oh, are you saying you could not be killed with std weapons in your pro suit? which game was this?

Tanks are God mode against people that have little to no AV capability. It really isn't our fault if people decide to only use the free AV suit to try to take out our tanks. Have you been in a Madrugar when a PRO swarm volley hits? If not, you have no idea how your mind starts to race when you see at least a third of your armor melt away from one volley.

If you don't have ADV swarms and/or AV grenades, and can't be bothered to put the SP into CBR7 and EX-0 grenades, then yes, you should be destroyed by all decent pilots, and so should everyone else that cannot bother to invest what's basically a pittance into ADV level AV.

He specializes in extremes. That is his nature.

Neither are correct.

Current Tank equation:

Make some cash playing Ambush, drop Tanks when conditions are good, lose a few now and then.
Learn to drive better, get more SP, get better gear.
Rinse and repeat.

Not that different than any other role in DUST.

Dust and its forums are filled with those like the OP that wants the game to change so They are happy. Given his two extreme viewpoints nothing will make OP happy anyway. Just ignore it.

Yea pretty much

Could take on a bunch of ppl, you had to be in proto to get me down

Yea pretty much

Could take on a bunch of ppl, you had to be in proto to get me down

LOL... you're so distracted by an uncontrollable compulsion to brag about how elite you are, you don't realize you just proved my point.

if you have any skill, you have nothing to worry about. you don't need to use sp as a crutch. we crush bad players with our exiles all day. PRO doesn't change anything.

LOL... you're so distracted by an uncontrollable compulsion to brag about how elite you are, you don't realize you just proved my point.

if you have any skill, you have nothing to worry about. you don't need to use sp as a crutch. we crush bad players with our exiles all day. PRO doesn't change anything.

If we get advanced/proto that would stop and all these solo proto AV would be screwed

I'm not sure why we are arguing about, because i agree.

I created an alt a few days ago and decided to spec into Gallente HAVs. I transfer 5 million isk from my main to get started.

At first I thought tanking was a piece of cake (I was farming kills at the academy), then reality set in after I got int a real match where people could actually kill me. I didn't have a problem with being blown up because I am new at it . I had a problem with not being about to turn a profit. The price of tanks is super high. I now see why tankers complain about being blown up. If you get blown up 2 times, that's a 1 million Isk loss. People earn about 240,000 per game which means you need to play 4 games to make it up.

I never new how much I was costing tankers when I blew up their tanks. This experience has made me feel sorry for tankers.

I absolutely don't support nerfing AV (I'm a forge gunner), but CCP should lower the price of vehicles. This would help both AV players and tankers.

AV players will have more targets to take out, and tankers will be able to turn a profit.

My fit for anyone interested was:

80GJ Compressed Blaster
20GJ Scattered Blaster x2
Militia Active Heat Sink
Militia Powergrid Expansion Unit x3
Heavy IG-L Polarized Armor Regenerator
180mm Reinforced Steel Plates.

Some tips on how best to fit my tank would be appreciated.

Speaking with CORP and randoms, most of them feel that if a tank can solo a crowd, then a solo can take it out.

I personally disagree but... if that is what the majority wants, give them these glass tanks, remove the high skill required to use them and give me my SP back. No one wants to switch to an AV class, and those that have the AV, are too darn good at it. So... make it that MLT can destroy every thing, and i want to spec out of this. Maybe I'll get my proto scout and be extra LULz

I don't like either choice, to be honest, as you offer extremes.


I would like current prices with the old Marauders, that would be perfect.

Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or these other F2P games coming this year.........

Planetside 2 (19 GOTY Awards)

Coming to PS4 this year...

To begin, I am not a tanker, nor have I ever been. Why were tanks even nerfed for uprising? They were fine in Chromosome. Tanks were extremely powerful in the build after the E3 (Precursor maybe?) but after that they seemed to be very balanced, the only time that they were "indestructible" to infantry was while they were red line rail sniping, and nothing has changed there. The changes only really effect the tanks that were playing their roles as intended (on the ground, raising hell).

