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WhiskeyJack Otako
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
100
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Posted - 2013.07.19 02:58:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:Since the Calogi suit is going to be nerfed into uselessness, even for real logis, anybody who specd into proto just lost out on 2.5 million SP, as we are being forced to go into a different class to be of some use. 2.5 million is just about how much I have made since the beginning of Uprising, which has been a little over 2 months. So not only is CCP stealing 2.5 million SP from me, but also 2+ months of playing the game grinding away every single week to reach the cap (I rarely use boosters). Despite the mass rejoicing of our impending doom, nobody can claim this to be fair and reasonable (unless they're trolling of course ). EDIT: was 2 months, not 6.
I'm shedding tears of pure joy. |
Sloth9230
Deepspace Digital
2496
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Posted - 2013.07.19 03:00:00 -
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Pikachu Power wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:Since the Calogi suit is going to be nerfed into uselessness, even for real logis, anybody who specd into proto just lost out on 2.5 million SP, as we are being forced to go into a different class to be of some use. 2.5 million is just about how much I have made since the beginning of Uprising, which has been a little over 2 months. So not only is CCP stealing 2.5 million SP from me, but also 2+ months of playing the game grinding away every single week to reach the cap (I rarely use boosters). Despite the mass rejoicing of our impending doom, nobody can claim this to be fair and reasonable (unless they're trolling of course ). EDIT: was 2 months, not 6. I wouldn't call it nerfed into uselessness. I took it against a squad of Team Players and didn't do terrible, considering I was on a team of blueberries. The catch is that I actually use it as a support suit. It isn't the same, for sure, but I don't think it's useless. The CPU nerf was unwarranted, but losing the 300 or so HP didnt make me awful...just less of a take-heavies-on-by-myself to a regular joe with average powers. These changes haven't deployed yet... |
Sloth9230
Deepspace Digital
2496
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Posted - 2013.07.19 03:02:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:Buster Friently wrote:
Uprising is something like 2 months old. My math is fine, your memory isn't.
Yes, i just edited my last post to reflect that. I'll fix OP next. But hey, still 2 months and 2.5 million SP down the drain, which is nothing to squawk at. Don't forget the two 3x SP events that have happened since uprising hit. Ah good point, so without those events (which were almost a million SP a piece by themselves) it's at least a month or two extra. Man you are dumb... those events speed up the proceess, but you didn't count them before. it's still just about two months. So it took you like 1 month to get 2.5. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
237
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Posted - 2013.07.19 03:09:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Real men use adv basic suits
Real men use recruit items. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3355
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Posted - 2013.07.19 03:09:00 -
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OH NO!
Your 2.5 million SP is now "useless" because the devs are putting a TEMPORARY STAND-IN BONUS on the Caldari Logi suit while they rework a prior mistake that prevents them from giving the bonuses they probably should have had in the first place.
Or did you not read the part where they mentioned that the current bonus is temporary and will be replaced with an equipment-specific bonus to benefit the use of the suit as a Logi suit in future? |
Doyle Reese
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
311
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Posted - 2013.07.19 03:09:00 -
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ITT: Not stupidly broken = Useless |
Phantom Vaxer
The Generals EoN.
35
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Posted - 2013.07.19 03:09:00 -
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Another whiner. Hey...psst! You should've saw this coming as you know...Logi's aren't meant to tank with over 500 shield. They're suppose to be SUPPORT not bullet sponges. It isn't useless you can now recover your shield faster. Trading tanking for recovery which is fitting for a SUPPORT role. |
Sloth9230
Deepspace Digital
2498
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Posted - 2013.07.19 03:10:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Real men use adv basic suits Real men use recruit items. Recruit AR is OP militia all the way! |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
41
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Posted - 2013.07.19 03:12:00 -
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Phantom Vaxer wrote:Another whiner. Hey...psst! You should've saw this coming as you know...Logi's aren't meant to tank with over 500 shield. They're suppose to be SUPPORT not bullet sponges. It isn't useless you can now recover your shield faster. Trading tanking for recovery which is fitting for a SUPPORT role. How are we suppose to help you if we die faster? Then we are just pointless people who die and are herp a derp scrubs because we cant match 200 ehp |
J Lav
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
133
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Posted - 2013.07.19 03:12:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Pikachu Power wrote:
I wouldn't call it nerfed into uselessness. I took it against a squad of Team Players and didn't do terrible, considering I was on a team of blueberries. The catch is that I actually use it as a support suit. It isn't the same, for sure, but I don't think it's useless. The CPU nerf was unwarranted, but losing the 300 or so HP didnt make me awful...just less of a take-heavies-on-by-myself to a regular joe with average powers.
