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Syther Shadows
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
343
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Posted - 2013.07.19 04:55:00 -
[61] - Quote
when you capped your sp every week in the suit did you think about the other players who did not enjoy the time due to dealing with unbalanced **** like logi assault ? |

Sloth9230
Deepspace Digital
2505
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Posted - 2013.07.19 04:55:00 -
[62] - Quote
What about the skill that adds 1% CPU and PG? You should be hitting 511 on a logi, not 456
So you will still be able to fit the suit, just work on your core skills, and maybe upgrade to the complex CPU upgrade. |

DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
780
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Posted - 2013.07.19 05:05:00 -
[63] - Quote
Sloth9230 wrote:What about the skill that adds 1% CPU and PG? You should be hitting 511 on a logi, not 456
So you will still be able to fit the suit, just work on your core skills, and maybe upgrade to the complex CPU upgrade.
Yeah I am not maxed out on those, so I only have the ~23% CPU boost. Although TBO it should be more with what I do have upgraded, I have level 4 in electronics, and level 3 in core, which should add to ~1.25 or roughly 25% CPU boost, but going from 390 to 482 is not a 25% boost. *shrugs*
But electronics level 5 is ridiculously expensive, 777k SP 
At this point I am not sure if I should be saving for another suit or if I just go with what I have and get more core upgraded. So far the CPU penalty isn't anything I can't work out by swapping some modules or weapons, although the shield hit will be noticeable.
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Logi Bro
Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN.
1890
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Posted - 2013.07.19 05:07:00 -
[64] - Quote
Pffft, how would you like to suck it? Because people like you abusing a clearly OP suit COULD of gotten the entire class nerfed hard, but instead you are the only one regretting your logissault choice, seems fair to me. |

Void Echo
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
756
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Posted - 2013.07.19 06:14:00 -
[65] - Quote
Heimdallr69 wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:Since the Calogi suit is going to be nerfed into uselessness, even for real logis, anybody who specd into proto just lost out on 2.5 million SP, as we are being forced to go into a different class to be of some use. 2.5 million is just about how much I have made since the beginning of Uprising, which has been a little over 6 months. So not only is CCP stealing 2.5 million SP from me, but also 6 months of playing the game grinding away every single week to reach the cap (I rarely use boosters).  Despite the mass rejoicing of our impending doom, nobody can claim this to be fair and reasonable (unless they're trolling of course  ). Tanks take more sp so there nerf is the biggest
the good thing is that we haven't been nerfed that much yet |

Cosgar
ParagonX
2849
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Posted - 2013.07.19 06:17:00 -
[66] - Quote
Logi Bro wrote:Pffft, how would you like to suck it? Because people like you abusing a clearly OP suit COULD of gotten the entire class nerfed hard, but instead you are the only one regretting your logissault choice, seems fair to me. Yeah, I have no remorse for any CaLogis because of this. We almost got reduced to carrying nothing but sidearms because of one suit being abused and everyone thinking yellow = OP. |

Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
240
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Posted - 2013.07.19 06:34:00 -
[67] - Quote
DJINN leukoplast wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:What about the skill that adds 1% CPU and PG? You should be hitting 511 on a logi, not 456
So you will still be able to fit the suit, just work on your core skills, and maybe upgrade to the complex CPU upgrade. Yeah I am not maxed out on those, so I only have the ~23% CPU boost. Although TBO it should be more with what I do have upgraded, I have level 4 in electronics, and level 3 in core, which should add to ~1.25 or roughly 25% CPU boost, but going from 390 to 482 is not a 25% boost. *shrugs* But electronics level 5 is ridiculously expensive, 777k SP  At this point I am not sure if I should be saving for another suit or if I just go with what I have and get more core upgraded. So far the CPU penalty isn't anything I can't work out by swapping some modules or weapons, although the shield hit will be noticeable.
(1.20(1.03 GÇó 390))/390 = 1.236
This is the formula to calculate the mathz your having a problem with. |

Eris Ernaga
Super Nerds
336
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Posted - 2013.07.19 06:36:00 -
[68] - Quote
DJINN leukoplast wrote:Since the Calogi suit is going to be nerfed into uselessness, even for real logis, anybody who specd into proto just lost out on 2.5 million SP, as we are being forced to go into a different class to be of some use. 2.5 million is just about how much I have made since the beginning of Uprising, which has been a little over 2 months. So not only is CCP stealing 2.5 million SP from me, but also 2+ months of playing the game grinding away every single week to reach the cap (I rarely use boosters).  Despite the mass rejoicing of our impending doom, nobody can claim this to be fair and reasonable (unless they're trolling of course  ). EDIT: was 2 months, not 6. 
You're an idiot I looked at the nerf not even that bad it wont destroy Caldari Logistics it'll just make them slightly weaker. |

