anything I can't work out by swapping some modules or weapons, although the shield hit will be noticeable.

Since the Calogi suit is going to be nerfed into uselessness, even for real logis, anybody who specd into proto just lost out on 2.5 million SP, as we are being forced to go into a different class to be of some use.

2.5 million is just about how much I have made since the beginning of Uprising, which has been a little over 2 months. So not only is CCP stealing 2.5 million SP from me, but also 2+ months of playing the game grinding away every single week to reach the cap (I rarely use boosters).

Despite the mass rejoicing of our impending doom, nobody can claim this to be fair and reasonable (unless they're trolling of course ).

EDIT: was 2 months, not 6.

No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update.

Yeah I am not maxed out on those, so I only have the ~23% CPU boost. Although TBO it should be more with what I do have upgraded, I have level 4 in electronics, and level 3 in core, which should add to ~1.25 or roughly 25% CPU boost, but going from 390 to 482 is not a 25% boost. *shrugs*

But electronics level 5 is ridiculously expensive, 777k SP

At this point I am not sure if I should be saving for another suit or if I just go with what I have and get more core upgraded. So far the CPU penalty isn't anything I can't work out by swapping some modules or weapons, although the shield hit will be noticeable.

Starting to think none of you turkeys have ever heard of flux grenades

Also the irony of your statement is... ironic.

Since the Calogi suit is going to be nerfed into uselessness, even for real logis, anybody who specd into proto just lost out on 2.5 million SP, as we are being forced to go into a different class to be of some use.

2.5 million is just about how much I have made since the beginning of Uprising, which has been a little over 2 months. So not only is CCP stealing 2.5 million SP from me, but also 2+ months of playing the game grinding away every single week to reach the cap (I rarely use boosters).

Despite the mass rejoicing of our impending doom, nobody can claim this to be fair and reasonable (unless they're trolling of course ).

EDIT: was 2 months, not 6.

Yeah I am not maxed out on those, so I only have the ~23% CPU boost. Although TBO it should be more with what I do have upgraded, I have level 4 in electronics, and level 3 in core, which should add to ~1.25 or roughly 25% CPU boost, but going from 390 to 482 is not a 25% boost. *shrugs*

But electronics level 5 is ridiculously expensive, 777k SP

At this point I am not sure if I should be saving for another suit or if I just go with what I have and get more core upgraded. So far the CPU penalty isn't anything I can't work out by swapping some modules or weapons, although the shield hit will be noticeable.

your a logi...your job is not to kill....

Well if I'm not mistaken:

If we go ahead and take a look at complex shield regulators, with the 25% bonus to regulators now, a single regulator will reduce shield recharge delays by (1.25 x 25) = 31%

If you equip 2 of those and we take into account stacking penalties, we have a 66% reduction to shield recharge delays.

What does this mean? If shields are partially damaged and you have two complex regulators on a CalLogi with its racial skill at five, your shields begin regenerating in 5 - (5 x 0.66) = 1.7 seconds.
If your shields are depleted, regeneration begins in 8 - (8 x 0.66) = 2.7 seconds.

Okay, how about 3 regulators?

Individual bonuses: 31.00%, 26.94%, 17.69%
Total bonus: 95.71%

4 regulators?

Individual bonuses: 31.00%, 26.94%, 17.69%, 8.77%
Total bonus: 112.88% (LOL!)

How about that, hey? Even with 3 regulators, technically you almost have a permanent passive shield regeneration rate of 20hp/s.

So, nerf or no nerf? Hell, you could argue this is a buff for some playstyles.

I love irony but I don't see any here Help, please.

wut, your OP godsuit is no longer OP

Cry me a river.

Since the Calogi suit is going to be nerfed into uselessness, even for real logis, anybody who specd into proto just lost out on 2.5 million SP, as we are being forced to go into a different class to be of some use.