These changes haven't deployed yet...
*eats popcorn*
Tectonic Fusion wrote:Phantom Vaxer wrote:Another whiner. Hey...psst! You should've saw this coming as you know...Logi's aren't meant to tank with over 500 shield. They're suppose to be SUPPORT not bullet sponges. It isn't useless you can now recover your shield faster. Trading tanking for recovery which is fitting for a SUPPORT role. How are we suppose to help you if we die faster? Then we are just pointless people who die and are herp a derp scrubs because we cant match 200 ehp
Wait, so you are supposed to have more health than a heavy because you're in a support role? Then what the hell happenned to the other Logi suits!? |
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Sloth9230
Deepspace Digital
2498
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Posted - 2013.07.19 03:14:00 -
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J Lav wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Pikachu Power wrote:
I wouldn't call it nerfed into uselessness. I took it against a squad of Team Players and didn't do terrible, considering I was on a team of blueberries. The catch is that I actually use it as a support suit. It isn't the same, for sure, but I don't think it's useless. The CPU nerf was unwarranted, but losing the 300 or so HP didnt make me awful...just less of a take-heavies-on-by-myself to a regular joe with average powers.
These changes haven't deployed yet... *eats popcorn* Wait, have they? I haven't logged in |
hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
109
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Posted - 2013.07.19 03:14:00 -
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As a DJINN you would stick with FOTM... adapt or die |
Keyser Soze VerbalKint
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
502
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Posted - 2013.07.19 03:15:00 -
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Everyone here does realize this problem is going to happen all over again once they release the vk.1 versions of all the suits but this time it will be the minmatar logi that will be the assualt suit of choice. The only reason vk.1 werent as big in chromosome was there larger size and hitbox that isnt the case anymore with the new character sizes.
So yea the speed of the minmatar racial frames combined with the 4 high 4 low and 3 equipment of the mk.1 will have the same problem and it will get nerfed into nothingness as well. Reality this isnt the only change coming to logi suits there will be changes coming to equipment efficacy that will change across the races. That change could very well have a major impact on the efficacy of logi suits and could easily have affected the decision making of players if it was made available to initial release so in the end there will be perfectly valid and legitimate reasons to issue respecs in the future, perhaps not full respecs but certainly partial refunds will be in order.
That is why the whole no respec policy is quite ludacris at this stage in the development cycle the weapon and gear balance is still a huge WIP not to mention there is a large chunk of content due to release that has been planned but either delayed or a technical hurdle that they cant overcome. To keep players to their decisions when not having all the major pieces is nonsensical. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
291
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Posted - 2013.07.19 03:18:00 -
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lol |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
742
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Posted - 2013.07.19 03:21:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:J Lav wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Pikachu Power wrote:
I wouldn't call it nerfed into uselessness. I took it against a squad of Team Players and didn't do terrible, considering I was on a team of blueberries. The catch is that I actually use it as a support suit. It isn't the same, for sure, but I don't think it's useless. The CPU nerf was unwarranted, but losing the 300 or so HP didnt make me awful...just less of a take-heavies-on-by-myself to a regular joe with average powers.
These changes haven't deployed yet... *eats popcorn* Wait, have they? I haven't logged in No they aren't, i just killed a few people. Judging by some of the current posts this shouldn't be possible because i run ADV cal logi almost exclusively.
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Phantom Vaxer
The Generals EoN.
