This game doesn't have enough content to keep the masses interested. I am only back playing after a month hiatus. A hiatus chosen by me due to boredom. To keep this game fresh respecing into different suits/weapons is much needed. I propose a respec available for $10 worth of AUR. I'm not suggesting if you are allowed to respec Jan 1 and don't use it you can use one mid March and then again on April 1. If you buy one and use it a 90 day waiting period is mandatory before another is available.

Forget the OP arguement and the FOTM one too. It's rediculous. You need DUST to be self sufficient and not leach funds off of EVE. All those arguement are from fanboys whom want this game to be EVE.

I haven't spent a dime on this game and have been here since day 1 of open beta, but I would definitely buy respecs and probably for multiple characters. I get that it may dip into booster sales but only the hardcore players buy boosters and would continue to do so. You have a wealth of untapped $ just waiting for you.

This would keep people playing in your world of lack of content. At the rate you can produce content you will have DUST on the level of BF3. That's great but BF4 will have been out for 2 years by then. Your guys are innovative but cannot keep up with the market. Once games like Destiny are released you will have been surpassed. Keep your core guys here with respec flexibility. Give new players hope that after they get a handle on the game and know what they like a respec to get the player they now know they want is only $10 away.

Show your support if you agree! Lets keep this on the front page. A daily reminder on what most people want and not the few vocal fanboys fear.

A couple of things that annoy me while I'm at it. When I look at a guns stats and guns range is listed in all other FPSs. Also names of the map you are about to play are in other FPSs. I get you love to be different but these are some glaring and obvious items that are just a few reasons I didn't think CCP was worthy of my money.

Why is Democracy a great way to lead? Freedom! Give us the freedom to respec and cash in!

Lust Out!

how about no

This game doesn't have enough content to keep the masses interested. I am only back playing after a month hiatus. A hiatus chosen by me due to boredom. To keep this game fresh respecing into different suits/weapons is much needed. I propose a respec available for $10 worth of AUR. I'm not suggesting if you are allowed to respec Jan 1 and don't use it you can use one mid March and then again on April 1. If you buy one and use it a 90 day waiting period is mandatory before another is available.

Forget the OP arguement and the FOTM one too. It's rediculous. You need DUST to be self sufficient and not leach funds off of EVE. All those arguement are from fanboys whom want this game to be EVE.

I haven't spent a dime on this game and have been here since day 1 of open beta, but I would definitely buy respecs and probably for multiple characters. I get that it may dip into booster sales but only the hardcore players buy boosters and would continue to do so. You have a wealth of untapped $ just waiting for you.

This would keep people playing in your world of lack of content. At the rate you can produce content you will have DUST on the level of BF3. That's great but BF4 will have been out for 2 years by then. Your guys are innovative but cannot keep up with the market. Once games like Destiny are released you will have been surpassed. Keep your core guys here with respec flexibility. Give new players hope that after they get a handle on the game and know what they like a respec to get the player they now know they want is only $10 away.

Show your support if you agree! Lets keep this on the front page. A daily reminder on what most people want and not the few vocal fanboys fear.

A couple of things that annoy me while I'm at it. When I look at a guns stats and guns range is listed in all other FPSs. Also names of the map you are about to play are in other FPSs. I get you love to be different but these are some glaring and obvious items that are just a few reasons I didn't think CCP was worthy of my money.

Why is Democracy a great way to lead? Freedom! Give us the freedom to respec and cash in!

Lust Out!

Any amount of respecs for aurum will be considered pay 2 win.


I suggest either once every 3 months you can get a respec for 10 million isk. then becoming 20 million isk than 30 million, all the way up to 50 million.

Or every 6 months you can opt for a respec no isk no aurum it's just an option.

Moved to the appropriate section.

Did you make sure to flush?

Respecing to FOTM is not pay to win? ISK transfer between DUST and EVE will be here fairly soon. At that point buying ISK will be easy. Limiting respec to ISK won't solve anything.

I like how you declare things as off limits to the discussion to strengthen your point. No fanboys, FOTM, or P2W. Anything else we can't use to shoot down respec for the hundredth time?

There will always be an OP weapon. No matter how slight. And you assume those that will respec will do so for that OP weapon. Sure some will do so because they need all the help they can get. But I don't care what your doing. I just want to have fun. Variety is the spice of life. If I have to grind the same 6 maps and same 4 game modes at least I can play heavy for 90 days and then logi for 90 if I choose to.
Haven't you guys gotten sick of this endless grind.

*I don't like this game to begin with and i severely lack the attention span to enjoy this game. That's why i ragequit ever so often and the reason why i want want respecs.

Forget the OP argument and the FOTM one too as there are no other reasons against respecs at all. I don't like it when people disagree with me and that's why everyone that doesn't share my shallow, vague vision of this game has to be wrong in one way or another.

I haven't spent a dime on this game and have been here since day 1 of open beta, but you have to believe me that i would totally start paying you if you allowed me to progress in this game without actually doing anything. Sure i lack any numbers or solid reasoning that could make me or you believe this, but you will definitely make more cash because, magic!

This would keep people playing the game wich i admittedly don't even like nor value in any way just as i think you are all somewhat incompetent. It never crossed my mind that different games appeal to different types of players because there's not a single person that does not share my opinions on this game and others verbatim. I also think that flexibility should be there by default, not earned because i'm oblivious to the core philosophy behind the SP system, nor am i interested in learning anything about it.

