Tower forge sniping has never been this fun

ah, the gayest way to play of all. ive seen DS do this before. I certainly wont say your wrong to do it cuz its very smart and effective but its really gay too. like, really gay. like, your a f a gget for doing it. srly. Do you even lift? bro?

I'm sorry you feel that way. See you in game. Don't forget to look up.

lol it doesnt matter if i look up, your charge is gone and you turn invisible to tanks when your too far away. I have no way of knowing your there untill i blow up. Thats why your a f a g

oh, pub stomping

idk maybe if the projectile was slower might be better for dropships. I mean I can be flying full speed away and I still get pegged. Unless every forgegunner is a marksmen.

ah, the gayest way to play of all.

idk maybe if the projectile was slower might be better for dropships. I mean I can be flying full speed away and I still get pegged. Unless every forgegunner is a marksmen.

Chromosome it was "Wahhh HMGs are OP!". Now it's Forge Guns. We complain about CCP taking things out and changing others, yet we sit and complain about every weapon. You getting killed by a certain weapon doesn't mean it's overpowered. Most likely it means you got outplayed. There are a couple weapons that irk me (Thale's SR), but generally I don't care. The Forge Gun is a relatively slow shooting, un-ADS-able, shaky weapon that makes playing on the ground nearly impossible most of the time. That's a pretty huge weakness if you ask me.

Anyways, if you like Forge Guns and want to make people rage, watch this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sktAvbnHvE4&feature=youtu.be

lol it doesnt matter if i look up, your charge is gone and you turn invisible to tanks when your too far away. I have no way of knowing your there untill i blow up. Thats why your a f a g

love your videos. left a comment.

i dont really want forges nerfed. just wish my tanks had more PG to tank better against your damage modded death gat.

Or a 50% price reduction so i only need to make a tank last 3 rounds instead of 6. Would anyone be against that?

Compared to watching his other videos where he just stands in the middle of the road in the wide open i have to say at least this is an improvement.

Using covered high ground to defend objectives with a ranged weapon....might even call this a tactic.

So you're mad that I blow up tanks with an AV weapon? Sorry I'm not going to let a tank get easy kills. Just quit before the game starts so you don't have to lose more tanks to me. Simple solution.

No i support ppl going AV, it makes tanking fair because i can be stoped and its always fun trying to outdo my competition and ppl who want me dead. and if they blow me up then cool, they earned it. but when your alllll the way up there i litterally have no way of detecting you. Theres no way for me to defend myself or shoot back or run away or well, anything. its a really gay way to play. not saying your a bad person or you have no skill for doing it, your obviously clever but doing it also makes you a pu*y

well yeah we have to lol, we cant do anything but run cuz wee cant even see you... but we have no were to run to bcuz you can always see the entire map. See were im comming from? tanks are UP and AV can do things like this. This is why tankers ethire stoped playing dust or stoped playing tanks

No i support ppl going AV, it makes tanking fair because i can be stoped and its always fun trying to outdo my competition and ppl who want me dead. and if they blow me up then cool, they earned it. but when your alllll the way up there i litterally have no way of detecting you. Theres no way for me to defend myself or shoot back or run away or well, anything. its a really gay way to play. not saying your a bad person or you have no skill for doing it, your obviously clever but doing it also makes you a pu*y

Is it really that common though? I'm sure more often than not, when you get taken out, it's by someone on the ground. I rarely see FGs up top anywhere.

Ship's aren't that small... doesn't take a genius to aim at it.

it doesn't take a genius, it seems pretty easy which might be the problem.

why wouldnt you put yourself on a tower immune to orbitals and pretty much everything else and rain down blue fire.

similar to a red line tankers argument. Its extremely frustrating to deal with, but why not.

FG are mostly fine as is imo.

They may need a tweak to their range, or more precisely to their damage falloff to limit tower FGuning.

FG are mostly fine as is imo.

They may need a tweak to their range, or more precisely to their damage falloff to limit tower FGuning.

