DUST Search - So everyone hates Forge Guns now, huh?

Exmaple Core wrote:

DS 10 wrote:

Exmaple Core wrote:

DS 10 wrote:

Exmaple Core wrote:

ah, the gayest way to play of all. ive seen DS do this before. I certainly wont say your wrong to do it cuz its very smart and effective but its really gay too. like, really gay. like, your a f a gget for doing it. srly. Do you even lift? bro?

I'm sorry you feel that way. See you in game. Don't forget to look up.

lol it doesnt matter if i look up, your charge is gone and you turn invisible to tanks when your too far away. I have no way of knowing your there untill i blow up. Thats why your a f a g

So you're mad that I blow up tanks with an AV weapon? Sorry I'm not going to let a tank get easy kills. Just quit before the game starts so you don't have to lose more tanks to me. Simple solution.

No i support ppl going AV, it makes tanking fair because i can be stoped and its always fun trying to outdo my competition and ppl who want me dead. and if they blow me up then cool, they earned it. but when your alllll the way up there i litterally have no way of detecting you. Theres no way for me to defend myself or shoot back or run away or well, anything. its a really gay way to play. not saying your a bad person or you have no skill for doing it, your obviously clever but doing it also makes you a pu*y

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Nelo Angel0 The Nommo Insurance Fraud. 121	Posted - 2013.07.10 23:15:00 - [31] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: DS 10 wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: DS 10 wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: ah, the gayest way to play of all. ive seen DS do this before. I certainly wont say your wrong to do it cuz its very smart and effective but its really gay too. like, really gay. like, your a f a gget for doing it. srly. Do you even lift? bro? I'm sorry you feel that way. See you in game. Don't forget to look up. lol it doesnt matter if i look up, your charge is gone and you turn invisible to tanks when your too far away. I have no way of knowing your there untill i blow up. Thats why your a f a g So you're mad that I blow up tanks with an AV weapon? Sorry I'm not going to let a tank get easy kills. Just quit before the game starts so you don't have to lose more tanks to me. Simple solution. No i support ppl going AV, it makes tanking fair because i can be stoped and its always fun trying to outdo my competition and ppl who want me dead. and if they blow me up then cool, they earned it. but when your alllll the way up there i litterally have no way of detecting you. Theres no way for me to defend myself or shoot back or run away or well, anything. its a really gay way to play. not saying your a bad person or you have no skill for doing it, your obviously clever but doing it also makes you a pu*y Some people calls this tactic and stealth AMAZING what can happen when you use your brain.
Exmaple Core Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 515	Posted - 2013.07.10 23:17:00 - [32] - Quote DS 10 wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: well yeah we have to lol, we cant do anything but run cuz wee cant even see you... but we have no were to run to bcuz you can always see the entire map. See were im comming from? tanks are UP and AV can do things like this. This is why tankers ethire stoped playing dust or stoped playing tanks Is it really that common though? I'm sure more often than not, when you get taken out, it's by someone on the ground. I rarely see FGs up top anywhere. yeahh its pretty common, like 1 in three games on my end. really sucks, tanking is not fun bcuz of the imbalance of the game and exploits like these. Remember chromosome and the insaine amount of tankers? well, its ppl doing this and the nerfs to the class that makes tanks unapealing. imagine loosing 1.6 mill to that a few times a day. really not fun to do, i dont want to be a tank anymore. not many ppl do