Show your support if you agree! Let's keep this on the frontpage of the wrong section. I and a few others will keep repeating the same nonsense indefinitely as you, CCP, are obviously too damn stupid to realize that i keep spamming this dead topic because i'm the minority and my arguments don't hold water.

This game is not worth my money and i have no clue what a democracy is but i like to end my posts with superficial non-statements nonetheless.

random guy Out!*

They should at least give some sort of option to respec until most of the "base" weapons, suits and vehicles are in the game. I mean, c'mon, we have what? Maybe 1/3 at the moment?

There's still no Caldari Light or Heavy. No heavy for any race other than Amarr. Only 2 racial rifles. Only 1 racial knife. Only 2 racial pistols. Only 2 races have any vehicles whatsoever. And so on and so on.

The whole spread of options should be available, but, for some forsaken reason, they aren't. If they had released every option for every category currently in the game, then i would absolutely be on the side of the people who say no to respecs, but it's still a very, very barebones game.

If there was a new ship class introduced into Eve today, but only 1 or 2 out of the 4 total options were only made available for an undetermined amount of time, there would be outrage. You would only be serving 2 out the 4 particular playstyles effectively telling those who would otherwise fall under the other 2 categories to "suck it up."

I don't see how it's even remotely reasonable to tell someone to "deal with their choices" when all the choices that should be there aren't actually there. Holding onto your skill points isn't really a completely viable option either because they obviously aren't going towards anything and there's absolutely no concrete ETA on damn near anything.

I get people want this to be this super duper ultra hardcore "HTFU" fps, but it's still barely even complete whether they say it's out of beta or not.

The 'incomplete' argument is one of the few reasonable arguments that can be brought into play. My only counter to that is lore based. The clone mercenary business is new and the megacorporations of New Eden are just now getting around to providing the products. Everybody gets access to the new products at the same time. I don't know of a good lore based reason of removing knowledge of one system and replacing it with another so you're instantly an expert. I'm fairly dedicated to Minmatar based tech and it's irritating that I have to learn other racial systems for now but I am and will adapt when I can go full Minmatar.

The 'incomplete' argument is one of the few reasonable arguments that can be brought into play. My only counter to that is lore based. The clone mercenary business is new and the megacorporations of New Eden are just now getting around to providing the products. Everybody gets access to the new products at the same time. I don't know of a good lore based reason of removing knowledge of one system and replacing it with another so you're instantly an expert. I'm fairly dedicated to Minmatar based tech and it's irritating that I have to learn other racial systems for now but I am and will adapt when I can go full Minmatar.

sure im cool with that. people will always play FOTB (build) and go with whatever is OP. This is about having fun. This is not Eve. Console players will never fully accept the Evetard mentallity of no respec's when they go thru tons of games per year. At least with this method it costs real money, there is a long delay between respecs and both CCP/Player both get what they want.

This die hard mentallity crap just wont fly here. Sorry to say. Though i do understand your point of being a diehard against it as well.

sure im cool with that. people will always play FOTB (build) and go with whatever is OP. This is about having fun. This is not Eve. Console players will never fully accept the Evetard mentallity of no respec's when they go thru tons of games per year. At least with this method it costs real money, there is a long delay between respecs and both CCP/Player both get what they want.

This die hard mentallity crap just wont fly here. Sorry to say. Though i do understand your point of being a diehard against it as well.

The guys with the "die hard mentality" are the ones buying boosters every week (for their alts too), and will be playing in 5+ years, that's a lot more cash than the $10 people are willing to pay on respecs every once-in-a-while. The problem with the FOTM is that a huge percent of the players will all be specced the SAME. It's boring-as-hell and stupid. It's more fun when there's a variety of suits, weapons, tactics going on. THIS is the reason respecs ruin the game, it makes gameplay boring, simplistic, and homogenous.

I am one who bought a veteran pack and an elite pack. I pay for boosters like everyone else. I am not always in favor of respecs either. I can see both sides. blatent respecs anytime you want is stupid and would destroy the game.

That being said, you would be in favor of someone who's build gets totally trashed like us heavies and those poor Drop ship pilot just to suffer for a few months while they rebuild their merc slowly and painfully. Sorry bro that will make tons of players just leave like they are already doing in droves. the last respec brought a lot of joy back to some players and that is why im for it with restrictions.


Folks are already playing FOTM as it is. All Tac's or all Flaylocks pick your build

I still want the ability to respec and think it should be available. Would love CCPs opinion on the matter. Has it been determined that you will make more money off boosters and chancing that some players will leave instead of grind as opposed to paying for respecs? They must have their reasoning besides live with your choices. I'm guessing that's what they say when it's simply a choice to make more money. I understand that choice I mean it is a business but I'm just curious on their thoughts

The fact that the game is still so far from being complete is that main reason that at least one respec should happen at some point. People were expected to make a choice of what path to take without actually knowing what was down any of them. I'm a perfect example of this fact. I went Amarr Logi when i really liked the idea of being Gallente logi purely because i didnt want to deal with the speed drop from armor plating. Now that the new plates are out i would love to be Gallente logi but its an insane amount of SP waste on a suit to switch over. Sure getting into a Gallente logi suit isnt that bad but we all know if youre going into PC you need proto gear. That means its going to cost 2.7 million SP to get a proto Gallente logi while if someone just wants to spec into the new items its only 700k to do so. Thats insanely unbalanced and causes the first side to have 2.7 mil wasted on a dropsuit they dont want to use while the second gets new plates plus can also still use whatever mods they were previous spec'd into.

