Vehicles should be expensive and hard to kill.

Better vehicles should be more expensive and harder to kill.

my 1.3 million best DS can be one shot by a forge gun.
wtf ccp

you would be better off with option 2 if you had to go with either one of them.

One day the doors to eve isk will open I am sure, and you can bet there will be a lot of them "god mode" tanks in more than just super elite battles

I think tanks should fulfill a role that is much more akin to the combination of arms tactics we see today. Tanks aren't invincible, but are nigh-indestructible if you lack the proper tools (AV), and need infantry support in order to be used effectively, without which they can become easy targets in isolation.

However, their presence is a mobile bastion, and they can be used to reinforce a defense, or spearhead an assault, allowing for super heavy ordnance far in excess of what a soldier could bring, which could take down heavily defended points, and help infantry push an objective in what would have otherwise been a blood bath. In concentration, they can be an effective lighting assault force, able to command the wider open spaces, and deny the enemy mobility in the no-man area.

That said, they are still highly susceptible to AV, which is why it's even called AV. In the end AV will always counter tanks, and it's up to the infantry support of tanks to be the best defense against AV when a tank is attached to a unit. In combined arms tactics it's the tank that is added to a unit, not the unit that is added to the tank.

And apparently there are ways to avoid this super squishy tank syndrome, because on numerous times I have ran into a tank that would be considered god mode.. 4 guys and me were throwing AV nades at one earlier on a domination map when he came rolling right up to the objective.. we got him to only half armor and we were dead from his large blaster.. **** was beast, he rolled right on out of there after that to probably cool down mods.. but fk it was beast

I was using packed AV , not sure what the other guys were throwing.

neither choice is good, the infantry want tanks to be 1 shot one kill by their assault riffles and will refuse to accept anything less than that. and the actual tankers want to be hard to kill (which the true tankers are extremely hard to kill if they are facing infantry).

this will never be solved the way the game is right now

This.

your willing to bet me against what my own eyes saw? Does armor bar go up top now and shield on bottom? I must have missed that change memo

iv done it several times, but I killed each of them before they got a chance to throw the 3rd wave of grenades, its NOT the vehicle or items that are op, its the personal skills of the driver himself that makes the items look op

Tanks are God mode against people that have little to no AV capability. It really isn't our fault if people decide to only use the free AV suit to try to take out our tanks. Have you been in a Madrugar when a PRO swarm volley hits? If not, you have no idea how your mind starts to race when you see at least a third of your armor melt away from one volley.

If you don't have ADV swarms and/or AV grenades, and can't be bothered to put the SP into CBR7 and EX-0 grenades, then yes, you should be destroyed by all decent pilots, and so should everyone else that cannot bother to invest what's basically a pittance into ADV level AV.

Yeh it's a possibility one of the guys didn't have AV nade and just tossed locus, possibly flux ( didn't see the emp field) All I'm saying though is, this guy went up against AV and laughed at it, flicked us away and went about his day. Yet so many people complain 1 guy can run up to tanks and kill them with standard stuff. They apparently are doing it wrong, it's not the rest of oursfault

tanks are NOT OP.

ex: if the most advanced and powerful tanks in the game were to be created, im talking actual "God Mode" tank fitted with the absolutely best modules and turrets were to get into the hand of a completely new player that knew nothing of how to drive tanks, that player would get that "God Mode" tank destroyed almost instantly since he doesn't know how to activate the modules or doesn't understand that when your getting hit, you need to get the hell out of there and heal, thus causing the "God" tank to be destroyed.

ex-2: if the most under fitted tank in the game were to be deployed in battle, then a very high experience tank driver will be able to make it survive the entire match and possibly make a good kill count out of it BECAUSE HE IS SECIALIZED IN DRIVING TANKS AND KNOWS HOW TO WORK THEM.

its not the item that is OP, it is the player themselves that make it look that way because they are the experts in that specific field.

this is coming from a pure tank driver that knows nearly everything about tank driving in this game and has MONTHS of experience driving them, so yeah I know exactly what im talking about.

Tanks should be neither.