2.5 million is just about how much I have made since the beginning of Uprising, which has been a little over 2 months. So not only is CCP stealing 2.5 million SP from me, but also 2+ months of playing the game grinding away every single week to reach the cap (I rarely use boosters).

Despite the mass rejoicing of our impending doom, nobody can claim this to be fair and reasonable (unless they're trolling of course ).

EDIT: was 2 months, not 6.

Exagerating much ? "Nerfed to uselessness, even for real logis" Gtfo.

I did some math with fitting tools 3 weeks ago when i got the info from Remnant. And the Cal Logi very much remains the most powerfull logi in the mix. I'm amazed by how many people i see crying about their favorite OP toy. You should have thought twice before skilling into this suit and use it to a different purpose than what it's made for in the first place.

ESPECIALLY, when there's been a respec between now and the beginning of Uprising.

As for all those who cry "respec here, and respec there". Know that i will roadblock those demands as hard as i can. Why ? First because i'll enjoy collecting tears and second because those kind of adjustments are gonna be VERY frequent. And we cannot have a respec anytime someone has his precious thing tweaked.

But seriously, go cry us a river OP. So sad your suit cant go over 1K HP anymore.

Exagerating much ? "Nerfed to uselessness, even for real logis" Gtfo.

I did some math with fitting tools 3 weeks ago when i got the info from Remnant. And the Cal Logi very much remains the most powerfull logi in the mix. I'm amazed by how many people i see crying about their favorite OP toy. You should have thought twice before skilling into this suit and use it to a different purpose than what it's made for in the first place.

ESPECIALLY, when there's been a respec between now and the beginning of Uprising.

As for all those who cry "respec here, and respec there". Know that i will roadblock those demands as hard as i can. Why ? First because i'll enjoy collecting tears and second because those kind of adjustments are gonna be VERY frequent. And we cannot have a respec anytime someone has his precious thing tweaked.

But seriously, go cry us a river OP. So sad your suit cant go over 1K HP anymore.

1.25(1.15(.283 GÇó 25) + 1.25(1.15(.571 GÇó 25) + 1.25(1.15(.869 GÇó 25) + 1.25(1.15 GÇó 25) =-áYou do it I don't feel like typing all that in to the calculator.

Also I calculated the shield regulator skill bonus at 1.15 going off memory, if I'm wrong just sub the right factor in.

Hay I made a mistake... Hunh. I forgot to stack them individually:

wa GÇó xb GÇó yc GÇó dz = e

Where

w = 5 (original shield regeneration time)
a = 1.25(1.15 GÇó .25)
x = the product of "wa"
b = 1.25(1.15(.869 GÇó 25)
y = the product of "xb"
c = 1.25(1.15(.571 GÇó 25)
d = the product of "yc"
z = 1.25(1.15(.283 GÇó 25)

That should be the correct formula.

Sorry, I haven't written equations in a long time. It was fun though.

Modified it a little, made it 1-a, 1-b, 1-c, 1-z since we're decreasing the shield recharge delay value by that percentage, not finding that percentage of it.

Going by that, you're right, I made quite a big mistake by not stacking individually. Therefore, results are:

For shield recharge delay of 5 seconds (shields not depleted):

1 regulator: 3.28 seconds (65.6% of 5 seconds; 34.4% reduction)
2 regulators: 2.3 seconds (46% of 5 seconds; 54% reduction)
3: 1.85 seconds (37%; 63%)
4: 1.67 seconds (33.4%; 66.6%)

So 2-3 regulators would still be incredibly powerful, especially if you keep 3-4 extenders.

This just in, "Top Tier" corps come on the forums in the masses to whine about the CalLogi nerf.

"Top Tier" corps use CalLogi as Assault? Who knew?

All this crying is starting to get real old, real fast.

Exagerating much ? "Nerfed to uselessness, even for real logis" Gtfo.