I'm fine with the idea that you make choices and live with the consequences in New Eden but to not have any idea what the consequences are is a poor way to do things. Sure Dust is a game where there will always be new things added but we arent even to the point where all the basic things are established in order for people to really make informed choices that have incredibly long lasting effects.

The 'incomplete' argument is one of the few reasonable arguments that can be brought into play. My only counter to that is lore based. The clone mercenary business is new and the megacorporations of New Eden are just now getting around to providing the products. Everybody gets access to the new products at the same time. I don't know of a good lore based reason of removing knowledge of one system and replacing it with another so you're instantly an expert. I'm fairly dedicated to Minmatar based tech and it's irritating that I have to learn other racial systems for now but I am and will adapt when I can go full Minmatar.

This game doesn't have enough content to keep the masses interested. I am only back playing after a month hiatus. A hiatus chosen by me due to boredom. To keep this game fresh respecing into different suits/weapons is much needed. I propose a respec available for $10 worth of AUR. I'm not suggesting if you are allowed to respec Jan 1 and don't use it you can use one mid March and then again on April 1. If you buy one and use it a 90 day waiting period is mandatory before another is available.

Forget the OP arguement and the FOTM one too. It's rediculous. You need DUST to be self sufficient and not leach funds off of EVE. All those arguement are from fanboys whom want this game to be EVE.

I haven't spent a dime on this game and have been here since day 1 of open beta, but I would definitely buy respecs and probably for multiple characters. I get that it may dip into booster sales but only the hardcore players buy boosters and would continue to do so. You have a wealth of untapped $ just waiting for you.

This would keep people playing in your world of lack of content. At the rate you can produce content you will have DUST on the level of BF3. That's great but BF4 will have been out for 2 years by then. Your guys are innovative but cannot keep up with the market. Once games like Destiny are released you will have been surpassed. Keep your core guys here with respec flexibility. Give new players hope that after they get a handle on the game and know what they like a respec to get the player they now know they want is only $10 away.

Show your support if you agree! Lets keep this on the front page. A daily reminder on what most people want and not the few vocal fanboys fear.

A couple of things that annoy me while I'm at it. When I look at a guns stats and guns range is listed in all other FPSs. Also names of the map you are about to play are in other FPSs. I get you love to be different but these are some glaring and obvious items that are just a few reasons I didn't think CCP was worthy of my money.

Why is Democracy a great way to lead? Freedom! Give us the freedom to respec and cash in!

Lust Out!

Daily bump. Still think it would give this game a much needed boost

And you still failed to provide any compelling argument for this thought of yours.

The ability to respec every 90 days keeps the ge fresh for vets. Is convenient for new players after they figured out how they want to play. When the rest of the racial suits come out a tespec should be allowed for all. To tell someone they should be saving their SP indefinitely in hopes CCP will add the other racials is ludicrous. Wih no ETA on new suits. How long do you expect them to wait.

Instead we get new suits altogether, commando, and still don't have the other racial. Does that make the slightest bit of sense?

The ONLY acceptable idea I've seen toward giving you SP back to spend somewhere else was the idea of a "reverse" booster that would allow you to earn back your SP.

Any means of instantly refunding all your SP for ISK or AURUM is unacceptable.

The ability to respec every 90 days keeps the ge fresh for vets. Is convenient for new players after they figured out how they want to play. When the rest of the racial suits come out a tespec should be allowed for all. To tell someone they should be saving their SP indefinitely in hopes CCP will add the other racials is ludicrous. Wih no ETA on new suits. How long do you expect them to wait.

Instead we get new suits altogether, commando, and still don't have the other racial. Does that make the slightest bit of sense?

Pay 2 win can't be argued here if you limit how often you can respec. Allowing them for isk is absurd. This game is here to make money. Not because CCP just really likes us.

Pay 2 win can't be argued here if you limit how often you can respec. Allowing them for isk is absurd. This game is here to make money. Not because CCP just really likes us.

it is exactly a pay to win situation. you're talking about a respec that would be infinitely valuable for 10 million isk? that's stupid. i'll allow it for 8 bil.

With the Metagame in place, they can't allow something as important as a respec be an only aurum option.

Why? Explain yourself. I'm not from eve and don't understand the meta game comment

Here is something for you then Nick. If one class gets a respec all should get a respec. Say there is a RPer and the want to be a heavy but RP as a Minmatar. This person would never have specced Amarr heavy. So this person who wanted to be a heavy doesn't get a respec because they aren't now specced heavy. That's not fair. Respecs should be available for all if they are allowed at all

Lol malkai. Pathetic arguement. Good try tho.

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The problem with the "rest of the racial suits" is that the meaning of the term "rest" changes with every build as there will be new suits (and vehicles, we already know of at least two completely new types!) that lack racial variants. To tell players and CCP to let go of one of the core principles of New Eden just because some can't be bothered to choose from what is available is equally ludicrous, if not more so.

This game doesn't have enough content to keep the masses interested. I am only back playing after a month hiatus. A hiatus chosen by me due to boredom. To keep this game fresh respecing into different suits/weapons is much needed. I propose a respec available for $10 worth of AUR. I'm not suggesting if you are allowed to respec Jan 1 and don't use it you can use one mid March and then again on April 1. If you buy one and use it a 90 day waiting period is mandatory before another is available.

Forget the OP arguement and the FOTM one too. It's rediculous. You need DUST to be self sufficient and not leach funds off of EVE. All those arguement are from fanboys whom want this game to be EVE.