1. A God-mode tank? Seriously? Yeah, no. Tanks are already p2w enough as it is.

2. Cheap throw away tanks would be even worse, I don't want to have to bring in AV every match and sacrifice my anti-infantry nades (which are extremely important to me... I feel dysfunctional without them). It's already bad enough with all these LAV turkeys running around.

dropships....... the easiest vehicle to kill and the only one that doesn't survive regardless of skilled pilots or inexperienced ones.... truly the saddest vehicle in the game

I skilled into assaulting the 1st week of uprising and figured out 1st hand how easy it is to kill tanks, then I requested a skill resec and im back where I belong

Honestly, HAVs do enough damage as-is, just the Large Missile Turrets and Small Railguns need some looking at due to bizzare performance... Especially Large Missile Turrets and more specifically the Cycled.

The HP in my opinion in fine for the militia, and even the standard tanks are okay, I'd like to see an advanced tank with 50% more EHP capabilities then we see now with a HAV level 3 prerequsite, buff the enforcers damage capabilities and increase to a X4 prereq and then bring back the marauders with a X5 HAV prerequisite and give them 200% the HP we have now.

In my honest opinion, even a 50% EHP boost would be massive (at least for my tank) as that would lengthen tank fights by a nice amount, and make AV work harder to kill a tank without making it impossible. anything approaching a 100% EHP boost or more would make HAVs near impossible to kill with any driver with half a brain.

A little goes a long way, we want (well, I want) the high-end tanks to be tougher without making it where careless drivers are fine.

Tanks are basically 100% invincible to anybody with no AV (which is most players, especially in ambush... at least until they die once or twice and change their fit). But as a infantry player, I am 100% vulnerable to everything in this game. Even with proto AV nades, I have to get really lucky to throw enough nades in close range before:

a) Tank kills me
b) Tank turns tail and runs off to get health back
c) Tanks infantry buddies wipe me out because I am speced for AV, not anti-infantry. Therefore an extremely vulnerable to infantry.
d) Tank uses some kind of OP module to make them temp invincible, in which they either run off or wipe me out
e) All of the above while I try to re-supply my nades with a hive, cause 3 proto nades won't even kill the weakest tank


Tankers fail to recognize that running AV means that player is really only effective against AV. It's a HUGE sacrifice most of the time. And usually not rewarding in the least.

In Chromosome I ran proto swarms with some crap side-arm when some tanker came out and was causing problems, I had absolutely NO chance against infantry in order to attempt to take out the tank. I had to sacrifice myself many times just to scratch the tanks health so they could run away and repair. Every once in a while I would get lucky and score a kill, but it was few and far between because tanks just run away behind cover.

He specializes in extremes. That is his nature.

Neither are correct.

Current Tank equation:

Make some cash playing Ambush, drop Tanks when conditions are good, lose a few now and then.
Learn to drive better, get more SP, get better gear.
Rinse and repeat.

Not that different than any other role in DUST.

Dust and its forums are filled with those like the OP that wants the game to change so They are happy. Given his two extreme viewpoints nothing will make OP happy anyway. Just ignore it.

Yea pretty much

Could take on a bunch of ppl, you had to be in proto to get me down

LOL... you're so distracted by an uncontrollable compulsion to brag about how elite you are, you don't realize you just proved my point.

if you have any skill, you have nothing to worry about. you don't need to use sp as a crutch. we crush bad players with our exiles all day. PRO doesn't change anything.

I created an alt a few days ago and decided to spec into Gallente HAVs. I transfer 5 million isk from my main to get started.

At first I thought tanking was a piece of cake (I was farming kills at the academy), then reality set in after I got int a real match where people could actually kill me. I didn't have a problem with being blown up because I am new at it . I had a problem with not being about to turn a profit. The price of tanks is super high. I now see why tankers complain about being blown up. If you get blown up 2 times, that's a 1 million Isk loss. People earn about 240,000 per game which means you need to play 4 games to make it up.

I never new how much I was costing tankers when I blew up their tanks. This experience has made me feel sorry for tankers.

I absolutely don't support nerfing AV (I'm a forge gunner), but CCP should lower the price of vehicles. This would help both AV players and tankers.

AV players will have more targets to take out, and tankers will be able to turn a profit.