35
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Posted - 2013.07.19 03:22:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Phantom Vaxer wrote:Another whiner. Hey...psst! You should've saw this coming as you know...Logi's aren't meant to tank with over 500 shield. They're suppose to be SUPPORT not bullet sponges. It isn't useless you can now recover your shield faster. Trading tanking for recovery which is fitting for a SUPPORT role. How are we suppose to help you if we die faster? Then we are just pointless people who die and are herp a derp scrubs because we cant match 200 ehp
Oh ugh lets see...you take cover! Oh also I play Logi Amarr and I do just fine with under 300 shield and under 300 armor. I get armor regen. You start your shield regen faster. Supports aren't meant to tank nor are they to run blindly into fire to support. You know what you do? You hold back and provide support while assault suits actually do their role as the frontline-men. Seriously tanking and support makes no sense. You'll live...if not? Then you just suck. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1712
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Posted - 2013.07.19 03:23:00 -
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lol you loose 20 CPU and the 5% bonus to shield extenders while still having 9 module slots. Well you only loose the option to get over 1000HP on your suit (which is allready stupid like hell) so boo hoo live with it. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
777
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Posted - 2013.07.19 03:32:00 -
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Pikachu Power wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:Since the Calogi suit is going to be nerfed into uselessness, even for real logis, anybody who specd into proto just lost out on 2.5 million SP, as we are being forced to go into a different class to be of some use. 2.5 million is just about how much I have made since the beginning of Uprising, which has been a little over 2 months. So not only is CCP stealing 2.5 million SP from me, but also 2+ months of playing the game grinding away every single week to reach the cap (I rarely use boosters). Despite the mass rejoicing of our impending doom, nobody can claim this to be fair and reasonable (unless they're trolling of course ). EDIT: was 2 months, not 6. I wouldn't call it nerfed into uselessness. I took it against a squad of Team Players and didn't do terrible, considering I was on a team of blueberries. The catch is that I actually use it as a support suit. It isn't the same, for sure, but I don't think it's useless. The CPU nerf was unwarranted, but losing the 300 or so HP didnt make me awful...just less of a take-heavies-on-by-myself to a regular joe with average powers.
I did some math based on my current suit and my current skills.
If they implemented the change right now, the suit I have been using will be gimped as follows:
- Going from a total of 603 CPU down to 516 CPU (loss of 87 CPU) -- My current fit requires 589... so that's out the window. - Shields going down from 670 to 546 (loss of 124 shields)
This is a pretty big hit, could be worse in the shield department (although it is the equivalent of anybody else losing two complex shield extenders on their suits, which makes it a big deal if you think about it like that). But the worst is the 87 CPU hit, I mean that is beyond overkill.
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Promethius Franklin
DUST University Ivy League
66
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Posted - 2013.07.19 03:35:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote: I did some math based on my current suit and my current skills.
If they implemented the change right now, the suit I have been using will be gimped as follows:
- Going from a total of 603 CPU down to 516 CPU (loss of 87 CPU) -- My current fit requires 589... so that's out the window. - Shields going down from 670 to 546 (loss of 124 shields)
This is a pretty big hit, could be worse in the shield department (although it is the equivalent of anybody else losing two complex shield extenders on their suits, which makes it a big deal if you think about it like that). But the worst is the 87 CPU hit, I mean that is beyond overkill.