I haven't spent a dime on this game and have been here since day 1 of open beta, but I would definitely buy respecs and probably for multiple characters. I get that it may dip into booster sales but only the hardcore players buy boosters and would continue to do so. You have a wealth of untapped $ just waiting for you.

This would keep people playing in your world of lack of content. At the rate you can produce content you will have DUST on the level of BF3. That's great but BF4 will have been out for 2 years by then. Your guys are innovative but cannot keep up with the market. Once games like Destiny are released you will have been surpassed. Keep your core guys here with respec flexibility. Give new players hope that after they get a handle on the game and know what they like a respec to get the player they now know they want is only $10 away.

Show your support if you agree! Lets keep this on the front page. A daily reminder on what most people want and not the few vocal fanboys fear.

A couple of things that annoy me while I'm at it. When I look at a guns stats and guns range is listed in all other FPSs. Also names of the map you are about to play are in other FPSs. I get you love to be different but these are some glaring and obvious items that are just a few reasons I didn't think CCP was worthy of my money.

Why is Democracy a great way to lead? Freedom! Give us the freedom to respec and cash in!

Lust Out!

Frankly... it'd make more sense to give everyone an option respec every new build (IE: Chromosome -> Uprising) that way if new content comes out that people are excited for or you've gotten tired of playing your role, you can put in a ticket within the first couple of weeks of the build, then get your skills / skill points unallocated and try something new.

OP, many of the most adamant anti-respec sentiments come from Eve Online players who view Dust as another way to play Eve. No matter what you say they are going to argue against it. It's chic to them to bet 10 years solely on the potential of Dust, because it's a badge of honor to them to have banked on Eve, stayed through it all, and in their minds won.

Some will even go so far as to threaten to quit Eve Online or incite in game riots if CCP does anything to Dust of which they disapprove. It's a culture clash and no one knows just what the future holds for Dust other then a long and rocky road.

I know and get what you are saying. U summed up very eloquently my use of the word fanboy. Would just love a response from CCP to settle it once and for all. Ill bump this daily until an actual CCP response is made and not a troll post as some CCP employees love to do

Posted at 17.05.2013 17:04 by GM Grave
Hello,

This response is being sent to all users who have filed a support ticket in order to request a skill respec.

We would like to acknowledge receipt of your skill respect request and inform you that we have now flagged your account for a skill respec .

The skill respec will be applied to your characters in the coming days once we have completed and deployed changes to the skill tree. This one time respec will remove and refund all ISK and skill points that have been applied to date. Please ensure that due care is taken when spending skills and ISK as we will be unable to reverse ISK/SP spending in future.

If you wish to discuss issues that have not been addressed in this skill respec response, or believe you have received this message in error then please respond to this support ticket and we will attempt to address your issue.

Please accept my sincere apologies for any inconvenience this may have caused.

Please note that if you are receiving this message you are currently in a queue for a skill respec. Eligible customers who may have been misfiled and would like to request an Aurum account reset should respond to this ticket clarifying their request.

Regards,
Lead GM Grave
CCP Customer Relations | EVE Online | DUST 514

Malkai I think you guys may be reading too much into that. I think there will be respecs after the racials come out. Just you wait. It will help revitalize a failing game

Neither of us can possibly know this so technically, yeah of course. Maybe.

I wouldn't hold my breath though. Especially since this idea has much more support from both sides of the fence and does the same thing without making the skillsystem a pointless grind.

Edit: CCP is discussing this as we speak

Sorry Lust but if they allow respecs they might as well just get rid of SP in general. (Which would be bad)

signed

Sound reasoning lol. Thought provoking! I don't follow you Ronan. Please explain

I'm interested on some numbers on this reverse sp booster. To me it simply sounds like a respec but a much more costly one. I would simply like CCP to say something like "payable respecs would eliminate much of our booster money and we don't feel it will make as much as the boosters will. "

Sometimes I wonder if some of you fanboys so adamantly opposed to respecs are employees of CCP hired to help convince the masses.
Just a comment from CCP would eliminate this arguement for me. I understand this is a free to play game. I get CCP needs to make their money. I'm assuming most of their income is from active and passive boosters. Respecs may eliminate the need to get boosters but putting a time limit on how often you can do it or possibly make each following respec more expensive, would IMO keep boosters as a viable option.

I'm going to ignore your repeated ad hominem remarks for the sake of the argument this time.

Have a read here for why respecs call the SP system as a whole into question (also read everything from Cross Atu on this subject if you want more insight on the other side of the fence.

In a nutshell: The fixed nature of the skillsystem is not a bad byproduct of CCPs warped mind but the central aspect that makes it do what it's supposed to do. Add respecs (for example as by your proposition) and it can no longer serve this functionality and is basically degraded into solely a dull ginding. Of course it is already a grind. But without respecs there's more to it (wether you feel that the implications are good or bad is another question of which the answer i already know).

With respecs, on the other hand, there's not. All what is left is a system that enables pubstomping.

I read your post. Don't think it would kill progression. Respec. Respec. Respec.

Any timeline CCP??

Why? Explain yourself.[...]

+1 OP

CCP breaks things as often as they fix it.

I didn't expect my role to get 'nerfed'. It wasn't even on the chopping block.
If we can spec out of broken things, it would give them good server data to see what things we don't like.

Hey remember this?So every argument has to go into great detail and requires explanation unless you're the one uttering it?

Also, progression was only one of the points i tried to raise.

Excuse the insolence but i find the degree of intellectual dishonesty that i see on your part outright staggering.

