Now on the post from a long time ago.

You've already posted it Lust. The sales on Boosters would be gone. Once you have 10million + SP you don't really need anymore if you can Respec and pick a new suit/weapons.

The way it is now you can save SP for the future in hopes that something simply awesome will come out. Like MTAC's or Caldari heavy/scout.

Oh and with vehicles whom I believe have been thoroughly screwed for sometime because they don't have any variants for the Amarr/Mini. What are they supposed to do just get all the passive skills and drive a Charybidis around while they wait for their favorite races vehicle variants.

If a time limit on how often a respec is available is used I don't think it will kill the booster market. Some people are just using boosters just to say they have the most SP. I know plenty of people who don't buy boosters anymore because they have lots of SP like you suggest. How will CCP get more cash out of them?? Respecs perhaps?

Now I've been gnawing on this idea, provided it costs ALOT of AUR, it's not totally bad...

You expect a respec when they nerf the Caldari Logi. If we can't get respecs for AUR they won't hand them out with the Nerf Bat. I'm in the same boat as you will probably be. I love the laser. We all can admit it was useless when Uprising dropped. So I didn't spec into Amar Assualt Suits or Lasers. No without the glow they can at least kill again though still the most underwhelming weapon in the game. But instead of a respec i'm told I need to grind 3.8 mil sp to get proto lasers and proto suits.

I wouldn't be complaining if we actually had input from CCP becuase then we would have some idea on what may be changed and how. But They can nerf something into oblivion whenever they want and we have to grin and bear it. We are told to save SP, buy boosters and HTFU.

One has to consider that the Viziam pretty much asked to be nerfed in some way or the other. We can all agree that the amount of changes was way to high and that communication concerning game design and balance has been atrocious in the past but that brings me to my first question (i kinda like this idea).

Do you think it is possible for CCP to improve their methods of balancing in such a way that the act of balancing only goes as far as needed without always breaking formerly reasonable, non FOTM builds en masse?

With regards to the topic: Can you agree to the notion that a reasonable amount of required balance changes that preserve the viability of affected items is a natural part of game design and does not justify a respec on its own?

Oh and add a "is properly communicated in advance with community feedback taken into consideration in an open and sincere way" to either question. I think you'll agree how important that is.

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Malkai - do you think a respec is in order after the racial scouts, heavies, and original vehicles of Uprising is needed

BY GOD IF WE CAN BREAK ONE WE CAN BREAK THEM ALL!!

Whats alot of AUR?? $10 worth :)

Hmm...

15$

I'll pay $15. Probably only on my main. Heck if they gave us all a respec after all the vehicle/scout/heavy racials were out I would probably drop the respec arguement all together. But the fact that they say your choices matter when not all the orginal base choices are available is stupid.

When new suits come out or new guns, I agree, no need for a respec. But we didn't even get all the heavies and scouts. Simply not fair.

Those suggesting that only the SP be reallocated in the scouts/heavy, I don't agree with this.

THis is for you Malkai. Some people play this game and Roleplay. Lets say they wanted to be a Minmatar heavy and no damn way would they be Amarr so they specced into Minmatar Logi because no ETA on new heavy suits has been announced. Now if we only give back SP in heavy this guy would get screwed because he wanted to RP. Not fair. So a ONE TIME respec should be allowed after the vehicle/heavy/scout racials are out.

Any amount of respecs for aurum will be considered pay 2 win.


I suggest either once every 3 months you can get a respec for 10 million isk. then becoming 20 million isk than 30 million, all the way up to 50 million.

Or every 6 months you can opt for a respec no isk no aurum it's just an option.

Join the Revolution all you Caldari Logis!

Malkai. Please respond to my point on Roleplayers a few post up

Having played EVE since 2009, here is what I see.

When CCP releases new content, they release content for all races. When Tech 3 ships came out, it wasnt only for Caldari and Gallente capsuleers. All races had theirs. Same thing when destroyers and battlecruisers came out. And faction battlecruisers. The list goes on. When new content comes out, all 4 races have something to play with.