Are you really talking to someone about having some skill? You're like the Billy Madison of Dust 514. Hush.

it doesn't take a genius, it seems pretty easy which might be the problem.

why wouldnt you put yourself on a tower immune to orbitals and pretty much everything else and rain down blue fire.

similar to a red line tankers argument. Its extremely frustrating to deal with, but why not.

Ah yes I almost forgot to mention rail tanks... Nah I shouldn't have to mention how tankers do the exact same thing their bitching about now do I.

to quote exmaple "heres no way for me to defend myself or shoot back or run away or well, anything. its a really gay way to play. not saying your a bad person or you have no skill for doing it, your obviously clever but doing it also makes you a pu*y"

I'm sorry you feel that way. See you in game. Don't forget to look up.

Says the carried.

I cant.

My HAV wont let me look up that far

Chromosome it was "Wahhh HMGs are OP!". Now it's Forge Guns. We complain about CCP taking things out and changing others, yet we sit and complain about every weapon. You getting killed by a certain weapon doesn't mean it's overpowered. Most likely it means you got outplayed. There are a couple weapons that irk me (Thale's SR), but generally I don't care. The Forge Gun is a relatively slow shooting, un-ADS-able, shaky weapon that makes playing on the ground nearly impossible most of the time. That's a pretty huge weakness if you ask me.

Anyways, if you like Forge Guns and want to make people rage, watch this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sktAvbnHvE4&feature=youtu.be

you can physically see us and we cant see you. also, your cannon cost us alot more than it costs you. were also a tank and your a person... its pretty diffrent. we cant do what yal do forge sniping

Nice try.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMfyiDuqvCc

Haha, carried by who? I've seen you play. It's hilarious. Instead of killing you, I just watched you try to run from 3 or 4 of my teammates. It was like the fat kid at school trying to make it to the teacher before he gets a wedgie.

Chromosome it was "Wahhh HMGs are OP!". Now it's Forge Guns. We complain about CCP taking things out and changing others, yet we sit and complain about every weapon. You getting killed by a certain weapon doesn't mean it's overpowered. Most likely it means you got outplayed. There are a couple weapons that irk me (Thale's SR), but generally I don't care. The Forge Gun is a relatively slow shooting, un-ADS-able, shaky weapon that makes playing on the ground nearly impossible most of the time. That's a pretty huge weakness if you ask me.

Anyways, if you like Forge Guns and want to make people rage, watch this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sktAvbnHvE4&feature=youtu.be

Yes we can SEE you not REACH you. Fix typo in second sentence it doesn't make sense. Your right your a tank and i'm a person it IS different because you can survive and OB,stay behind the redline and still hit us, oh and you can escape better then we can.

If your argument is that you cost more. Then note you can also DO more and GTFO as soon as you sense danger. That aside costing more is the only the thing you have going and that's it.

lol the difference is you can see us and shoot us back, we are not invisible and can not shoot you. simply as that, we can be countered but we cant counter you. we just blow up

My foremost suggestion to this is reducing the costs of vehicles all around to make it easier to make a profit being a pilot.

I personally like the circle I'm on in the video better than being on either of the towers. The towers are too high, plus on the circle I can see into the objective, that corner everyone throws uplinks in, and the CRU. Also, the Supply Depot is right beside me if I need to get some ammo and call in another ship to get back up. At the end, I died by a Forge Gunner on top of one of the towers though :P I guess it has its perks.

Here are the major forum complaints over the past week or two in a nutshell from my perspective (I am a dedicated heavy, and run AV the majority of the time in pub matches to protect my squad from Tanks, LAV's, Dropships and then Infantry and Installations when no other major threats are present).

