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DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 561	Posted - 2013.07.10 22:14:00 - [1] - Quote Chromosome it was "Wahhh HMGs are OP!". Now it's Forge Guns. We complain about CCP taking things out and changing others, yet we sit and complain about every weapon. You getting killed by a certain weapon doesn't mean it's overpowered. Most likely it means you got outplayed. There are a couple weapons that irk me (Thale's SR), but generally I don't care. The Forge Gun is a relatively slow shooting, un-ADS-able, shaky weapon that makes playing on the ground nearly impossible most of the time. That's a pretty huge weakness if you ask me. Anyways, if you like Forge Guns and want to make people rage, watch this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sktAvbnHvE4&feature=youtu.be
DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 561	Posted - 2013.07.10 22:17:00 - [2] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Tower forge sniping has never been this fun I personally like the circle I'm on in the video better than being on either of the towers. The towers are too high, plus on the circle I can see into the objective, that corner everyone throws uplinks in, and the CRU. Also, the Supply Depot is right beside me if I need to get some ammo and call in another ship to get back up. At the end, I died by a Forge Gunner on top of one of the towers though :P I guess it has its perks.
DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 562	Posted - 2013.07.10 22:25:00 - [3] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: ah, the gayest way to play of all. ive seen DS do this before. I certainly wont say your wrong to do it cuz its very smart and effective but its really gay too. like, really gay. like, your a f a gget for doing it. srly. Do you even lift? bro? I'm sorry you feel that way. See you in game. Don't forget to look up.
DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 563	Posted - 2013.07.10 22:37:00 - [4] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: DS 10 wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: ah, the gayest way to play of all. ive seen DS do this before. I certainly wont say your wrong to do it cuz its very smart and effective but its really gay too. like, really gay. like, your a f a gget for doing it. srly. Do you even lift? bro? I'm sorry you feel that way. See you in game. Don't forget to look up. lol it doesnt matter if i look up, your charge is gone and you turn invisible to tanks when your too far away. I have no way of knowing your there untill i blow up. Thats why your a f a g So you're mad that I blow up tanks with an AV weapon? Sorry I'm not going to let a tank get easy kills. Just quit before the game starts so you don't have to lose more tanks to me. Simple solution.
DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 563	Posted - 2013.07.10 22:38:00 - [5] - Quote Buddha Brown wrote: oh, pub stomping Eh, yeah. The only non-pub matches are PC and I don't really play much PC anymore. Besides, my role in PC is completely different than the role I play in pub matches. Sorry to disappoint!
DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 566	Posted - 2013.07.10 22:57:00 - [6] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: love your videos. left a comment. i dont really want forges nerfed. just wish my tanks had more PG to tank better against your damage modded death gat. Or a 50% price reduction so i only need to make a tank last 3 rounds instead of 6. Would anyone be against that? Oh, God. I'm all for price reduction. Price Reduction means more tanks. More tanks means more points. It's funny that I used to avoid tanks at all costs. Now I actively engage them.
DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 569	Posted - 2013.07.10 22:59:00 - [7] - Quote hooc order wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: ah, the gayest way to play of all. Compared to watching his other videos where he just stands in the middle of the road in the wide open i have to say at least this is an improvement. Using covered high ground to defend objectives with a ranged weapon....might even call this a tactic. Are you really talking to someone about having some skill? You're like the Billy Madison of Dust 514. Hush.
DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 569	Posted - 2013.07.10 23:07:00 - [8] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: DS 10 wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: DS 10 wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: ah, the gayest way to play of all. ive seen DS do this before. I certainly wont say your wrong to do it cuz its very smart and effective but its really gay too. like, really gay. like, your a f a gget for doing it. srly. Do you even lift? bro? I'm sorry you feel that way. See you in game. Don't forget to look up. lol it doesnt matter if i look up, your charge is gone and you turn invisible to tanks when your too far away. I have no way of knowing your there untill i blow up. Thats why your a f a g So you're mad that I blow up tanks with an AV weapon? Sorry I'm not going to let a tank get easy kills. Just quit before the game starts so you don't have to lose more tanks to me. Simple solution. No i support ppl going AV, it makes tanking fair because i can be stoped and its always fun trying to outdo my competition and ppl who want me dead. and if they blow me up then cool, they earned it. but when your alllll the way up there i litterally have no way of detecting you. Theres no way for me to defend myself or shoot back or run away or well, anything. its a really gay way to play. not saying your a bad person or you have no skill for doing it, your obviously clever but doing it also makes you a pu*y It's funny, I remember the time you're referring to because you sent me hatemail after the game. I actually just sat and waited for you to get to where you couldn't escape once I hit you with my first shot. I figured your tank was stacked so I'd need time to hit all my shots, and possibly have to reload more rounds. I use that strategy all the time against tanks because a lot of tanks run at the first sign of trouble.
DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 571	Posted - 2013.07.10 23:14:00 - [9] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: well yeah we have to lol, we cant do anything but run cuz wee cant even see you... but we have no were to run to bcuz you can always see the entire map. See were im comming from? tanks are UP and AV can do things like this. This is why tankers ethire stoped playing dust or stoped playing tanks Is it really that common though? I'm sure more often than not, when you get taken out, it's by someone on the ground. I rarely see FGs up top anywhere.
DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 572	Posted - 2013.07.10 23:32:00 - [10] - Quote Cy Clone1 wrote: Crash Monster wrote: Cy Clone1 wrote: idk maybe if the projectile was slower might be better for dropships. I mean I can be flying full speed away and I still get pegged. Unless every forgegunner is a marksmen. Ship's aren't that small... doesn't take a genius to aim at it. it doesn't take a genius, it seems pretty easy which might be the problem. why wouldnt you put yourself on a tower immune to orbitals and pretty much everything else and rain down blue fire. similar to a red line tankers argument. Its extremely frustrating to deal with, but why not. The difference between what I do and redline snipers is I actually PTFO. I provide support, intel, and objective clearing. Redline snipers just hope some poor soul walks through their sights.

DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 572	Posted - 2013.07.10 23:37:00 - [11] - Quote hooc order wrote: DS 10 wrote: hooc order wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: ah, the gayest way to play of all. Compared to watching his other videos where he just stands in the middle of the road in the wide open i have to say at least this is an improvement. Using covered high ground to defend objectives with a ranged weapon....might even call this a tactic. Are you really talking to someone about having some skill? You're like the Billy Madison of Dust 514. Hush. Says the carried. Haha, carried by who? I've seen you play. It's hilarious. Instead of killing you, I just watched you try to run from 3 or 4 of my teammates. It was like the fat kid at school trying to make it to the teacher before he gets a wedgie.
DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 572	Posted - 2013.07.10 23:38:00 - [12] - Quote Knight SoIaire wrote: DS 10 wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: ah, the gayest way to play of all. ive seen DS do this before. I certainly wont say your wrong to do it cuz its very smart and effective but its really gay too. like, really gay. like, your a f a gget for doing it. srly. Do you even lift? bro? I'm sorry you feel that way. See you in game. Don't forget to look up. I cant. My HAV wont let me look up that far Touche.
DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 573	Posted - 2013.07.10 23:53:00 - [13] - Quote Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote: DS 10 wrote: Chromosome it was "Wahhh HMGs are OP!". Now it's Forge Guns. We complain about CCP taking things out and changing others, yet we sit and complain about every weapon. You getting killed by a certain weapon doesn't mean it's overpowered. Most likely it means you got outplayed. There are a couple weapons that irk me (Thale's SR), but generally I don't care. The Forge Gun is a relatively slow shooting, un-ADS-able, shaky weapon that makes playing on the ground nearly impossible most of the time. That's a pretty huge weakness if you ask me. Anyways, if you like Forge Guns and want to make people rage, watch this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sktAvbnHvE4&feature=youtu.be Nice try. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMfyiDuqvCc I haven't really messed around with the Breach yet. My best game with the IAFG is 35-0 and 3200 WP. Good stuff though.
DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 581	Posted - 2013.07.11 18:21:00 - [14] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: DS 10 wrote: Shijima Kuraimaru wrote: As I said in another post... Forge gunners have no zoomed aim. Forge gunners have on center dot to show where their projectile will most likely hit before dispersion (Yes the Forge had a little dispersion). Forge gunners have to contend with screen shake. Forge gunners have to contend with travel time. Forge gunners contend with being slowed down while charging/holding a charge (Immobilized if using a breach). Forge gunners have to contend with having a very limited amount of ammunition. Forge gunners have to contend with being able to be killed by everything on the field, except swarms. Forge gunners are heavies, so they are slow and large making them easy targets. Forge gunners have no equipment slots. How many mercs can be killed with the AR before the wielder runs completely out of ammo and has to go resupply? I'm sure it's more than seven or eight. Ten if it's a lucky Forge gunner ignoring drop ships, HAVs, redline rail snipers, installations, etc. When we just wanted more ammo and reasonable travel time and range for a projectile that's supposed to excede, as per the weapon description, 7000 meters/7 kilometers/4.35 miles per second, much of the non forge community said HTFU and get good. Well now that several of us have hardened the f**k up and have gotten good, those same people are now QQing that the forge is OP and the Forge gunner is godlike. I guess it your turn to HTFU. It's HTFU if you do bad, QQ if you do well. There's nothing broken about the FG. It's effectiveness is determined by the user, not the weapon, which IMO voids any talks of OP. A very small percentage of players are high level Forge Gunners. It's not something you pick up and can automatically do well with it. People are just mad the game isn't all about the AR. As I've said to QQers, either counter it or don't complain. The technique is what allows the high scores, not the Forge Gun. I agree with a lot of what you say about the effectiveness of the player determining the effectiveness of the gun. I've played with some good forge gunners and am happy that people are brave enough to pursue dedicated AV roles. The problem that games like this have is most people never really stop to think why they died but instead just look at the weapon that killed them and cry foul play. What I really disagree with in your posts, though, is how much you dismiss any complaints and simply take the "HTFU" route. Take a moment and put yourself in the perspective of that drop ship you just one shot. You're spending, what, 120-150k tops on your proto gear? That pilot is spending upwards of 1.5m for his ship, and he or she doesn't get nearly the WPs you typically do sitting in your perch. If you want people to stop complaining about your gun, try to look at the essence of what people are really concerned about, analyze it, and determine possible solutions that wouldn't overstretch the effectiveness of either side. You do a good job with that in your videos but here it seems like you're just worried CCP may swing the hammer in your direction. You don't quell a crowd by telling them to STFU and deal with it... I said something along the lines of "pilots will rightfully complain that dropships need an HP buff" in the video. I know how UP dropships are. I fly them every game. I've stated in several threads that they need buffed As far as saying STFU and deal with it, I have stated several counters to the method. A method that can be countered isn't OP. people are just stubborn and don't want to do what's best for the team.
DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 582	Posted - 2013.07.11 19:18:00 - [15] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: DS 10 wrote: King Kobrah wrote: in the first minute of your video you explain yourself why it's so OP and the footage just confirms it. Too good vs infantry. I never said it's OP. I said using the positioning and weapon to their highest potential will result in good scores. There are counters to Forge Guns. If I'm getting sniped, I'm not as effective. Stop asking CCP to hold your hand. Either counter it, or don't complain. It's not an issue of wanting my hand held you DB, i'm one of the most difficult people to kill in this game and even skilless garbage heavies who have to camp on the tallest towers in the game to eek out one or two kills with an AV weapon isn't going to kill me more than once. IN YOUR OWN WORDS, "gaining upwards of 3000 WP, tanks will want an HP buff, infantry will wonder where the hell you are, installations will be wiped off the map, LAVs will feed you free kills, etc." you're right THAT WEAPON DOESN'T SOUND OP AT ALL LOL If you're so good, why don't you counter the "garbage heavies"? And just to reiterate, the Forge Gun is NOT an AV weapon. It is a weapon that does high damage to both infantry and vehicles. Interestingly enough, those statements about the effectiveness of the Forge Gun are mostly about how effective they are against vehicles. If you don't like Forge Gunners, counter them with sniper fire, your own Forge Gun, or CQC. I mean, you think you're the best player in the world right? You shouldn't miss a slow, fat target.
DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 588	Posted - 2013.07.11 21:28:00 - [16] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: ER-Bullitt wrote: King Kobrah wrote: [quote=DS 10] I counter garbage heavies by giving them nothing to shoot at the whole game unlike trash roof-camping havies, i'm actually helping my team hack objectives and playing the game, so i don't have time to go out of my way to kill a garbage heavy perched atop the tallest tower in the game. can't wait until CCP destroys the splash radius/damage so we can actually have an FPS with gun game and not LOL IF I SHOOT 3 METERS IN HIS VICINITY ILL WIN ^__________^ /thread This guy wants Dust to play just like COD, as he says above. He is incapable of seeing the error in his ways, in his comments, in his misinformation and exagerration spread accross 20+ pages now (2 threads). He refuses to adjust his gameplay to allow for more than AR 514. Anyone who kills him, and doesnt use the same weapon he does, is a terribad player using an OP weapon. How cute. Save this quote people, in case this guy decides to waste anymore bandwith with his ANYONE WHO DOESNT PLAY THE GAME THE WAY I WANT THEM TO IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO GTFO nonsense. COD is ---> that way. I don't play call of duty, i only play high skill competitive shooters. Are you another butthurt heavy who can't stand the thought of taking his ezmode weapon away? If you think Dust is a "high level competitive shooter", you might wanna go to a different game. Dust is about SP, gear, and ISK efficiency. I think it's funny you think you're God's gift to Dust, but you won't try to take me out. The Forge Gun isn't Easy Mode. You can't just pick it up and be good with it. I think you're just a butthurt wanna-be-badass that cries foul when anything kills him. Stop being a little girl, man. You're giving EoN. a bad name.
DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 588	Posted - 2013.07.11 21:40:00 - [17] - Quote hooc order wrote: This thread was so much better with the flame war DS 10 started with me...and then lost. Anyway to bring back the debate some dude said that the video of using a forge from covered high ground to defend an objective was not tactical. I disagreed. I don't remember ever losing anything to you...
DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 592	Posted - 2013.07.12 19:56:00 - [18] - Quote SteelDark Knight wrote: I cannot knock anyone for using tactics that reduce disadvantages and increase advantage such as height, flanking, etc. Being smart and playing tactical is as important as gun game. In this particular instance however the amount of force required to remove a decent forge gunner from that position may be unbalanced from a game play stand point. Any decent heavy will find cover and rep from snipers (just as DS did in this Vid) and unless you send multiple drop ships any D.S. will be downed by a decent forger before it can get close. Draw distance is also a issue for some of the really high towers. Sadly, we have been here before as I noted in a earlier post and CCP responded by nerfing the height ceiling for DS's. Now, we return full circle and are complaining about the same thing again. It would be nice to fix these issues once and not have to repeat over and over. Hard to move the game forward if design keeps pushing us back. For a fix I personally would like these areas to have multiple means of entry. Ladders, Ramps, Teleporters, and/or Steps. That way the Forger can and should use positions of height to their advantage but also have the balance of having to hold that position against a enemy that has better access. I appreciate your understanding of what I've been trying to say. The weapon itself isn't OP as there are many weaknesses to using the FG. The tactic paired with the weapon are extremely strong and can lead to domination on the battlefield. Until there is some kind of fix (if a fix is even really needed) for rooftops, it's up to YOU to take out/harass anyone on rooftops. Any time I'm spending in cover repairing armor or charging shields is time I lose total effectiveness. If no one does anything, is it really my fault for playing smart? The point of this game is to make ISK. You make ISK by not dying. If I'm on a rooftop and no one is shooting at me, why would I drop to the ground when that almost guarantees at least one death? Snipe me. Forge me. Hit me with your orbitals. Do whatever you can to annoy me and possibly kill me. That's how you counter the tactic. If you don't counter it, don't complain. Period. (By the way, SDK, the "you" in the paragraph above wasn't directed to you, sorry)