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Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.07.08 18:31:00 -
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CPL Bloodstone wrote:I am one who bought a veteran pack and an elite pack. I pay for boosters like everyone else. I am not always in favor of respecs either. I can see both sides. blatent respecs anytime you want is stupid and would destroy the game.
That being said, you would be in favor of someone who's build gets totally trashed like us heavies and those poor Drop ship pilot just to suffer for a few months while they rebuild their merc slowly and painfully. Sorry bro that will make tons of players just leave like they are already doing in droves. the last respec brought a lot of joy back to some players and that is why im for it with restrictions.
Folks are already playing FOTM as it is. All Tac's or all Flaylocks pick your build While perfectly understandable. This issue that many players have and will continue to have is not related to respecs as it is a balance issue first and foremost.
I think this issue should be tackled directly rather than by adding a feature that effectively nullifies the point of the skillsystem. The negative consequences of respecs go farther than just FOTM and have been layed out in several threads. I think that they outweight the benefit of merely masking the negative consequences of what in principle is a balance issue and nothing else.
I will happily support any effort to bring DS pilots and others back into the game and the recend MD fix and Tac rebalance shows that CCP is clearly on it aswell. It might just take some time until a proper solution is found for everyone. |
CPL Bloodstone
Neanderthal Nation Public Disorder.
107
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Posted - 2013.07.08 18:36:00 -
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Honestly i think they should treat respecs the same as they do with Omega boosters. Offer it for a few days and then take it off the market.
Your choices should have consequences. However, CCP directly affects those choices. For better or for the most part, the worst. |
LongLostLust
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.07.08 20:44:00 -
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I still want the ability to respec and think it should be available. Would love CCPs opinion on the matter. Has it been determined that you will make more money off boosters and chancing that some players will leave instead of grind as opposed to paying for respecs? They must have their reasoning besides live with your choices. I'm guessing that's what they say when it's simply a choice to make more money. I understand that choice I mean it is a business but I'm just curious on their thoughts |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
3143
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Posted - 2013.07.08 20:51:00 -
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LongLostLust wrote:I still want the ability to respec and think it should be available. Would love CCPs opinion on the matter. Has it been determined that you will make more money off boosters and chancing that some players will leave instead of grind as opposed to paying for respecs? They must have their reasoning besides live with your choices. I'm guessing that's what they say when it's simply a choice to make more money. I understand that choice I mean it is a business but I'm just curious on their thoughts
CCP already made it clear multiple times that respecs are no more for DUST. However they are looking into the idea of a skillback booster that was proposed not too long ago. It's not like a typical respec since the idea will only SLOWLY unallocate a set amount of SP from a selected skill book but you lose the ability to use the passive SP gain while the booster is active. The idea also suggests that if you are not careful with the booster, you lose any remaining SP from the skill book. |
SaGrOvYbOy
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
0
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Posted - 2013.07.08 21:24:00 -
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The fact that the game is still so far from being complete is that main reason that at least one respec should happen at some point. People were expected to make a choice of what path to take without actually knowing what was down any of them. I'm a perfect example of this fact. I went Amarr Logi when i really liked the idea of being Gallente logi purely because i didnt want to deal with the speed drop from armor plating. Now that the new plates are out i would love to be Gallente logi but its an insane amount of SP waste on a suit to switch over. Sure getting into a Gallente logi suit isnt that bad but we all know if youre going into PC you need proto gear. That means its going to cost 2.7 million SP to get a proto Gallente logi while if someone just wants to spec into the new items its only 700k to do so. Thats insanely unbalanced and causes the first side to have 2.7 mil wasted on a dropsuit they dont want to use while the second gets new plates plus can also still use whatever mods they were previous spec'd into.
I'm fine with the idea that you make choices and live with the consequences in New Eden but to not have any idea what the consequences are is a poor way to do things. Sure Dust is a game where there will always be new things added but we arent even to the point where all the basic things are established in order for people to really make informed choices that have incredibly long lasting effects. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1020
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Posted - 2013.07.08 22:00:00 -
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SaGrOvYbOy wrote:The fact that the game is still so far from being complete is that main reason that at least one respec should happen at some point. People were expected to make a choice of what path to take without actually knowing what was down any of them. I'm a perfect example of this fact. I went Amarr Logi when i really liked the idea of being Gallente logi purely because i didnt want to deal with the speed drop from armor plating. Now that the new plates are out i would love to be Gallente logi but its an insane amount of SP waste on a suit to switch over. Sure getting into a Gallente logi suit isnt that bad but we all know if youre going into PC you need proto gear. That means its going to cost 2.7 million SP to get a proto Gallente logi while if someone just wants to spec into the new items its only 700k to do so. Thats insanely unbalanced and causes the first side to have 2.7 mil wasted on a dropsuit they dont want to use while the second gets new plates plus can also still use whatever mods they were previous spec'd into.