Forge guns are OP against Dropships:
Agreed, buff dropship health or survivability. It is very easy to take them out if you have skills with the forge gun (and by skills, I mean the ability to aim, lead, time and land your shots.... I've been running forge guns for months btw)

Forge guns (specifically proto) are OP against Tanks (most likely militia, or **** fit tankers):
Working as intended, it takes me at least 4 shots to take down a well built tank. Yesterday, I was perched on the dome, unloaded a full clip into a missile turret madruger I think it was, he parked under the dome out of my LOS with about 25% of his armor left. I reloaded, jumped down, driver was repairing his tank (or possibly trying to recall it).. He hopped back in, tried to run me over, I blapped his tank, then blapped him after he hopped out for a 2nd time. He had nobody else with him... but I bet he was pissed I killed his tank so "easily" with 6 shots from my ishukone (4 from overhead, 2 from the ground 10m from his tank).. Why was he running solo? If he had 2 squad members with him in the turrets, or who would have jumped out, they may have been able to take me out before I blew his tank to smitherines.

Forge guns are OP against Infantry:
This argument seems to always be tied to forge gunners who position themselves on highpoints overwatching the battlefield. I do not see any complaints about forge guns that do not have this specific height advantage tied to them regarding anti-infantry. So do you nerf the weapon, or nerf the terrain advanatage? If you eliminate the ability to take the high ground, then we are just another COD game.

Regarding the rooftop scenario, I want to know what these complainers are doing to counter the rooftop advantage? If you want to post a complaint thread about the forge gun situation, I want to hear how you have tried and failed to counter the positional advantage. Did you try taking a dropship up top? Did you try taking 2 dropships up top, one as a distraction, the other with 1-2 killers to take out the forge gunner? Did you switch to a sniper suit, or ask on comms for your squad mate sniper to suppress or kill the forge gunner? Did you call in a rail tank to counter snipe? Did you call an orbital on the elevated postiion to take out the uplinks, nanohives? Did you ask your sniper to perch on one of the higher buildings to snipe the nanohives/uplinks supporting the forge gunner?

Or, did you rush to make a new QQ

See I like this. You laid out the complaints in a clear concise format and rebuked and used logic to counter or agree with certain arguments. This is what the forum should be used for.

Now for the topic at hand. First, no I'm not QQing about the FG. I'm about 14m SP all into infantry. I have never had the thought that Forge Guns were too good until I got some turret skills and started being a gunner for my corp mate's Assault Dropships. That was when I realized how silly it is to be flying something so expensive and yet so weak. My only true concern with the FG is how good it is against dropships, which, again, isn't a product of the FG being too good. In my opinion a lot of the QQ would be quelled if: a) Payouts for vehicle pilots were better, and b) Dropships got a resistance and/or HP buff against. It should take at least a full clip to take down an equivalent level dropship. What you describe with your tank encounter is perfectly fine and I personally believe is fair and balanced.

So, in short, leave the FG alone, buff ISK payout for vehicles somehow, and give dropships some better resistances or just release the damn proto-level dropships already.

Only major thing I want back on forges is the trail so I know where the damn shot is coming from.

Another big thing is that vehicles apear at further distances for infantry to see so they can be shooting us and we can not even see them because of the **** draw distance.

I do not overly mind that they are somewhat effective against infantry. Thats fine. Just to damn effective against vehicles. Does that mean you need to nerf Forge guns. No. Just need to rework vehicles and I think that mostly needs to be the modules.

so i just want to point out the rendering range on rails puts them within FG range, fix it now!

Just want to point out ALOT of rail tankers I talk to have no problems sniping rooftop forge gunners even with the currently borked draw distance. But I personally do not drive tanks, so if you need help or guidance you may want to make a thread about the issues you are having killing guys like me.

Just want to point out ALOT of rail tankers I talk to have no problems sniping rooftop forge gunners even with the currently borked draw distance. But I personally do not drive tanks, so if you need help or guidance you may want to make a thread about the issues you are having killing guys like me.

I've heard tell people with SSD drives are mostly ok with Dust as it regards to many issues along these lines. Perhaps relevant?

I agree with a lot of what you say about the effectiveness of the player determining the effectiveness of the gun. I've played with some good forge gunners and am happy that people are brave enough to pursue dedicated AV roles. The problem that games like this have is most people never really stop to think why they died but instead just look at the weapon that killed them and cry foul play.