My fit for anyone interested was:

80GJ Compressed Blaster
20GJ Scattered Blaster x2
Militia Active Heat Sink
Militia Powergrid Expansion Unit x3
Heavy IG-L Polarized Armor Regenerator
180mm Reinforced Steel Plates.

Some tips on how best to fit my tank would be appreciated.

Speaking with CORP and randoms, most of them feel that if a tank can solo a crowd, then a solo can take it out.

I personally disagree but... if that is what the majority wants, give them these glass tanks, remove the high skill required to use them and give me my SP back. No one wants to switch to an AV class, and those that have the AV, are too darn good at it. So... make it that MLT can destroy every thing, and i want to spec out of this. Maybe I'll get my proto scout and be extra LULz

Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or these other F2P games coming this year.........

Planetside 2 (19 GOTY Awards)

Coming to PS4 this year...

To begin, I am not a tanker, nor have I ever been. Why were tanks even nerfed for uprising? They were fine in Chromosome. Tanks were extremely powerful in the build after the E3 (Precursor maybe?) but after that they seemed to be very balanced, the only time that they were "indestructible" to infantry was while they were red line rail sniping, and nothing has changed there. The changes only really effect the tanks that were playing their roles as intended (on the ground, raising hell).

One of my favorite things in this game used to be epic battles against tanks, and it makes me sad inside that these don't happen anymore. Tanks are squishy, anyone who says otherwise is wrong. I think that tanks need to be restored to what they were before uprising. Sure, some tanks could go 30-50/0 in a pub match, but this wasn't the case for every tanker. These were tankers who were very good at what they did, and had infantry support or, as I rarely witnessed, they were spider tanking. The best infantry players in the game do this still, I see it almost everyday. Aspects of this game should not be nerfed based on the fact that some people know what they are doing with them. Most tanks that I saw in Chromosome still got their mud pushed in shortly after being called in.
Tanks in Chromosome did not incite the majority of the player base to spec heavily into AV as LAVs have done in Uprising. Does anyone else see something wrong here?

What was the point in buffing LAVs, there was nothing wrong with them before. So what your free LAV got OHK by a packed AV grenade, you should not have been trying to play this game by mowing people down in a militia vehicle, they are for cheap transport. A good saga in Chromosome good take grenades and forge gun rounds and survive to get you where you were going. The only thing was that if you called one out in that build you had to either take a loss on it, or stay with the thing until the end of the game. So most people didn't bother wasting the isk (mine cost 100k+) so more often than not all I saw (or drove) were the death trap starter LAVs, but now we can recall those expensive vehicles that are only needed momentarily. I think that LAVs need to be returned to where they were before uprising. LLAVs were very powerful in Chromosome also, they were just much more SP intensive and so they were rarely seen. If built properly they could tank 3 proto FG shots then, now I most LLAVs can take 4 direct hits with a proto FG and drive off into the sunset to heal up for round 2, most tanks wont even take 4 shots as they are now. This is completely backwards.

In my opinion ground vehicles should be returned to what they were in Chromosome, when it was much more balanced. It was a poor choice if the reason Vehicles were "balanced" in uprising was for the things to come (racial variants, proto tanks, and so forth) if we don't even have them. Who knows I could be wrong, maybe I missed something super OP about tanks in the previous build, but I doubt it. I want there to be tanks about that can make it on the field long enough to turn a LLAVs sunny day gray. I want to stop hoping for every map to be CQC, so I don't have to run forge the entire match so that my team won't get completely decimated by f***ing cars. Whats wrong with that? I am not a developer and do not know how any of this crap works beyond what I experience myself, but that is my opinion of what could be done.

TL;DR
was better before, cud be agin

first of all, the majority of the targets out there are ARs, so if one of them gets 25/0 with an exile, he's either skilled or extremely lucky. it's not like he blew up 25 tanks.

secondly, i didn't say tanks are op. imho they are either a little UP or possibly just plain old P. but i don't think we will know until PRO tanks are released. right now STD tanks are falling to ADV and PRO AV and it's distorting everyone's perceptions of the tank balance.

priority 1: release PRO marauders, then reevaluate.