I did some math with fitting tools 3 weeks ago when i got the info from Remnant. And the Cal Logi very much remains the most powerfull logi in the mix. I'm amazed by how many people i see crying about their favorite OP toy. You should have thought twice before skilling into this suit and use it to a different purpose than what it's made for in the first place.

ESPECIALLY, when there's been a respec between now and the beginning of Uprising.

As for all those who cry "respec here, and respec there". Know that i will roadblock those demands as hard as i can. Why ? First because i'll enjoy collecting tears and second because those kind of adjustments are gonna be VERY frequent. And we cannot have a respec anytime someone has his precious thing tweaked.

But seriously, go cry us a river OP. So sad your suit cant go over 1K HP anymore.

Wow, when are we going to get CPM's that arent biased jerks?

I may just be a lonely merc who's voice means little to nothing, but your attitude is WAY out of line for the position you hold.

Says the guy looking for a sympathy handy because is OP toy's days are numbered.

Since the Calogi suit is going to be nerfed into uselessness, even for real logis, anybody who specd into proto just lost out on 2.5 million SP, as we are being forced to go into a different class to be of some use.

Calogis were only OP to the players who did not know what a flux nade was. Seriously, WTF?

So much hate, it's insane! Calogis are becoming the scapegoat for terribad players not knowing how to play a game with more than satisfactory countermeasures to one type of play-style.

My goodness!

1.25(1.15(.283 GÇó 25) + 1.25(1.15(.571 GÇó 25) + 1.25(1.15(.869 GÇó 25) + 1.25(1.15 GÇó 25) =-áYou do it I don't feel like typing all that in to the calculator.

Also I calculated the shield regulator skill bonus at 1.15 going off memory, if I'm wrong just sub the right factor in.

Man i can't wait to see these guys getting mowed down with my Winmatar suit. If anything we have someone to thank for all this, you think playing in a sub-par suit for the last 4 months would perhaps hone the skills needed to rub salt in the wounds when the nerf kicks in.

Gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside.

PS leave the FP as it is for a week after the Cal suit nerf, then we can get some real good tears.

Since the Calogi suit is going to be nerfed into uselessness, even for real logis, anybody who specd into proto just lost out on 2.5 million SP, as we are being forced to go into a different class to be of some use.

2.5 million is just about how much I have made since the beginning of Uprising, which has been a little over 2 months. So not only is CCP stealing 2.5 million SP from me, but also 2+ months of playing the game grinding away every single week to reach the cap (I rarely use boosters).

Despite the mass rejoicing of our impending doom, nobody can claim this to be fair and reasonable (unless they're trolling of course ).

EDIT: was 2 months, not 6.

Well if I'm not mistaken:

If we go ahead and take a look at complex shield regulators, with the 25% bonus to regulators now, a single regulator will reduce shield recharge delays by (1.25 x 25) = 31%

If you equip 2 of those and we take into account stacking penalties, we have a 66% reduction to shield recharge delays.

What does this mean? If shields are partially damaged and you have two complex regulators on a CalLogi with its racial skill at five, your shields begin regenerating in 5 - (5 x 0.66) = 1.7 seconds.
If your shields are depleted, regeneration begins in 8 - (8 x 0.66) = 2.7 seconds.

Okay, how about 3 regulators?

Individual bonuses: 31.00%, 26.94%, 17.69%
Total bonus: 95.71%

4 regulators?

Individual bonuses: 31.00%, 26.94%, 17.69%, 8.77%
Total bonus: 112.88% (LOL!)

How about that, hey? Even with 3 regulators, technically you almost have a permanent passive shield regeneration rate of 20hp/s.

So, nerf or no nerf? Hell, you could argue this is a buff for some playstyles.

If a slight reduction in CPU and a lower shield recharge and extension are enough to make you useless, then it's time to admit that you are nothing without your gear.

Exagerating much ? "Nerfed to uselessness, even for real logis" Gtfo.