Lore wise, there might be discrepancy on who built it first (Caldari made the first freighter, and then the other races followed their example) but when it comes to the gameplay itself, no race had a ship type all to its own. All four races have equivalent (not in performance, but in style) frigates, destroyers, cruisers, battlecruisers, battleships, capitals, etc. The different tiers may perform differently, yes. For example, one does not fly the Abaddon (Amarr tier 3 bs) the same way you fly the Rokh (Caldari tier 3 bs) but in the end, every race has the same amount of options as the others in a given category.

Dust does not have this. There isn't a Minmatar tank, or an Amarr dropship. The symmetry that EVE has hasn't carried over to Dust yet. The idea in EVE is that every race has a ship for a given category, but they perform differently based on their race. All races have 1 version of the destroyer, but the Caldari one is specced for missiles, while the Amarr one has bonuses for lasers, and the Minmatar one is set up for autocannons. Caldari destroyer is made to shield tank, but the Amarr one is armor tanked (Yes, I know you don't REALLY tank destroyers in EVE, but the point I'm making stands.) But Dust is severely lacking in this department, with all vehicles being limited to two races, and heavy suits being limited to a single race!

There should not be a respec for Aurum, regardless of the time frame between them, because that DOES lead to FOTM play, which EVE isn't about. A respec every patch isn't good, because EVE doesn't give you a respec every patch. However, CCP should focus on giving all the races an equivalent item (dropsuit, vehicle, etc.) for all categories, and then do a ONE TIME skill respec so that players can then spec into what they would have if the option had been presented when it should have been anyway. If after the respec, you dropped your sp into Minmatar heavy dropsuits, but then Gallente turned out to be OP/Minmatar is UP/Caldari is more your playstyle, then tough-*****. EVE is about accepting consquences of your actions, but at least you had the option to choose Caldari or Minmatar or Gallente, even if you ended up going Minmatar and regretting it. If CCP has presented me with a wimpy-ass salad and a nasty platter of tofu to eat, then came out with a pile of amazing bacon after I'm 3/4 into the tofu and said too bad, I picked the tofu so I have to finish it, I'd be pretty pissed. At least if I had all three options presented to me from the get-go they would have a valid point in telling me too bad if I went with tofu and then decided I really wanted the bacon instead.

TL;DR Don't give us new types of vehicles and dropsuits until each race has an option for the categories already established, and give us a ONE TIME respec ONLY WHEN this condition has been met.

Playing, response will be edited in later.
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The problem i have with a fixed date one time respec has been explained earlier so i'll try and keep it short.[Edit: didn't quite work]

A single respec will solve the described issue for those players currently playing the game that are missing their preferred racial variant. It will not solve the very same issue for everyone that might join the game in a year or two, based on the reasonable assumption that racially symmetric content releases will not be a reality in the near future.

Based on my opinion that respecs are potentionally harmfull to the game, a solution that involves respecs needs to be future proof for the issue it tries to address to provide an acceptable harm/benefit ratio. A fixed date one time respec is not future proof and thus does not provide an acceptable harm/benefit ratio.

This does apply to RPers aswell. A respec now would be unfair to those who specced into e.g. gallente heavies while they actually wanted the gallente MTAC but couldn't because only the amarr MTAC is currently available and won't get a respec because they missed an arbitrary date at which point respec are no longer an option. The date didn't change their situation at all and is as unfair as a "no respec" approach.

Have a look a few posts earlier for a way to fix this issue that i find worth a second thought.

There is no need to cater to those waiting for a racial variant for something that wasn't in the game at "launch" it was up to CCP to decide what was at launch and there should have been all racial variants accounted for. When we get those variants a respec is necessary.

Then in the future only drop content that has all racial variants accounted for. I hear this is what eve does. Wonder why dust isn't the same?

I'm not reading all these pages of thread. Just suffice to say Planetside 1 allowed respecs for free every 24hours and the game was better for it. People got to try everything and ultimately settle on what they liked. It also added longevity to the game because old players could always try something new. I want naysayers to point to a game where respecs actually hurt the community or else abandon their baseless critism of change.

Aurum respecs will only help dust. /signed