Void Echo
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
756
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Posted - 2013.07.19 06:37:00 -
[69] - Quote
CCP Mintchip wrote:No, there will be no offering of respecialization in the coming 1.3 update.
enjoy supporting infantry with a support dropsuit  |

Icarus DelSol
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2013.07.19 06:39:00 -
[70] - Quote
DJINN leukoplast wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:What about the skill that adds 1% CPU and PG? You should be hitting 511 on a logi, not 456
So you will still be able to fit the suit, just work on your core skills, and maybe upgrade to the complex CPU upgrade. Yeah I am not maxed out on those, so I only have the ~23% CPU boost. Although TBO it should be more with what I do have upgraded, I have level 4 in electronics, and level 3 in core, which should add to ~1.25 or roughly 25% CPU boost, but going from 390 to 482 is not a 25% boost. *shrugs* But electronics level 5 is ridiculously expensive, 777k SP  At this point I am not sure if I should be saving for another suit or if I just go with what I have and get more core upgraded. So far the CPU penalty isn't anything I can't work out by swapping some modules or weapons, although the shield hit will be noticeable.
You spent a lot of time on that fit. I'd stick with it. If you aren't enjoying your role, start specing into something else, but realize the stats are gonna evolve through time. Find your role dud, and get used to looking over your shoulder :D
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy
WE ARE LEGENDS
142
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Posted - 2013.07.19 06:39:00 -
[71] - Quote
DJINN leukoplast wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:
wut, your OP godsuit is no longer OP. Cry me a river.
Starting to think none of you turkeys have ever heard of flux grenades  Also the irony of your statement is... ironic.
I love irony but I don't see any here Help, please. |

Ansiiis The Trustworthy
WE ARE LEGENDS
142
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Posted - 2013.07.19 06:42:00 -
[72] - Quote
You know what's the worst part of this nerf? There will be so many logies that it will be impossible to die. |

Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1557
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Posted - 2013.07.19 06:43:00 -
[73] - Quote
DJINN leukoplast wrote:Since the Calogi suit is going to be nerfed into uselessness, even for real logis, anybody who specd into proto just lost out on 2.5 million SP, as we are being forced to go into a different class to be of some use. 2.5 million is just about how much I have made since the beginning of Uprising, which has been a little over 2 months. So not only is CCP stealing 2.5 million SP from me, but also 2+ months of playing the game grinding away every single week to reach the cap (I rarely use boosters).  Despite the mass rejoicing of our impending doom, nobody can claim this to be fair and reasonable (unless they're trolling of course  ). EDIT: was 2 months, not 6. 
Must be a joke right ? Cal logi still needs a few less slots
At least this goes some way to fixing things. |

Silent Defiance
Lone Hound of Death
10
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Posted - 2013.07.19 06:46:00 -
[74] - Quote
easy solution to your newly nerfed suit problem:
quit.
now you'll have nothing to complain about and noone here will have to deal with it.
btw, one of my main suits I run is the default anti-armor I get for free. Replace a spot with a complex shield and I'm ready to roll. Somehow I still manage to have fun and kill things. |

Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
1022
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Posted - 2013.07.19 06:50:00 -
[75] - Quote
Well if I'm not mistaken:
If we go ahead and take a look at complex shield regulators, with the 25% bonus to regulators now, a single regulator will reduce shield recharge delays by (1.25 x 25) = 31%
If you equip 2 of those and we take into account stacking penalties, we have a 66% reduction to shield recharge delays.
What does this mean? If shields are partially damaged and you have two complex regulators on a CalLogi with its racial skill at five, your shields begin regenerating in 5 - (5 x 0.66) = 1.7 seconds. If your shields are depleted, regeneration begins in 8 - (8 x 0.66) = 2.7 seconds.
Okay, how about 3 regulators?
Individual bonuses: 31.00%, 26.94%, 17.69% Total bonus: 95.71%
4 regulators?
Individual bonuses: 31.00%, 26.94%, 17.69%, 8.77% Total bonus: 112.88% (LOL!)
How about that, hey? Even with 3 regulators, technically you almost have a permanent passive shield regeneration rate of 20hp/s.
So, nerf or no nerf? Hell, you could argue this is a buff for some playstyles. |