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 542	Posted - 2013.07.10 23:18:00 - [33] - Quote Even still its a bit of a **** move.... but if it works it works....
Cy Clone1 Kinsho Swords Caldari State 99	Posted - 2013.07.10 23:19:00 - [34] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Cy Clone1 wrote: idk maybe if the projectile was slower might be better for dropships. I mean I can be flying full speed away and I still get pegged. Unless every forgegunner is a marksmen. Ship's aren't that small... doesn't take a genius to aim at it. it doesn't take a genius, it seems pretty easy which might be the problem. why wouldnt you put yourself on a tower immune to orbitals and pretty much everything else and rain down blue fire. similar to a red line tankers argument. Its extremely frustrating to deal with, but why not.
Exmaple Core Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 516	Posted - 2013.07.10 23:20:00 - [35] - Quote Cy Clone1 wrote: Crash Monster wrote: Cy Clone1 wrote: idk maybe if the projectile was slower might be better for dropships. I mean I can be flying full speed away and I still get pegged. Unless every forgegunner is a marksmen. Ship's aren't that small... doesn't take a genius to aim at it. it doesn't take a genius, it seems pretty easy which might be the problem. why wouldnt you put yourself on a tower immune to orbitals and pretty much everything else and rain down blue fire. similar to a red line tankers argument. Its extremely frustrating to deal with, but why not. oh yes, it is an amazing tactic its brilliant for AV specialists, its very smart. Its also very unfair for vehicals, and we have a choice to stay into vehicals and get destroyed by something we can not see, escape or fight back to, or stop playing vehicals. its apparent what most vehicle users are choosing
Laurent Cazaderon What The French CRONOS. 1812	Posted - 2013.07.10 23:23:00 - [36] - Quote FG are mostly fine as is imo. They may need a tweak to their range, or more precisely to their damage falloff to limit tower FGuning.
Nelo Angel0 The Nommo Insurance Fraud. 121	Posted - 2013.07.10 23:25:00 - [37] - Quote Ah yes I almost forgot to mention rail tanks... Nah I shouldn't have to mention how tankers do the exact same thing their bitching about now do I. to quote exmaple "heres no way for me to defend myself or shoot back or run away or well, anything. its a really gay way to play. not saying your a bad person or you have no skill for doing it, your obviously clever but doing it also makes you a pu*y"
Cy Clone1 Kinsho Swords Caldari State 99	Posted - 2013.07.10 23:26:00 - [38] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: FG are mostly fine as is imo. They may need a tweak to their range, or more precisely to their damage falloff to limit tower FGuning. fair solution and I would be happy with it as an adjustment to forgeguns.
Exmaple Core Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 516	Posted - 2013.07.10 23:27:00 - [39] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: FG are mostly fine as is imo. They may need a tweak to their range, or more precisely to their damage falloff to limit tower FGuning. i agree, small tweaks are all thats needed. they are pretty OP now bcuz we dont have good tanks. in chromosome we could fair decent against them because we had decent tanks.... not any longer. that is not the case now adays
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 807	Posted - 2013.07.10 23:30:00 - [40] - Quote Forge gun = gigantic rail gun. The entire purpose of it is to tear across incredible distances and wreck people. If you nerf the range then really, why the hell is it even a rail gun? Right now its the single most balanced splash weapon in the game. Worry about other stuff.