I have no problem debating with you. I just asked those whom simply disagreed with Respec to say why. It's a simple request. Continue trying to get a rise out of my by insulting me though. It's working

Sometimes I wonder if some of you fanboys so adamantly opposed to respecs are employees of CCP hired to help convince the masses.

Respecs wouldn't kill skill progression. I read your post as it is what you linked. What I gathered from it is that you think no one will have to play the game anymore to get SP because they can simply respec when they are bored. Sure that may be true but that is why I suggest a limit to how often one can respec.

If you respec into heavy and enjoy the game again for another month, possibly buying boosters during that time, Great for you and CCP. My arguement is due to the lack of content it is too easy to get bored playing this. The game becomes a job and less fun. People simply log on and grind their SP and when capped they quit.

There is a reason I can usually crush everyone on Tuesday and get crushed on Wednesday. The good players are no longer playing after they cap out. It has become a job. To reinject FUN into this I think respecs would do that. When your bored instead of grinding for months just to get the proto suit and weapon you want you can respec and again enjoy the game. Isn't that the point.

Before you butcher my proto arguement I think we can all admit after CCP bought all of our assets and we all have the large bankroll, only proto suits are acceptable.

I have no problem debating with you. I just asked those whom simply disagreed with Respec to say why. It's a simple request. Continue trying to get a rise out of my by insulting me though. It's working

[...]Economic impact is one reason I am against it. We don't have an economy now, but when it does come along the respecs will hurt market speculators and traders who devoted months or a whole year doing their research on key market trends.[...]

I'd like to stress this part. People underestimate the potential impact of fully fledged trading once it's there.

The market will be the strongest connection between eve and dust. To finally get eve players on board for this project they need a way to make ISK out of us and manipulate this part of the universe. As stated, analyzing trends, specialising in groups of products and speculation require a somewhat stable economic environment to work in.

Cutting off the supply of certain items eve side for strategic effects dust side will be a real thing, as will the fueling/causing of wars solely for the purpose of raising demand for more weapons be.

Respecs would allow whole corps to switch their fitting paradigm to whatever is cheap/available, thus granting them an advantage that, in the case of AUR respecs would have been paid for with real money.

No respecs at all please, not ever. New weapon or suit added? Train for it.

@Long

There are many ways to bring in more players without the need of the respec. The respec after all is not the end-all-be-all of game development.

A trade window for starters. We have ISK transfers, why not give us player-to-player window trading?

A small industrial part of DUST like salvaging parts and harvesting minerals that can be used to produce items for personal use or for selling.

PVE mission running. I want to see those rogue drones come at me. I can take them on with my knife.

Exploration. You have to admit. Don't you feel curious what is beyond the red line?

Ability to customize the placement of structures and installations in planetary conquest. This sounds like something that can be done sooner rather than soon.

Fighters. I like to see this now.

Give DUST players who go into factional warfare some loyalty points and access to faction loot.

Give players the ability to invite other players into their merc quarters or at least give us access to a corp office to commingle in.

Give players the ability to switch stations and move between systems without having to go into battle.

Better tutorials.

Get rid of the entire red zone surrounding the terrain during factional warfare or PC battles.

I'd like to stress this part. People underestimate the potential impact of fully fledged trading once it's there.

The market will be the strongest connection between eve and dust. To finally get eve players on board for this project they need a way to make ISK out of us and manipulate this part of the universe. As stated, analyzing trends, specialising in groups of products and speculation require a somewhat stable economic environment to work in.

Cutting off the supply of certain items eve side for strategic effects dust side will be a real thing, as will the fueling/causing of wars solely for the purpose of raising demand for more weapons be.

Respecs would allow whole corps to switch their fitting paradigm to whatever is cheap/available, thus granting them an advantage that, in the case of AUR respecs would have been paid for with real money.

Name the maps and tell me what map I'm going to be playing on.

List the range of the weapons in the attributes

The rest of the racial suits

Use common sense when balancing weapons. Ars shouldn't shoot as far as tacsand lasers. Scrambler rifle should be near the Same statistically as ars

Matchmaking

Game modes based on meta levels

Mak there are tons of things CCP can do to bring in more players. But instead of updates on what is coming and estimates in when it will arrive we get trolled with "Soon TM"

This just adds to the frustration. Either tell us what's going on or say nothing at all. Have the public vote on what should be prioritized to a point

How are proposed negative impacts applicable if we don't even have an ETA for when the player driven economy is going to be implemented. Also you know little about just how the economy will function. You've transplanted anti-respec arguments from Eve Online and applied them to Dust. What if the economy of Dust is strictly selling and buying items? Your theory revolves around their being a manufactoring industrial sector. What if it never exists. Everything regarding the economics of Dusts is guesswork and speculation at this point.


This amounts to little more then, "As an Eve Online player, I need to be able to control how Dust 514 players play Dust." This is an amazing idea if you want droves of Dust players to quit.

CCP did say that industry for DUST is already in the list of what to do in the near future.

"Near future" meaning what exactly?

Yeah, the core mechanics are more important right now. If CCP can address the constant disconnects and hit detection issues, many more players can come back and more than likely stay. But a little more content at the same time is not asking for much.

Knowing CCP, I would say six months to a year from now. And that's just me being overly optimistic. But that is a full grown industry we are talking here. It would not hurt to get a least a bare bones form of industry right now to get us started.

Yeah, the core mechanics are more important right now. If CCP can address the constant disconnects and hit detection issues, many more players can come back and more than likely stay. But a little more content at the same time is not asking for much.

So now people would respec into what is cheap as opposed to FOTM?