What I really disagree with in your posts, though, is how much you dismiss any complaints and simply take the "HTFU" route. Take a moment and put yourself in the perspective of that drop ship you just one shot. You're spending, what, 120-150k tops on your proto gear? That pilot is spending upwards of 1.5m for his ship, and he or she doesn't get nearly the WPs you typically do sitting in your perch. If you want people to stop complaining about your gun, try to look at the essence of what people are really concerned about, analyze it, and determine possible solutions that wouldn't overstretch the effectiveness of either side. You do a good job with that in your videos but here it seems like you're just worried CCP may swing the hammer in your direction. You don't quell a crowd by telling them to STFU and deal with it...

I never said it's OP. I said using the positioning and weapon to their highest potential will result in good scores. There are counters to Forge Guns. If I'm getting sniped, I'm not as effective. Stop asking CCP to hold your hand. Either counter it, or don't complain.

Also, sorry:

ALOT

No, I still hate redline snipers.

It's not an issue of wanting my hand held you DB, i'm one of the most difficult people to kill in this game and even skilless garbage heavies who have to camp on the tallest towers in the game to eek out one or two kills with an AV weapon isn't going to kill me more than once.

IN YOUR OWN WORDS, "gaining upwards of 3000 WP, tanks will want an HP buff, infantry will wonder where the hell you are, installations will be wiped off the map, LAVs will feed you free kills, etc."

you're right THAT WEAPON DOESN'T SOUND OP AT ALL LOL

If you're so good, why don't you counter the "garbage heavies"? And just to reiterate, the Forge Gun is NOT an AV weapon. It is a weapon that does high damage to both infantry and vehicles.

Interestingly enough, those statements about the effectiveness of the Forge Gun are mostly about how effective they are against vehicles. If you don't like Forge Gunners, counter them with sniper fire, your own Forge Gun, or CQC. I mean, you think you're the best player in the world right? You shouldn't miss a slow, fat target.

[quote=DS 10]

I counter garbage heavies by giving them nothing to shoot at the whole game

unlike trash roof-camping havies, i'm actually helping my team hack objectives and playing the game, so i don't have time to go out of my way to kill a garbage heavy perched atop the tallest tower in the game.

can't wait until CCP destroys the splash radius/damage so we can actually have an FPS with gun game and not LOL IF I SHOOT 3 METERS IN HIS VICINITY ILL WIN ^__________^

/thread

This guy wants Dust to play just like COD, as he says above. He is incapable of seeing the error in his ways, in his comments, in his misinformation and exagerration spread accross 20+ pages now (2 threads). He refuses to adjust his gameplay to allow for more than AR 514. Anyone who kills him, and doesnt use the same weapon he does, is a terribad player using an OP weapon. How cute.

Save this quote people, in case this guy decides to waste anymore bandwith with his ANYONE WHO DOESNT PLAY THE GAME THE WAY I WANT THEM TO IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO GTFO nonsense.

COD is ---> that way.

I don't play call of duty, i only play high skill competitive shooters. Are you another butthurt heavy who can't stand the thought of taking his ezmode weapon away?

I don't play call of duty, i only play high skill competitive shooters. Are you another butthurt heavy who can't stand the thought of taking his ezmode weapon away?

Chromosome it was "Wahhh HMGs are OP!". Now it's Forge Guns. We complain about CCP taking things out and changing others, yet we sit and complain about every weapon. You getting killed by a certain weapon doesn't mean it's overpowered. Most likely it means you got outplayed. There are a couple weapons that irk me (Thale's SR), but generally I don't care. The Forge Gun is a relatively slow shooting, un-ADS-able, shaky weapon that makes playing on the ground nearly impossible most of the time. That's a pretty huge weakness if you ask me.

Anyways, if you like Forge Guns and want to make people rage, watch this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sktAvbnHvE4&feature=youtu.be

This thread was so much better with the flame war DS 10 started with me...and then lost.