hooc order Deep Space Republic Top Men. 590	Posted - 2013.07.10 23:32:00 - [41] - Quote DS 10 wrote: hooc order wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: ah, the gayest way to play of all. Compared to watching his other videos where he just stands in the middle of the road in the wide open i have to say at least this is an improvement. Using covered high ground to defend objectives with a ranged weapon....might even call this a tactic. Are you really talking to someone about having some skill? You're like the Billy Madison of Dust 514. Hush. Says the carried.
DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 572	Posted - 2013.07.10 23:32:00 - [42] - Quote Cy Clone1 wrote: Crash Monster wrote: Cy Clone1 wrote: idk maybe if the projectile was slower might be better for dropships. I mean I can be flying full speed away and I still get pegged. Unless every forgegunner is a marksmen. Ship's aren't that small... doesn't take a genius to aim at it. it doesn't take a genius, it seems pretty easy which might be the problem. why wouldnt you put yourself on a tower immune to orbitals and pretty much everything else and rain down blue fire. similar to a red line tankers argument. Its extremely frustrating to deal with, but why not. The difference between what I do and redline snipers is I actually PTFO. I provide support, intel, and objective clearing. Redline snipers just hope some poor soul walks through their sights.
Exmaple Core Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 517	Posted - 2013.07.10 23:35:00 - [43] - Quote Nelo Angel0 wrote: Ah yes I almost forgot to mention rail tanks... Nah I shouldn't have to mention how tankers do the exact same thing their bitching about now do I. to quote exmaple "heres no way for me to defend myself or shoot back or run away or well, anything. its a really gay way to play. not saying your a bad person or you have no skill for doing it, your obviously clever but doing it also makes you a pu*y" you can physically see us and we cant see you. also, your cannon cost us alot more than it costs you. were also a tank and your a person... its pretty diffrent. we cant do what yal do forge sniping
Knight SoIaire Rent-A-Murder Taxi 1152	Posted - 2013.07.10 23:36:00 - [44] - Quote DS 10 wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: ah, the gayest way to play of all. ive seen DS do this before. I certainly wont say your wrong to do it cuz its very smart and effective but its really gay too. like, really gay. like, your a f a gget for doing it. srly. Do you even lift? bro? I'm sorry you feel that way. See you in game. Don't forget to look up. I cant. My HAV wont let me look up that far
DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 572	Posted - 2013.07.10 23:37:00 - [45] - Quote hooc order wrote: DS 10 wrote: hooc order wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: ah, the gayest way to play of all. Compared to watching his other videos where he just stands in the middle of the road in the wide open i have to say at least this is an improvement. Using covered high ground to defend objectives with a ranged weapon....might even call this a tactic. Are you really talking to someone about having some skill? You're like the Billy Madison of Dust 514. Hush. Says the carried. Haha, carried by who? I've seen you play. It's hilarious. Instead of killing you, I just watched you try to run from 3 or 4 of my teammates. It was like the fat kid at school trying to make it to the teacher before he gets a wedgie.
dazlb72 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 33	Posted - 2013.07.10 23:37:00 - [46] - Quote forge guns should be scary......... very scary. I don't see any problem with them to be honest
DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 572	Posted - 2013.07.10 23:38:00 - [47] - Quote Knight SoIaire wrote: DS 10 wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: ah, the gayest way to play of all. ive seen DS do this before. I certainly wont say your wrong to do it cuz its very smart and effective but its really gay too. like, really gay. like, your a f a gget for doing it. srly. Do you even lift? bro? I'm sorry you feel that way. See you in game. Don't forget to look up. I cant. My HAV wont let me look up that far Touche.
Konohamaru Sarutobi Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 469	Posted - 2013.07.10 23:40:00 - [48] - Quote DS 10 wrote: Chromosome it was "Wahhh HMGs are OP!". Now it's Forge Guns. We complain about CCP taking things out and changing others, yet we sit and complain about every weapon. You getting killed by a certain weapon doesn't mean it's overpowered. Most likely it means you got outplayed. There are a couple weapons that irk me (Thale's SR), but generally I don't care. The Forge Gun is a relatively slow shooting, un-ADS-able, shaky weapon that makes playing on the ground nearly impossible most of the time. That's a pretty huge weakness if you ask me. Anyways, if you like Forge Guns and want to make people rage, watch this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sktAvbnHvE4&feature=youtu.be Nice try. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMfyiDuqvCc
Nelo Angel0 The Nommo Insurance Fraud. 121	Posted - 2013.07.10 23:42:00 - [49] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Nelo Angel0 wrote: Ah yes I almost forgot to mention rail tanks... Nah I shouldn't have to mention how tankers do the exact same thing their bitching about now do I. to quote exmaple "heres no way for me to defend myself or shoot back or run away or well, anything. its a really gay way to play. not saying your a bad person or you have no skill for doing it, your obviously clever but doing it also makes you a pu*y" you can physically see us and we cant see you. also, your cannon cost us alot more than it costs you. were also a tank and your a person... its pretty diffrent. we cant do what yal do forge sniping Yes we can SEE you not REACH you. Fix typo in second sentence it doesn't make sense. Your right your a tank and i'm a person it IS different because you can survive and OB,stay behind the redline and still hit us, oh and you can escape better then we can. If your argument is that you cost more. Then note you can also DO more and GTFO as soon as you sense danger. That aside costing more is the only the thing you have going and that's it.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Top Men. 96	Posted - 2013.07.10 23:50:00 - [50] - Quote Nothing wrong with forges really. The removal of the charge up spotlight was a buff. Forge gun sniping is completely stupid, especially at height. No one can reach you except snipers and have 0 chance to get to you because you can 2 shot any Dship. Killing with nearly 0 risk. That said, forge gun sniping is only for kittening around, does little good in PC so I won't lose any sleep over it.

DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 573	Posted - 2013.07.10 23:53:00 - [51] - Quote Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote: DS 10 wrote: Chromosome it was "Wahhh HMGs are OP!". Now it's Forge Guns. We complain about CCP taking things out and changing others, yet we sit and complain about every weapon. You getting killed by a certain weapon doesn't mean it's overpowered. Most likely it means you got outplayed. There are a couple weapons that irk me (Thale's SR), but generally I don't care. The Forge Gun is a relatively slow shooting, un-ADS-able, shaky weapon that makes playing on the ground nearly impossible most of the time. That's a pretty huge weakness if you ask me. Anyways, if you like Forge Guns and want to make people rage, watch this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sktAvbnHvE4&feature=youtu.be Nice try. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMfyiDuqvCc I haven't really messed around with the Breach yet. My best game with the IAFG is 35-0 and 3200 WP. Good stuff though.
hooc order Deep Space Republic Top Men. 591	Posted - 2013.07.11 00:01:00 - [52] - Quote DS 10 wrote: hooc order wrote: DS 10 wrote: hooc order wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: ah, the gayest way to play of all. Compared to watching his other videos where he just stands in the middle of the road in the wide open i have to say at least this is an improvement. Using covered high ground to defend objectives with a ranged weapon....might even call this a tactic. Are you really talking to someone about having some skill? You're like the Billy Madison of Dust 514. Hush. Says the carried. Haha, carried by who? I've seen you play. It's hilarious. Instead of killing you, I just watched you try to run from 3 or 4 of my teammates. It was like the fat kid at school trying to make it to the teacher before he gets a wedgie. I have seen you twice on the other team. You lost both and i know i went positive in one and probably in both. You, like nearly everyone here, are carried by your SP/levels. Anyway perhaps you would have won that last one if your 3 or 4 team mates with a combined total SP of 50 million wasn't having such a hard time chasing little old me around the CRU with my 1.3 million SP.
XxWarlordxX97 Internal Error. League of Infamy 3957	Posted - 2013.07.11 00:02:00 - [53] - Quote DS 10 wrote: Chromosome it was "Wahhh HMGs are OP!". Now it's Forge Guns. We complain about CCP taking things out and changing others, yet we sit and complain about every weapon. You getting killed by a certain weapon doesn't mean it's overpowered. Most likely it means you got outplayed. There are a couple weapons that irk me (Thale's SR), but generally I don't care. The Forge Gun is a relatively slow shooting, un-ADS-able, shaky weapon that makes playing on the ground nearly impossible most of the time. That's a pretty huge weakness if you ask me. Anyways, if you like Forge Guns and want to make people rage, watch this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sktAvbnHvE4&feature=youtu.be It's because I just started using them
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 2605	Posted - 2013.07.11 00:40:00 - [54] - Quote As a vehicle user I have an abiding hatred of forge guns, that shall not change.
CharCharOdell Shining Flame Amarr Empire 412	Posted - 2013.07.11 00:43:00 - [55] - Quote Hold on...did someone say BACON!?
Exmaple Core Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 517	Posted - 2013.07.11 01:07:00 - [56] - Quote Nelo Angel0 wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: Nelo Angel0 wrote: Ah yes I almost forgot to mention rail tanks... Nah I shouldn't have to mention how tankers do the exact same thing their bitching about now do I. to quote exmaple "heres no way for me to defend myself or shoot back or run away or well, anything. its a really gay way to play. not saying your a bad person or you have no skill for doing it, your obviously clever but doing it also makes you a pu*y" you can physically see us and we cant see you. also, your cannon cost us alot more than it costs you. were also a tank and your a person... its pretty diffrent. we cant do what yal do forge sniping Yes we can SEE you not REACH you. Fix typo in second sentence it doesn't make sense. Your right your a tank and i'm a person it IS different because you can survive and OB,stay behind the redline and still hit us, oh and you can escape better then we can. If your argument is that you cost more. Then note you can also DO more and GTFO as soon as you sense danger. That aside costing more is the only the thing you have going and that's it. lol the difference is you can see us and shoot us back, we are not invisible and can not shoot you. simply as that, we can be countered but we cant counter you. we just blow up