We can't even get new maps let alone a player market. Guys who play eve have become conditioned to Soon tm. You are not the people CCP needs to impress if they want dust to become AAA and compete with the big boys. They may share the universe but this isn't eve. I want dust to succeed but unless their goal is only 50000 active players they need to make some changes to appease the masses. Yes I am referring to everyone whom plays cod and bf3. All those blubbering idiots you don't want in your game. If things continue the way they have been you will be playing the same corps everyday with no influx of new players. Of the 30 people I played with everyday on bf3 I am the only one to grab this game and actually stayed and continued to play. Some of those guys played the game less time then it took to download. And this was during chromosome. A build i would consider is more fun than uprising.

Lets switch gears. I get you don't want respecs. What things should CCP do immediately to make this game more popular. By popular I mean getting people to come (which uprising did) but stay (which sadly it didn't)? Please don't give me the simple soon response. I would hope even the biggest fanboys (which you clearly are) can still be critical.

I'm looking for a fun game. And fun that lasts. I think respecs would do that. I played bf3 for almost 18months straight everyday. I put in 1000 hours. It was $80 well spent. I became bored of dust 3.5 months after I started. And that's with 2 respecs. The lack of content can be saved with respecs. It may hurt other aspects of the game but those things are not in the game. I would give a little if respecs were allowed until the rest of the scout and heavy racials were put out.
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How are proposed negative impacts applicable if we don't even have an ETA for when the player driven economy is going to be implemented. Also you know little about just how the economy will function. You've transplanted anti-respec arguments from Eve Online and applied them to Dust. What if the economy of Dust is strictly selling and buying items? Your theory revolves around their being a manufactoring industrial sector. What if it never exists. Everything regarding the economics of Dusts is guesswork and speculation at this point.


This amounts to little more then, "As an Eve Online player, I need to be able to control how Dust 514 players play Dust." This is an amazing idea if you want droves of Dust players to quit.

not reading all of this thread because it is just about 16mil sp mercs that already had their respecs arguing for no more respecs while people with 7mil or less wanting to fix their mistakes/experimenting/noob spent sp

Stop Boredom! Allow AUR Respecs every 90 days!

not reading all of this thread because it is just about 16mil sp mercs that already had their respecs arguing for no more respecs while people with 7mil or less wanting to fix their mistakes/experimenting/noob spent sp

If those basic economic dynamics can't take place and there will be no production, at the very least eve side then this feature will be pretty much a dull "trade window" and the most significant eve <=> dust connection will be severed.

This would be completely unacceptable for me and i think for everyone at CCP aswell. The points i stated are not too far fetched and i fully expect them to be implemented in the future if not all at the same time.

You will also be able to influence the way eve players play their game: Boycott arms dealers that don't want to trade by your preferred conditions or take their districts and you will be amazed by how quickly they can offer you a better deal.

I thank you for the compliment.

I have 4.5 mil SP.

Sir, do you want to know why I say no respecs?

Two things.

One. Then all the real 16 mil toons will spec into CalLogis dual wielding core godlocks, with full shield tanking.

Two. If DUSTers get a respec, don't you think that EVE players will whine for a respec?

You and respecs, sheesh.

CCP has said this number able times.

No more respecs. Ever.

Just save SP once you have the role you want.

No need for respecs. This isn't CoD. You will never find that prestige mode button.

This is a game for those that want to collect tears. You don't play the game to play the game. You play the game to have a serious impact on another's play.

This is the console version of EVE, no matter how much you wanna say their so different.

Hell, they play on the same server!

You still didn't answer the underlined question of how the yet to be released, future economy of Dust is a valid downside for respecs in the present. All you said was how you want the economy to function and that you believe CCP agrees.

The conceptualization of all your ideas is centered around the notion that CCP designed Dust solely for Eve Online players or those with a similar mentiality. The fact they choose to release a free to play, FP lobby shooter at launch and have not through all beta verisons not introduced any other gameplay elements, disagrees with that notion.

Simply by being a FP lobby shooter a company is choosing to compete with game franchises like Call of Duty and Battlefield. They'll be compared and contrasted by both reviewers and gamers as such. Also F2P business models cannot by their revenue gain nature support a total niche gameplay expierence. They require a steady stream of new players willing to purchase in game items to sustain themselves. This is why the most offer an enchanced expierence via gameplay or rewards to those who recruit fellow players to play with them.

The truth is that Dust is a middle ground. It's not trying to captialize on a just niche player demographic. CCP would have never choosen a free to play, first person lobby shooter as the core and persistent gameplay if that were the case.

Respec! Respec!

This is great and all. How about an ETA? And it's merely a way to charge much much more money for a respec

The only Logi that gets two weapons slots is the PRO Amarr. For reference most players who do dual wield Core Flaylocks do so with the Minmatar Assualt to take advantage of having 4 shots in each.

Pay 2 win can't be argued here if you limit how often you can respec. Allowing them for isk is absurd. This game is here to make money. Not because CCP just really likes us.

Technically the idea suggested is not a normal respec. If you read the details carefully you will see that the idea suggests slowly unallocating SP over a period of time while the passive SP gain is disabled. This forces you to lose precious time that could have been spent gaining that passive SP.

Also, an idea was recently suggested on that thread that the skill back booster should cause some loss of SP that you already gained when using it.

CCP Cmdr Wang said they are looking into it.

all of you "no respec" guys are going to be the reason this game has an epic fail because this game is missing about 3/4 of its basic content, the weapon balance, the dropsuit balance, and core issues aren't even fixed.