One of my favorite things in this game used to be epic battles against tanks, and it makes me sad inside that these don't happen anymore. Tanks are squishy, anyone who says otherwise is wrong. I think that tanks need to be restored to what they were before uprising. Sure, some tanks could go 30-50/0 in a pub match, but this wasn't the case for every tanker. These were tankers who were very good at what they did, and had infantry support or, as I rarely witnessed, they were spider tanking. The best infantry players in the game do this still, I see it almost everyday. Aspects of this game should not be nerfed based on the fact that some people know what they are doing with them. Most tanks that I saw in Chromosome still got their mud pushed in shortly after being called in.
Tanks in Chromosome did not incite the majority of the player base to spec heavily into AV as LAVs have done in Uprising. Does anyone else see something wrong here?

What was the point in buffing LAVs, there was nothing wrong with them before. So what your free LAV got OHK by a packed AV grenade, you should not have been trying to play this game by mowing people down in a militia vehicle, they are for cheap transport. A good saga in Chromosome good take grenades and forge gun rounds and survive to get you where you were going. The only thing was that if you called one out in that build you had to either take a loss on it, or stay with the thing until the end of the game. So most people didn't bother wasting the isk (mine cost 100k+) so more often than not all I saw (or drove) were the death trap starter LAVs, but now we can recall those expensive vehicles that are only needed momentarily. I think that LAVs need to be returned to where they were before uprising. LLAVs were very powerful in Chromosome also, they were just much more SP intensive and so they were rarely seen. If built properly they could tank 3 proto FG shots then, now I most LLAVs can take 4 direct hits with a proto FG and drive off into the sunset to heal up for round 2, most tanks wont even take 4 shots as they are now. This is completely backwards.

In my opinion ground vehicles should be returned to what they were in Chromosome, when it was much more balanced. It was a poor choice if the reason Vehicles were "balanced" in uprising was for the things to come (racial variants, proto tanks, and so forth) if we don't even have them. Who knows I could be wrong, maybe I missed something super OP about tanks in the previous build, but I doubt it. I want there to be tanks about that can make it on the field long enough to turn a LLAVs sunny day gray. I want to stop hoping for every map to be CQC, so I don't have to run forge the entire match so that my team won't get completely decimated by f***ing cars. Whats wrong with that? I am not a developer and do not know how any of this crap works beyond what I experience myself, but that is my opinion of what could be done.

TL;DR
was better before, cud be agin

So how come when an exile goes 25:0 it's skill, but when a tanker does it, he's OP?

first of all, the majority of the targets out there are ARs, so if one of them gets 25/0 with an exile, he's either skilled or extremely lucky. it's not like he blew up 25 tanks.

secondly, i didn't say tanks are op. imho they are either a little UP or possibly just plain old P. but i don't think we will know until PRO tanks are released. right now STD tanks are falling to ADV and PRO AV and it's distorting everyone's perceptions of the tank balance.

priority 1: release PRO marauders, then reevaluate.

Exactly, tanks are p2w noobery. Nuff said.

You just proved yourself wrong, appreciate it, saved me the time

Lol, a Helstorm player says tanks are noobery. Spam more grenades and then say that.

I'd rather they fix tanks...:/

People already showed their "concern" that they don't want them stronger NOR cheaper.

Us drivers ( which I've given up on), it is too expensive, too much of an SP sink, and too fragile. Half the time the indicator lies at where I'm being hit. I have to PHYSICALLY see the shot to have a valid indicator.

Tanks are a war machine. If we ever get these promise gargantuan maps, still worthless because of invisible shots. AV does it's job, and does it well. Our only counter is our ability to drive and our team. Sadly, the latter is out of our control.

Off topic ish, but it feels shields survives infantry longer then armor. But armor survives the fight VS shields.

On topic. Either AV needs pulled back, tanks need to be cheaper, or made ungodly sinks in both sides, and make them giant war machines. With them in the middle only makes AV happy, while most tanks sit in the red line because they cant compete with it.

How many times have you been in a tank, and was getting forged from the sky, and you cant aim up. So running as fast as you can away from said forge, only to get popped while trying to hide.

So, cheap with little SP sink and made of glass, or we get some god like war machine but costs so damn much that most would be afraid of loosing it that only the most important battles, they would be seen.

D. ALL of the above!!!

Tanks should be a cheap throw away win button!!!

Seriously "Tank War Dust 514" would be way more fun then "flaylock war dust 514"

The splash would likely take out the driver if the driver was not careful or not wearing a fatsuit.

As a bit of a tangent, that's my problem with the LLAVs, if you use them for their intended roles they (the drivers) are sitting ducks.