xAckie
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
249
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Posted - 2013.07.19 07:02:00 -
[76] - Quote
DJINN leukoplast wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:What about the skill that adds 1% CPU and PG? You should be hitting 511 on a logi, not 456
So you will still be able to fit the suit, just work on your core skills, and maybe upgrade to the complex CPU upgrade. Yeah I am not maxed out on those, so I only have the ~23% CPU boost. Although TBO it should be more with what I do have upgraded, I have level 4 in electronics, and level 3 in core, which should add to ~1.25 or roughly 25% CPU boost, but going from 390 to 482 is not a 25% boost. *shrugs* But electronics level 5 is ridiculously expensive, 777k SP  At this point I am not sure if I should be saving for another suit or if I just go with what I have and get more core upgraded. So far the CPU penalty isn't anything I can't work out by swapping some modules or weapons, although the shield hit will be noticeable.
I have Caldari assault and I can't do anything with it until these are all maxed.
If you are worrying about fittings and you haven't maxed out, which would solve the problem, then there might be a further rebalance down the line?...... Cause I don't see how CCP have fixed the suit then |

DaddyKillsEmAll
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
36
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Posted - 2013.07.19 07:11:00 -
[77] - Quote
Soldiersaint wrote:your a logi...your job is not to kill....
haha |

Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
240
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Posted - 2013.07.19 07:13:00 -
[78] - Quote
Vyzion Eyri wrote:Well if I'm not mistaken:
If we go ahead and take a look at complex shield regulators, with the 25% bonus to regulators now, a single regulator will reduce shield recharge delays by (1.25 x 25) = 31%
If you equip 2 of those and we take into account stacking penalties, we have a 66% reduction to shield recharge delays.
What does this mean? If shields are partially damaged and you have two complex regulators on a CalLogi with its racial skill at five, your shields begin regenerating in 5 - (5 x 0.66) = 1.7 seconds. If your shields are depleted, regeneration begins in 8 - (8 x 0.66) = 2.7 seconds.
Okay, how about 3 regulators?
Individual bonuses: 31.00%, 26.94%, 17.69% Total bonus: 95.71%
4 regulators?
Individual bonuses: 31.00%, 26.94%, 17.69%, 8.77% Total bonus: 112.88% (LOL!)
How about that, hey? Even with 3 regulators, technically you almost have a permanent passive shield regeneration rate of 20hp/s.
So, nerf or no nerf? Hell, you could argue this is a buff for some playstyles.
1.25(1.15(.283 GÇó 25) + 1.25(1.15(.571 GÇó 25) + 1.25(1.15(.869 GÇó 25) + 1.25(1.15 GÇó 25) =-áYou do it I don't feel like typing all that in to the calculator.
Also I calculated the shield regulator skill bonus at 1.15 going off memory, if I'm wrong just sub the right factor in. |

steadyhand amarr
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
952
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Posted - 2013.07.19 07:17:00 -
[79] - Quote
Called it... Oh the sweet sweet tears. And this lady and gents is why you don't skill into the flavor of the month unless it's normall play style :-P |

DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
781
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Posted - 2013.07.19 07:42:00 -
[80] - Quote
Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:
wut, your OP godsuit is no longer OP. Cry me a river.
Starting to think none of you turkeys have ever heard of flux grenades  Also the irony of your statement is... ironic. I love irony but I don't see any here  Help, please.
His quote here:
Quote:wut, your OP godsuit is no longer OP
That is him QQ ing about the calogi suit.
And this quote:
This is him saying I am QQing when he was as well = irony.
Or hypocrite, I'll go with either.  |
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Laurent Cazaderon
What The French CRONOS.
1881
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Posted - 2013.07.19 07:45:00 -
[81] - Quote
DJINN leukoplast wrote:Since the Calogi suit is going to be nerfed into uselessness, even for real logis, anybody who specd into proto just lost out on 2.5 million SP, as we are being forced to go into a different class to be of some use. 2.5 million is just about how much I have made since the beginning of Uprising, which has been a little over 2 months. So not only is CCP stealing 2.5 million SP from me, but also 2+ months of playing the game grinding away every single week to reach the cap (I rarely use boosters).  Despite the mass rejoicing of our impending doom, nobody can claim this to be fair and reasonable (unless they're trolling of course  ). EDIT: was 2 months, not 6. 
Exagerating much ? "Nerfed to uselessness, even for real logis" Gtfo.
I did some math with fitting tools 3 weeks ago when i got the info from Remnant. And the Cal Logi very much remains the most powerfull logi in the mix. I'm amazed by how many people i see crying about their favorite OP toy. You should have thought twice before skilling into this suit and use it to a different purpose than what it's made for in the first place.
ESPECIALLY, when there's been a respec between now and the beginning of Uprising.
As for all those who cry "respec here, and respec there". Know that i will roadblock those demands as hard as i can. Why ? First because i'll enjoy collecting tears and second because those kind of adjustments are gonna be VERY frequent. And we cannot have a respec anytime someone has his precious thing tweaked.
But seriously, go cry us a river OP. So sad your suit cant go over 1K HP anymore.  |