I did some math with fitting tools 3 weeks ago when i got the info from Remnant. And the Cal Logi very much remains the most powerfull logi in the mix. I'm amazed by how many people i see crying about their favorite OP toy. You should have thought twice before skilling into this suit and use it to a different purpose than what it's made for in the first place.

ESPECIALLY, when there's been a respec between now and the beginning of Uprising.

As for all those who cry "respec here, and respec there". Know that i will roadblock those demands as hard as i can. Why ? First because i'll enjoy collecting tears and second because those kind of adjustments are gonna be VERY frequent. And we cannot have a respec anytime someone has his precious thing tweaked.

But seriously, go cry us a river OP. So sad your suit cant go over 1K HP anymore.

Since the Calogi suit is going to be nerfed into uselessness, even for real logis

anybody who specd into proto just lost out on 2.5 million SP, as we are being forced to go into a different class to be of some use.

nobody can claim this to be fair and reasonable (unless they're trolling of course ).

At 511 CPU with maxed skills, you're probably using a BASIC CPU upgrade to bring you up to 603. The solution here is obvious bro... upgrade your upgrade

Until a real baseline of balance is established and the game's content is filled out I really think that respects should be allowed with each patch or at least a refund of the skills that a directly impacted by a balance change until we reach that baseline. I believe this would allow CCP to actually have more freedom to perform balance adjustments in a meaningful way.

The only issue is that the respect system really has to be automated (and that would mean coding), so that it doesn't eat up a HUGE chunk of resources in dealing with the respects by hand.

I know a lot of people want to point their fingers at Cal Logis and go "HA HA", but quite frankly there is no reason to punish players for using the resources given to them to the best of their ability. It's so important that we move forward together as a community to improve this game.

For me that means Devs communicating to the community changes that they plan BEFORE they are locked in and giving those optional respecs (character or skill specific) to allow both the developers and the community the freedom to test and find the game balance that we are all looking for.

Since the Calogi suit is going to be nerfed into uselessness, even for real logis, anybody who specd into proto just lost out on 2.5 million SP, as we are being forced to go into a different class to be of some use.

2.5 million is just about how much I have made since the beginning of Uprising, which has been a little over 2 months. So not only is CCP stealing 2.5 million SP from me, but also 2+ months of playing the game grinding away every single week to reach the cap (I rarely use boosters).

Despite the mass rejoicing of our impending doom, nobody can claim this to be fair and reasonable (unless they're trolling of course ).

EDIT: was 2 months, not 6.

2.2 million SP, I'm sure you will still get use out of that 0.3 million SP from the Caldari Medfium Frame Lv 3
It has not been 6 months since Uprising, it has been 2 months. You are correct though that it takes about 6 weeks without boosters to get 2.2 million SP.
If you wanted to be an assault player, you should have spec'd into assault suits. If you are an assault player who spec'd into logistics suit you must of read someone or noticed for yourself how OP its bonuses were which made it a super assault, and jumped on board knowing full well that it was broken and would one day get nerfed.

You guys are pathetic.


You had your moment and now it's passed. Adapt, quit or whatever. Just don't make yourself sound like the wounded party.

Respecs aren't needed but 3x SP event everytime they have a balance patch IS needed.

Since the Calogi suit is going to be nerfed into uselessness, even for real logis, anybody who specd into proto just lost out on 2.5 million SP, as we are being forced to go into a different class to be of some use.

2.5 million is just about how much I have made since the beginning of Uprising, which has been a little over 2 months. So not only is CCP stealing 2.5 million SP from me, but also 2+ months of playing the game grinding away every single week to reach the cap (I rarely use boosters).

Despite the mass rejoicing of our impending doom, nobody can claim this to be fair and reasonable (unless they're trolling of course ).

EDIT: was 2 months, not 6.

Since the Calogi suit is going to be nerfed into uselessness, even for real logis, anybody who specd into proto just lost out on 2.5 million SP, as we are being forced to go into a different class to be of some use.