Explain the math on the CPU please. The difference is 20 CPU which with skills is 26.25. How are you getting 87? |
Sloth9230
Deepspace Digital
2499
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Posted - 2013.07.19 03:38:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:Pikachu Power wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:Since the Calogi suit is going to be nerfed into uselessness, even for real logis, anybody who specd into proto just lost out on 2.5 million SP, as we are being forced to go into a different class to be of some use. 2.5 million is just about how much I have made since the beginning of Uprising, which has been a little over 2 months. So not only is CCP stealing 2.5 million SP from me, but also 2+ months of playing the game grinding away every single week to reach the cap (I rarely use boosters). Despite the mass rejoicing of our impending doom, nobody can claim this to be fair and reasonable (unless they're trolling of course ). EDIT: was 2 months, not 6. I wouldn't call it nerfed into uselessness. I took it against a squad of Team Players and didn't do terrible, considering I was on a team of blueberries. The catch is that I actually use it as a support suit. It isn't the same, for sure, but I don't think it's useless. The CPU nerf was unwarranted, but losing the 300 or so HP didnt make me awful...just less of a take-heavies-on-by-myself to a regular joe with average powers. I did some math based on my current suit and my current skills. If they implemented the change right now, the suit I have been using will be gimped as follows: - Going from a total of 603 CPU down to 516 CPU (loss of 87 CPU) -- My current fit requires 589... so that's out the window. - Shields going down from 670 to 546 (loss of 124 shields) This is a pretty big hit, could be worse in the shield department (although it is the equivalent of anybody else losing two complex shield extenders on their suits, which makes it a big deal if you think about it like that). But the worst is the 87 CPU hit, I mean that is beyond overkill. Your math teachers have failed you.
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Sloth9230
Deepspace Digital
2500
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Posted - 2013.07.19 03:44:00 -
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At most, you lost about 90 shields from the bonus.
As for CPU, learn 2 make sacrifices, you'll live |
Sloth9230
Deepspace Digital
2502
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Posted - 2013.07.19 04:00:00 -
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At 511 CPU with maxed skills, you're probably using a BASIC CPU upgrade to bring you up to 603. The solution here is obvious bro... upgrade your upgrade |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
2564
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Posted - 2013.07.19 04:03:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:Buster Friently wrote:
Uprising is something like 2 months old. My math is fine, your memory isn't.
Yes, i just edited my last post to reflect that. I'll fix OP next. But hey, still 2 months and 2.5 million SP down the drain, which is nothing to squawk at. What part of the suit not being useless do you not understand? Have you even tried to actually calculate a Logistics fit for that suit? |
Reign Omega
Quafe Runners
40
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Posted - 2013.07.19 04:07:00 -
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What is it about this community for the most part that has a set in stone mentality. Thats the thing about growing games, things change right? So you can't do what you did last build, or the build before.......shouldn't you just change your stride and keep running with the ball? So a Logi suit was the best assault suit, now it isn't. Time to start speccing into Assault suits? 2 months really isn't a huge chunk of what is supposed to be a 10 year plan, this is going to KEEP happening. This gun is too good! *Nerf baseball* This Vehicle is too strong! *Nerf football*....basically it should serve as a reminder to think in a broad scope as opposed to the NAO NAO NAO way of gaming. You want to be the best equipped now? Be prepped to suffer for it later. This isn't even the only game that does it. Fighting games nerf and change characters ALL the time even at tournament level. MMOs are notorious for dropping the foam bomb on classes in PVP or PVE supremacy. The world is changing around you, let's call it perceptible reality and hit the bricks fellas. |
Brolaire of Asstoria
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2013.07.19 04:08:00 -
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Ehhhh....I think Sloth may have pointed out this is QQing over stuff that hasn't even happened yet! WTF are people giving out about seeing as they have no clue how this is gonna affect the Logi at all. They messed with the recharge delays too and no ones been pissing and moaning about that....Jesus Christ some of you lot are diriculous...Yes...Diriculous!! |
Sloth9230
Deepspace Digital
2504
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Posted - 2013.07.19 04:10:00 -
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Brolaire of Asstoria wrote:snip lol, Asstoria |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
748
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Posted - 2013.07.19 04:15:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:Since the Calogi suit is going to be nerfed into uselessness, even for real logis, anybody who specd into proto just lost out on 2.5 million SP, as we are being forced to go into a different class to be of some use. 2.5 million is just about how much I have made since the beginning of Uprising, which has been a little over 2 months. So not only is CCP stealing 2.5 million SP from me, but also 2+ months of playing the game grinding away every single week to reach the cap (I rarely use boosters). Despite the mass rejoicing of our impending doom, nobody can claim this to be fair and reasonable (unless they're trolling of course ). EDIT: was 2 months, not 6. Hardly into uselessness and do not pretend like you are championing the Good Logi players.... |
Killar-12
Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN.