Chimichanga66605
Vader's Taco Shack
2
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Posted - 2013.07.19 07:49:00 -
[82] - Quote
Laurent Cazaderon wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:Since the Calogi suit is going to be nerfed into uselessness, even for real logis, anybody who specd into proto just lost out on 2.5 million SP, as we are being forced to go into a different class to be of some use. 2.5 million is just about how much I have made since the beginning of Uprising, which has been a little over 2 months. So not only is CCP stealing 2.5 million SP from me, but also 2+ months of playing the game grinding away every single week to reach the cap (I rarely use boosters).  Despite the mass rejoicing of our impending doom, nobody can claim this to be fair and reasonable (unless they're trolling of course  ). EDIT: was 2 months, not 6.  Exagerating much ? "Nerfed to uselessness, even for real logis" Gtfo. I did some math with fitting tools 3 weeks ago when i got the info from Remnant. And the Cal Logi very much remains the most powerfull logi in the mix. I'm amazed by how many people i see crying about their favorite OP toy. You should have thought twice before skilling into this suit and use it to a different purpose than what it's made for in the first place. ESPECIALLY, when there's been a respec between now and the beginning of Uprising. As for all those who cry "respec here, and respec there". Know that i will roadblock those demands as hard as i can. Why ? First because i'll enjoy collecting tears and second because those kind of adjustments are gonna be VERY frequent. And we cannot have a respec anytime someone has his precious thing tweaked. But seriously, go cry us a river OP. So sad your suit cant go over 1K HP anymore. 
^Approved. o7 |

Kalante Schiffer
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
348
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Posted - 2013.07.19 07:50:00 -
[83] - Quote
Laurent Cazaderon wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:Since the Calogi suit is going to be nerfed into uselessness, even for real logis, anybody who specd into proto just lost out on 2.5 million SP, as we are being forced to go into a different class to be of some use. 2.5 million is just about how much I have made since the beginning of Uprising, which has been a little over 2 months. So not only is CCP stealing 2.5 million SP from me, but also 2+ months of playing the game grinding away every single week to reach the cap (I rarely use boosters).  Despite the mass rejoicing of our impending doom, nobody can claim this to be fair and reasonable (unless they're trolling of course  ). EDIT: was 2 months, not 6.  Exagerating much ? "Nerfed to uselessness, even for real logis" Gtfo. I did some math with fitting tools 3 weeks ago when i got the info from Remnant. And the Cal Logi very much remains the most powerfull logi in the mix. I'm amazed by how many people i see crying about their favorite OP toy. You should have thought twice before skilling into this suit and use it to a different purpose than what it's made for in the first place. ESPECIALLY, when there's been a respec between now and the beginning of Uprising. As for all those who cry "respec here, and respec there". Know that i will roadblock those demands as hard as i can. Why ? First because i'll enjoy collecting tears and second because those kind of adjustments are gonna be VERY frequent. And we cannot have a respec anytime someone has his precious thing tweaked. But seriously, go cry us a river OP. So sad your suit cant go over 1K HP anymore.  i am just eating a bag of Cheetos and chilling. what else can i do.... |

Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
240
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Posted - 2013.07.19 07:51:00 -
[84] - Quote
Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Vyzion Eyri wrote:Well if I'm not mistaken:
If we go ahead and take a look at complex shield regulators, with the 25% bonus to regulators now, a single regulator will reduce shield recharge delays by (1.25 x 25) = 31%
If you equip 2 of those and we take into account stacking penalties, we have a 66% reduction to shield recharge delays.
What does this mean? If shields are partially damaged and you have two complex regulators on a CalLogi with its racial skill at five, your shields begin regenerating in 5 - (5 x 0.66) = 1.7 seconds. If your shields are depleted, regeneration begins in 8 - (8 x 0.66) = 2.7 seconds.
Okay, how about 3 regulators?
Individual bonuses: 31.00%, 26.94%, 17.69% Total bonus: 95.71%
4 regulators?
Individual bonuses: 31.00%, 26.94%, 17.69%, 8.77% Total bonus: 112.88% (LOL!)
How about that, hey? Even with 3 regulators, technically you almost have a permanent passive shield regeneration rate of 20hp/s.
So, nerf or no nerf? Hell, you could argue this is a buff for some playstyles. 1.25(1.15(.283 GÇó 25) + 1.25(1.15(.571 GÇó 25) + 1.25(1.15(.869 GÇó 25) + 1.25(1.15 GÇó 25) =-áYou do it I don't feel like typing all that in to the calculator. Also I calculated the shield regulator skill bonus at 1.15 going off memory, if I'm wrong just sub the right factor in.
Hay I made a mistake... Hunh. I forgot to stack them individually:
wa GÇó xb GÇó yc GÇó dz = e
Where
w = 5 (original shield regeneration time) a = 1.25(1.15 GÇó .25) x = the product of "wa" b = 1.25(1.15(.869 GÇó 25) y = the product of "xb" c = 1.25(1.15(.571 GÇó 25) d = the product of "yc" z = 1.25(1.15(.283 GÇó 25)
That should be the correct formula.
Sorry, I haven't written equations in a long time. It was fun though.  |