Anyway to bring back the debate some dude said that the video of using a forge from covered high ground to defend an objective was not tactical.

I disagreed.

I don't remember ever losing anything to you...

No, forges are fine.

so your argument for keeping forge guns OP is "ITS ALL I CAN DO TO KILL GOOD PLAYERS?" That's ridiculous.

Forge guns should not kill my tank in one clip nuff said.

so your argument for keeping forge guns OP is "ITS ALL I CAN DO TO KILL GOOD PLAYERS?" That's ridiculous. I also don't use fused nades because I can actually aim my gun.

Forge guns should not kill my tank in one clip nuff said.

I counter garbage heavies by giving them nothing to shoot at the whole game

unlike trash roof-camping havies, i'm actually helping my team hack objectives and playing the game, so i don't have time to go out of my way to kill a garbage heavy perched atop the tallest tower in the game.

can't wait until CCP destroys the splash radius/damage so we can actually have an FPS with gun game and not LOL IF I SHOOT 3 METERS IN HIS VICINITY ILL WIN ^__________^

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I counter garbage heavies by giving them nothing to shoot at the whole game

unlike trash roof-camping havies, i'm actually helping my team hack objectives and playing the game, so i don't have time to go out of my way to kill a garbage heavy perched atop the tallest tower in the game.

can't wait until CCP destroys the splash radius/damage so we can actually have an FPS with gun game and not LOL IF I SHOOT 3 METERS IN HIS VICINITY ILL WIN ^__________^

This guy just hit the nail in the head. Every word I wanted to say is right here. Everyone who is disagreeing with this guy is just scared of their little toy getting nerfed. I say, don't be, really. Just go back to the HMG. Wait, it also sucks. LMAO!

-XOXO

Forge guns should not kill my tank in one clip nuff said.

so your argument for keeping forge guns OP is "ITS ALL I CAN DO TO KILL GOOD PLAYERS?" That's ridiculous. I also don't use fused nades because I can actually aim my gun.

DS, I'm going to spec my alt into forge guns and record how brain-dead easy it is to fish for kills with one on a rooftop. maybe then CCP will see there's a serious issue that needs to be fixed.
I'm giving EoN a bad name because I want a gun adjusted so it's actually balanced? I don't care if it's an unpopular opinion and i'm certainly not the only one who thinks this way.

DUST has the potential to be a good competitive FPS and that's the only reason I'm still playing it.

Chromosome it was "Wahhh HMGs are OP!". Now it's Forge Guns. We complain about CCP taking things out and changing others, yet we sit and complain about every weapon. You getting killed by a certain weapon doesn't mean it's overpowered. Most likely it means you got outplayed. There are a couple weapons that irk me (Thale's SR), but generally I don't care. The Forge Gun is a relatively slow shooting, un-ADS-able, shaky weapon that makes playing on the ground nearly impossible most of the time. That's a pretty huge weakness if you ask me.

Anyways, if you like Forge Guns and want to make people rage, watch this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sktAvbnHvE4&feature=youtu.be

I cannot knock anyone for using tactics that reduce disadvantages and increase advantage such as height, flanking, etc. Being smart and playing tactical is as important as gun game.

In this particular instance however the amount of force required to remove a decent forge gunner from that position may be unbalanced from a game play stand point. Any decent heavy will find cover and rep from snipers (just as DS did in this Vid) and unless you send multiple drop ships any D.S. will be downed by a decent forger before it can get close. Draw distance is also a issue for some of the really high towers.

Sadly, we have been here before as I noted in a earlier post and CCP responded by nerfing the height ceiling for DS's. Now, we return full circle and are complaining about the same thing again. It would be nice to fix these issues once and not have to repeat over and over. Hard to move the game forward if design keeps pushing us back.

For a fix I personally would like these areas to have multiple means of entry. Ladders, Ramps, Teleporters, and/or Steps. That way the Forger can and should use positions of height to their advantage but also have the balance of having to hold that position against a enemy that has better access.