1. When i say basic content I mean all of the racial variants for suits, weapons, and vehicles
2. Weapon balance just surf the forums for OP Nerf or Buff
3. Dropsuit balance see heavy suit and light suit
4. Core gameplay just play the game in a section where there are like 12 people in close proximity.
5. Core gameplay is also things like game modes right now we have 2 (oms is still just ambush and domination is skirmish with 1 point)
6. Lack of a player market and PVE

And you say there isn't a need for a respec system I say if people want to pay real money for a respec let them do so until all of the basic content is here

My personal opinion on this is such I think everyone should be entitled to a respec once all of the racial variants are here end of or you should be entitled to one every 7 million sp you earn this basically mean that every time you earn 7 million sp you have the option of buying a respec for 7 million isk

(This post is not in favor of any type of respec except involving balance changes to weapons/dropsuits)

I believe now that if you spend your SP wisely you don't need to worry about a respec. Start out getting Proto in a suit type that you like. Pick a weapon that you know how to use and your personal favorite for your class type. Side arm if your not a Logi like me.

CORE UPGRADES ARE VITAL! Get those then all you gotta do is save SP for the future suits and weapons.
Things like Electronics, Power grid and anything that increases your suits abilities passively.
Proto type Light Weapons cost 620,000 or so Sp not including Proficiency.

A new Prototype suit in a different race or Frame than you are cost about 1.5mill or so SP

Once you have all the core things then you'll only have to worry about those two things.
Being a Logi I already have a ton of points into things like Repair tools and Nanites.

Now on another note...
When they make changes to a dropsuit or weapon they should give back the SP you put into the Dropsuit or weapon.
I chose Caldari Logistics because well it's Caldari and that's the race I like the most. If(When) they nerf it I expect my SP back because I didn't know I was going to be fed to the lion when I chose that suit.
I chose the AR because it's a good weapon with multiple variants and am using it until the Caldari Rail Rifle comes out.

Now on the post from a long time ago.

You've already posted it Lust. The sales on Boosters would be gone. Once you have 10million + SP you don't really need anymore if you can Respec and pick a new suit/weapons.

The way it is now you can save SP for the future in hopes that something simply awesome will come out. Like MTAC's or Caldari heavy/scout.

Oh and with vehicles whom I believe have been thoroughly screwed for sometime because they don't have any variants for the Amarr/Mini. What are they supposed to do just get all the passive skills and drive a Charybidis around while they wait for their favorite races vehicle variants.

If a time limit on how often a respec is available is used I don't think it will kill the booster market. Some people are just using boosters just to say they have the most SP. I know plenty of people who don't buy boosters anymore because they have lots of SP like you suggest. How will CCP get more cash out of them?? Respecs perhaps?

Now I've been gnawing on this idea, provided it costs ALOT of AUR, it's not totally bad...

You expect a respec when they nerf the Caldari Logi. If we can't get respecs for AUR they won't hand them out with the Nerf Bat. I'm in the same boat as you will probably be. I love the laser. We all can admit it was useless when Uprising dropped. So I didn't spec into Amar Assualt Suits or Lasers. No without the glow they can at least kill again though still the most underwhelming weapon in the game. But instead of a respec i'm told I need to grind 3.8 mil sp to get proto lasers and proto suits.

I wouldn't be complaining if we actually had input from CCP becuase then we would have some idea on what may be changed and how. But They can nerf something into oblivion whenever they want and we have to grin and bear it. We are told to save SP, buy boosters and HTFU.

One has to consider that the Viziam pretty much asked to be nerfed in some way or the other. We can all agree that the amount of changes was way to high and that communication concerning game design and balance has been atrocious in the past but that brings me to my first question (i kinda like this idea).

Do you think it is possible for CCP to improve their methods of balancing in such a way that the act of balancing only goes as far as needed without always breaking formerly reasonable, non FOTM builds en masse?

With regards to the topic: Can you agree to the notion that a reasonable amount of required balance changes that preserve the viability of affected items is a natural part of game design and does not justify a respec on its own?

Oh and add a "is properly communicated in advance with community feedback taken into consideration in an open and sincere way" to either question. I think you'll agree how important that is.

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Malkai - do you think a respec is in order after the racial scouts, heavies, and original vehicles of Uprising is needed

BY GOD IF WE CAN BREAK ONE WE CAN BREAK THEM ALL!!

Whats alot of AUR?? $10 worth :)

Hmm...

15$

I'll pay $15. Probably only on my main. Heck if they gave us all a respec after all the vehicle/scout/heavy racials were out I would probably drop the respec arguement all together. But the fact that they say your choices matter when not all the orginal base choices are available is stupid.

When new suits come out or new guns, I agree, no need for a respec. But we didn't even get all the heavies and scouts. Simply not fair.

Those suggesting that only the SP be reallocated in the scouts/heavy, I don't agree with this.

THis is for you Malkai. Some people play this game and Roleplay. Lets say they wanted to be a Minmatar heavy and no damn way would they be Amarr so they specced into Minmatar Logi because no ETA on new heavy suits has been announced. Now if we only give back SP in heavy this guy would get screwed because he wanted to RP. Not fair. So a ONE TIME respec should be allowed after the vehicle/heavy/scout racials are out.

Any amount of respecs for aurum will be considered pay 2 win.


I suggest either once every 3 months you can get a respec for 10 million isk. then becoming 20 million isk than 30 million, all the way up to 50 million.

Or every 6 months you can opt for a respec no isk no aurum it's just an option.

Join the Revolution all you Caldari Logis!