Dale Templar
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
290
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Posted - 2013.07.19 07:56:00 -
[85] - Quote
This just in, "Top Tier" corps come on the forums in the masses to whine about the CalLogi nerf.
"Top Tier" corps use CalLogi as Assault? Who knew? |

Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
1023
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Posted - 2013.07.19 08:12:00 -
[86] - Quote
Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Hay I made a mistake... Hunh. I forgot to stack them individually: wa GÇó xb GÇó yc GÇó dz = e Where w = 5 (original shield regeneration time) a = 1.25(1.15 GÇó .25) x = the product of "wa" b = 1.25(1.15(.869 GÇó 25) y = the product of "xb" c = 1.25(1.15(.571 GÇó 25) d = the product of "yc" z = 1.25(1.15(.283 GÇó 25) That should be the correct formula. Sorry, I haven't written equations in a long time. It was fun though. 
Modified it a little, made it 1-a, 1-b, 1-c, 1-z since we're decreasing the shield recharge delay value by that percentage, not finding that percentage of it.
Going by that, you're right, I made quite a big mistake by not stacking individually. Therefore, results are:
For shield recharge delay of 5 seconds (shields not depleted):
1 regulator: 3.28 seconds (65.6% of 5 seconds; 34.4% reduction) 2 regulators: 2.3 seconds (46% of 5 seconds; 54% reduction) 3: 1.85 seconds (37%; 63%) 4: 1.67 seconds (33.4%; 66.6%)
So 2-3 regulators would still be incredibly powerful, especially if you keep 3-4 extenders.
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
240
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Posted - 2013.07.19 08:30:00 -
[87] - Quote
Vyzion Eyri wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Hay I made a mistake... Hunh. I forgot to stack them individually: wa GÇó xb GÇó yc GÇó dz = e Where w = 5 (original shield regeneration time) a = 1.25(1.15 GÇó .25) x = the product of "wa" b = 1.25(1.15(.869 GÇó 25) y = the product of "xb" c = 1.25(1.15(.571 GÇó 25) d = the product of "yc" z = 1.25(1.15(.283 GÇó 25) That should be the correct formula. Sorry, I haven't written equations in a long time. It was fun though.  Modified it a little, made it 1-a, 1-b, 1-c, 1-z since we're decreasing the shield recharge delay value by that percentage, not finding that percentage of it. Going by that, you're right, I made quite a big mistake by not stacking individually. Therefore, results are: For shield recharge delay of 5 seconds (shields not depleted): 1 regulator: 3.28 seconds (65.6% of 5 seconds; 34.4% reduction) 2 regulators: 2.3 seconds (46% of 5 seconds; 54% reduction) 3: 1.85 seconds (37%; 63%) 4: 1.67 seconds (33.4%; 66.6%) So 2-3 regulators would still be incredibly powerful, especially if you keep 3-4 extenders.
Yah I modified it again also. That should be the correct formula this time. sorry. |

Call Down
DUST University Ivy League
7
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Posted - 2013.07.19 08:40:00 -
[88] - Quote
Dale Templar wrote:This just in, "Top Tier" corps come on the forums in the masses to whine about the CalLogi nerf. "Top Tier" corps use CalLogi as Assault? Who knew?
Respec requests are nothing. Just wait til we start seeing the "we want our ISK/districts back because the CalLogi nerf made us lose PC matches".
Cheetos: $2.49, 6-pack: $6.89, CalLogis QQing over a minor nerf: PRICELESS!!!!  |

The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
666
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Posted - 2013.07.19 08:45:00 -
[89] - Quote
Jaqen Morghalis wrote:All this crying is starting to get real old, real fast.
It's been old for a while and it is only going to get worse. |

ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood
890
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Posted - 2013.07.19 08:49:00 -
[90] - Quote
Nom nom nom....
and one more step to my heavy being OP again \o/ |
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