Justin Tymes Raymond James Corp 199	Posted - 2013.07.11 01:15:00 - [57] - Quote It's not the fact that it's sniping Infantry from above, it's the fact that it's sniping Dropships and tanks from above too, meaning you wont be removing that Heavy if he has half of a brain without an orbital. It's annoying since the best thing you can do is keep a sniper on him so he doesn't snipe for free.
Big miku Internal Error. League of Infamy 249	Posted - 2013.07.11 01:29:00 - [58] - Quote Oh no, Heavies using a weapon in the best way it can be used NERF NERF NERF. This sucks as I just started using the FG a lot and am loving it, all the nerfbabies always get what they won't so I am looking forward to "Forgegun damage drop off to prevent FG sniping" I guess the forgegun is supposed to be a big AV shotgun. Maybe the problem is not the Forge Gun but weak ass vehicles. As for anti infantry deals, the thing has like a 3m splash radius, which is 2 feet going by CCP measurements, so you pretty much have to be dean on the guy to do damage.
Big miku Internal Error. League of Infamy 249	Posted - 2013.07.11 01:32:00 - [59] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: lol the difference is you can see us and shoot us back, we are not invisible and can not shoot you. simply as that, we can be countered but we cant counter you. we just blow up then the problem is not the forge gunner, it is the draw distance. CCP **** up when they prioritized shiny grafix over game play. I'd rather see the sniper sniping me, not the neat-o steam efx on some random vent. * about the **** draw distance.
Funkmaster Whale 0uter.Heaven 58	Posted - 2013.07.11 01:37:00 - [60] - Quote I think the Forge Gun is great at doing what it was intended to do: taking out vehicles as well as unwary infantry. There is a certain skill to the gun that justifies it's power. It's CQC effectiveness is pretty bad as long as you know how to strafe, so the gun doesn't really break its intended mechanisms. With that said, I believe there is an imbalance right now with the forge gun's effectiveness against vehicles (particularly drop ships) that is NOT necessarily a product of the forge gun itself, but other factors that play into making the forge gun seem too good. First, dropships right now are incredibly expensive and don't really provide the pilot with enough WPs to justify its use. Couple this with the fact that a forge gun can one or two-shot a dropship and it makes it excruciating on the pilot to deal with. My foremost suggestion to this is reducing the costs of vehicles all around to make it easier to make a profit being a pilot. The other thing that's sorely needed is countermeasures. Tanks and dropships don't really have enough to counter someone forge sniping them from a tower which is why they always resort to redline railtanking. Dropships are left with nothing in that department and just become cannon fodder as soon as a forge gunner joins the field. I understand that vehicles require a lot of team coordination to truly make them effective, but having been a gunner in a dropship as witness I can say it must be incredibly frustrating to be flying around and all of a sudden your health drops and you're plummeting to the ground in your 1m ISK dropships. Pilots need some sort of warning system and dropships overall need some better damage reduction. Tanks suffer a similar problem but are at least a bit more hardy against forge guns. Overall I think CCP should work on the smaller things like pricing to at least make vehicles a profitable endeavor before taking bigger steps in balancing.



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