Malkai. Please respond to my point on Roleplayers a few post up

Having played EVE since 2009, here is what I see.

When CCP releases new content, they release content for all races. When Tech 3 ships came out, it wasnt only for Caldari and Gallente capsuleers. All races had theirs. Same thing when destroyers and battlecruisers came out. And faction battlecruisers. The list goes on. When new content comes out, all 4 races have something to play with.

Lore wise, there might be discrepancy on who built it first (Caldari made the first freighter, and then the other races followed their example) but when it comes to the gameplay itself, no race had a ship type all to its own. All four races have equivalent (not in performance, but in style) frigates, destroyers, cruisers, battlecruisers, battleships, capitals, etc. The different tiers may perform differently, yes. For example, one does not fly the Abaddon (Amarr tier 3 bs) the same way you fly the Rokh (Caldari tier 3 bs) but in the end, every race has the same amount of options as the others in a given category.

Dust does not have this. There isn't a Minmatar tank, or an Amarr dropship. The symmetry that EVE has hasn't carried over to Dust yet. The idea in EVE is that every race has a ship for a given category, but they perform differently based on their race. All races have 1 version of the destroyer, but the Caldari one is specced for missiles, while the Amarr one has bonuses for lasers, and the Minmatar one is set up for autocannons. Caldari destroyer is made to shield tank, but the Amarr one is armor tanked (Yes, I know you don't REALLY tank destroyers in EVE, but the point I'm making stands.) But Dust is severely lacking in this department, with all vehicles being limited to two races, and heavy suits being limited to a single race!

There should not be a respec for Aurum, regardless of the time frame between them, because that DOES lead to FOTM play, which EVE isn't about. A respec every patch isn't good, because EVE doesn't give you a respec every patch. However, CCP should focus on giving all the races an equivalent item (dropsuit, vehicle, etc.) for all categories, and then do a ONE TIME skill respec so that players can then spec into what they would have if the option had been presented when it should have been anyway. If after the respec, you dropped your sp into Minmatar heavy dropsuits, but then Gallente turned out to be OP/Minmatar is UP/Caldari is more your playstyle, then tough-*****. EVE is about accepting consquences of your actions, but at least you had the option to choose Caldari or Minmatar or Gallente, even if you ended up going Minmatar and regretting it. If CCP has presented me with a wimpy-ass salad and a nasty platter of tofu to eat, then came out with a pile of amazing bacon after I'm 3/4 into the tofu and said too bad, I picked the tofu so I have to finish it, I'd be pretty pissed. At least if I had all three options presented to me from the get-go they would have a valid point in telling me too bad if I went with tofu and then decided I really wanted the bacon instead.

TL;DR Don't give us new types of vehicles and dropsuits until each race has an option for the categories already established, and give us a ONE TIME respec ONLY WHEN this condition has been met.

Playing, response will be edited in later.
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The problem i have with a fixed date one time respec has been explained earlier so i'll try and keep it short.[Edit: didn't quite work]

A single respec will solve the described issue for those players currently playing the game that are missing their preferred racial variant. It will not solve the very same issue for everyone that might join the game in a year or two, based on the reasonable assumption that racially symmetric content releases will not be a reality in the near future.

Based on my opinion that respecs are potentionally harmfull to the game, a solution that involves respecs needs to be future proof for the issue it tries to address to provide an acceptable harm/benefit ratio. A fixed date one time respec is not future proof and thus does not provide an acceptable harm/benefit ratio.

This does apply to RPers aswell. A respec now would be unfair to those who specced into e.g. gallente heavies while they actually wanted the gallente MTAC but couldn't because only the amarr MTAC is currently available and won't get a respec because they missed an arbitrary date at which point respec are no longer an option. The date didn't change their situation at all and is as unfair as a "no respec" approach.

Have a look a few posts earlier for a way to fix this issue that i find worth a second thought.

There is no need to cater to those waiting for a racial variant for something that wasn't in the game at "launch" it was up to CCP to decide what was at launch and there should have been all racial variants accounted for. When we get those variants a respec is necessary.

Then in the future only drop content that has all racial variants accounted for. I hear this is what eve does. Wonder why dust isn't the same?

I'm not reading all these pages of thread. Just suffice to say Planetside 1 allowed respecs for free every 24hours and the game was better for it. People got to try everything and ultimately settle on what they liked. It also added longevity to the game because old players could always try something new. I want naysayers to point to a game where respecs actually hurt the community or else abandon their baseless critism of change.

Aurum respecs will only help dust. /signed

Any amount of respecs for aurum will be considered pay 2 win.


I suggest either once every 3 months you can get a respec for 10 million isk. then becoming 20 million isk than 30 million, all the way up to 50 million.

Or every 6 months you can opt for a respec no isk no aurum it's just an option.

There is no need to cater to those waiting for a racial variant for something that wasn't in the game at "launch" it was up to CCP to decide what was at launch and there should have been all racial variants accounted for. When we get those variants a respec is necessary.

Then in the future only drop content that has all racial variants accounted for. I hear this is what eve does. Wonder why dust isn't the same?

Eve refunds the SP for the affected skills and allows you to skill with them wherever you please.

Similar to when they changed the skill multipliers for dropsuits.

**** the fanboys. This game gets dull. I want respecs like every other mmorpg ever.

I am not aware of this ever happening besides learning skills which have been removed completely, not changed. Please provide a source for this.

And of course they will unallocate the surplus SP when the skill in question gets its multiplier lowered. Should the difference just vanish instead?