223
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Posted - 2013.07.19 04:21:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:Since the Calogi suit is going to be nerfed into uselessness, even for real logis, anybody who specd into proto just lost out on 2.5 million SP, as we are being forced to go into a different class to be of some use. 2.5 million is just about how much I have made since the beginning of Uprising, which has been a little over 2 months. So not only is CCP stealing 2.5 million SP from me, but also 2+ months of playing the game grinding away every single week to reach the cap (I rarely use boosters). Despite the mass rejoicing of our impending doom, nobody can claim this to be fair and reasonable (unless they're trolling of course ). EDIT: was 2 months, not 6. Waaaaa!!!!!! we lost some games in a videoGAME the world is ending, Waaaaa!!!!!!! because we can't win we think the game is broken! WAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! now my Logistical Suit is less effective in combat and still can be used for support. You still have a good logi suit to use.
6.2/10 on the troll meter pretty solid base but needs some work in the details. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
779
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Posted - 2013.07.19 04:39:00 -
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Promethius Franklin wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote: I did some math based on my current suit and my current skills.
If they implemented the change right now, the suit I have been using will be gimped as follows:
- Going from a total of 603 CPU down to 516 CPU (loss of 87 CPU) -- My current fit requires 589... so that's out the window. - Shields going down from 670 to 546 (loss of 124 shields)
This is a pretty big hit, could be worse in the shield department (although it is the equivalent of anybody else losing two complex shield extenders on their suits, which makes it a big deal if you think about it like that). But the worst is the 87 CPU hit, I mean that is beyond overkill.
Explain the math on the CPU please. The difference is 20 CPU which with skills is 26.25. How are you getting 87?
Ok I'll break it down. After doing this on paper (and realized I had added some percentages wrong), it came out slightly differently and not as bad as originally thought.
Current ck.0 proto suit CPU with no skill adjustments: 390 My current ck.0 proto CPU with skill adjustments: 482
482/390 = 1.235 = 23.5% CPU bonus from my skills.
Now to take away 20 CPU and add the CPU skill bonus.
390 - 20 = 370 * 1.235 = 456.95 CPU
Difference between old and new
482 - 456.95 = 25.05
Now to slap these numbers on my suit with all it's modules/weapons/equipment.
5 complex shield extenders takes 270 CPU Duvolle AR takes 85 CPU Core locus takes 43 CPU X-3 Quantum nanohive takes 38 CPU R-9 uplink takes 48 CPU Ishukone Gauged nanohive takes 44 CPU Complex kinetic catalyzer takes 27 CPU
Total CPU so far = 555 out of 456.95
Now I add an enhanced CPU upgrade, boost CPU 25%
456.95 * 1.25 = 571.18
However my PG needs to be boosted by two enhanced modules, each takes 17 CPU away which = 34 less CPU
571.18 - 34 = 537.18 CPU
From old to new, I previously had 603 usable CPU with the above gear loadout
603 - 537.18 = 65.82 difference
Pre-nerf this suits loadout would have (has right now):
589/603 CPU 118/118 PG
Post-nerf this would be the CPU/PG usage
555/537 CPU 118/118 PG
So ok, after realizing I had used some funky style of math and corrected it, the loss of CPU is 65, not 87. And yes a lot of that does come from the enhanced PG modules, but those are what I am using now and I have 603 usable CPU, instead of post nerf only having 537.
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DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
780
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Posted - 2013.07.19 04:55:00 -
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Whoops, I messed up again. Darn all this maths!
I took the 34 CPU penalty from the PG extenders off the total CPU, rather than adding it to the current usage.
So it would actually be 589/571
603 - 571 = a loss of roughly 32 CPU over what I have now. So not altogether that terrible. Still can't run my current setup though.
Also CCP took 20 CPU off the most basic calogi suit, so I wonder if it's going to be a straight 20 off all suits, or if it's going to be based on a percentage. |
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