2.5 million is just about how much I have made since the beginning of Uprising, which has been a little over 2 months. So not only is CCP stealing 2.5 million SP from me, but also 2+ months of playing the game grinding away every single week to reach the cap (I rarely use boosters).

Despite the mass rejoicing of our impending doom, nobody can claim this to be fair and reasonable (unless they're trolling of course ).

EDIT: was 2 months, not 6.

You are a bad poster. "This is my opinion, full of exaggeration and hyperbole. The Caldari suit is so useless that taking away 20 CPU is the same as it being removed from the game. Anyone who disagrees is automatically a troll."



You talk about a "volatile development period" as if this is some kind of temporary thing. Its not. Eve has been undergoing serious rebalancing for the last 2 years, and it just passed its 10 year anniversary. And no SP refunds there either.

Respecs aren't needed but 3x SP event everytime they have a balance patch IS needed.

I think Heavy's message here is most relevant to the OP, and anyone who believed the Caldari Logisuit would forever be an "i win" button:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WHptG35EWU

*eats popcorn*



Wait, so you are supposed to have more health than a heavy because you're in a support role? Then what the hell happenned to the other Logi suits!?

There is nothing wrong with the change, oh wait there is: now the assailt suit will be OP. Spec into that.

Calogis were only OP to the players who did not know what a flux nade was. Seriously, WTF?

So CPM as an unelected body now has the power to block actions because they dont like it? When did CPM usurp so much control and influence over the community at large? Thought there job was to roadmap the development based on our feedback and get the guidelines in place for CPM1.


The fact there are going to be frequent changes is precisely why there need to be respecs offered at the very least in the form of partial refunds of SP spent in the areas where changes are made mainly because you are asking players to spend SP during a volatilie development period with no certainty that what they are speccing into today will be the same thing they specced into a month from now. Now keep in mind CPM is getting advanced details of these changes and they are being held to NDA as evidenced by Hans' blog. Sorry but I dont trust CPM to be the only ones to give CCP feedback on upcoming changes they plan regarding BALANCING, i like CPM and dont discount they work hard but CPM is quickly becoming a filter to the community when they are getting details like pendiing changes like this to gear and being held to NDA on it. I dont blame you on this fact but there is a reason why we want detailed information ahead of the changes so we can give feedback BEFORE implementation often because we are able to accuarately predict what the results will be well ahead of use.

Also keep in mind CCP plans to change all the racial bonuses for the logis in the future to revolve around equipment efficacy at which point a refund will be necessary as these bonuses will likely have had a direct impact on the decisions made by players had it been available to them at the beginning. Moreover its absolutely prudent that CCP discuss with the COMMUNITY not CPM what those changes are going to be and to what level so they can give clear and precise feedback as to whether they are good or not. Failure to do so and to use CPM as the filter and the stop gap that gives feedback on gampeplay and gear balancing is simply unacceptable and one of the reasons many players were against a CPM to begin with.

Edit- TBF wont hang your comments on the whole of CPM, but i will hang CCP's use of CPM as a filter for creating the mentality that the CPMs opinions are of greater value then the communities at large, In some peoples minds anyway.

I agree that the heavy deserves a nerf.

So this means when I see you on the battlefield you'll be the naked guy throwing rocks at people?

No, but I'll likely be in a BPO standard suit.

Since the Calogi suit is going to be nerfed into uselessness, even for real logis, anybody who specd into proto just lost out on 2.5 million SP, as we are being forced to go into a different class to be of some use.

2.5 million is just about how much I have made since the beginning of Uprising, which has been a little over 2 months. So not only is CCP stealing 2.5 million SP from me, but also 2+ months of playing the game grinding away every single week to reach the cap (I rarely use boosters).

Despite the mass rejoicing of our impending doom, nobody can claim this to be fair and reasonable (unless they're trolling of course ).

EDIT: was 2 months, not 6.

I'll be the naked guy throwing rocks!