I'm fine with the idea that you make choices and live with the consequences in New Eden but to not have any idea what the consequences are is a poor way to do things. Sure Dust is a game where there will always be new things added but we arent even to the point where all the basic things are established in order for people to really make informed choices that have incredibly long lasting effects.
There is no such thing as complete when it comes to Dust. There never will be.
Respecs are over. |
Baby Boom-Boom
Kite Co. Couriers
0
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Posted - 2013.07.09 01:57:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:
The 'incomplete' argument is one of the few reasonable arguments that can be brought into play. My only counter to that is lore based. The clone mercenary business is new and the megacorporations of New Eden are just now getting around to providing the products. Everybody gets access to the new products at the same time. I don't know of a good lore based reason of removing knowledge of one system and replacing it with another so you're instantly an expert. I'm fairly dedicated to Minmatar based tech and it's irritating that I have to learn other racial systems for now but I am and will adapt when I can go full Minmatar.
Well, I guess if they wanted to chalk it up to lore reasons, I couldn't really argue against it. It would still bother me on some level though. I know the game will never be complete. I get that much. I play Eve and that's not ever complete either. There just needs to be a more solid jumping off point and, as far as I'm concerned, what we have now leaves a lot to be desired. I say just finish racial symmetry for the caegories we have now, toss out one final respec, and that should be that.
If CCP is so hellbent on preserving the same hardcore philosophy that resides in Eve and transplanting into Dust, I think Dust should at least be given the same treatment. Either give us the same racial symmetry that resides in Eve in order to satisfy all playstyles or just give us the respecs.
Again, I'm fine with "living with my choices." I play Eve. I've been living with every dumb choice I make in that games for years now. However, I felt like every dumb choice regarding skills in that game were my fault. Here, I can't even really say I'm making a dumb choice regarding skills because I don't even have the whole picture.
And because someone will undoubtedly take this the wrong way, I am not advocating respecs each and every time something new comes or something changes. I'm just saying that until CCP can provide a consistent level of racial symmetry (i.e. when X vehicle class is released, a variant is released for each race), nothing should be considered permanent. |
LongLostLust
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.07.09 16:15:00 -
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Daily bump. Still think it would give this game a much needed boost |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
2279
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Posted - 2013.07.09 17:08:00 -
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LongLostLust wrote:This game doesn't have enough content to keep the masses interested. I am only back playing after a month hiatus. A hiatus chosen by me due to boredom. To keep this game fresh respecing into different suits/weapons is much needed. I propose a respec available for $10 worth of AUR. I'm not suggesting if you are allowed to respec Jan 1 and don't use it you can use one mid March and then again on April 1. If you buy one and use it a 90 day waiting period is mandatory before another is available.
Forget the OP arguement and the FOTM one too. It's rediculous. You need DUST to be self sufficient and not leach funds off of EVE. All those arguement are from fanboys whom want this game to be EVE.
I haven't spent a dime on this game and have been here since day 1 of open beta, but I would definitely buy respecs and probably for multiple characters. I get that it may dip into booster sales but only the hardcore players buy boosters and would continue to do so. You have a wealth of untapped $ just waiting for you.
This would keep people playing in your world of lack of content. At the rate you can produce content you will have DUST on the level of BF3. That's great but BF4 will have been out for 2 years by then. Your guys are innovative but cannot keep up with the market. Once games like Destiny are released you will have been surpassed. Keep your core guys here with respec flexibility. Give new players hope that after they get a handle on the game and know what they like a respec to get the player they now know they want is only $10 away.
Show your support if you agree! Lets keep this on the front page. A daily reminder on what most people want and not the few vocal fanboys fear.
A couple of things that annoy me while I'm at it. When I look at a guns stats and guns range is listed in all other FPSs. Also names of the map you are about to play are in other FPSs. I get you love to be different but these are some glaring and obvious items that are just a few reasons I didn't think CCP was worthy of my money.
Why is Democracy a great way to lead? Freedom! Give us the freedom to respec and cash in!
Lust Out! Pay-to-Win. |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
565
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Posted - 2013.07.09 17:11:00 -
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LongLostLust wrote:Daily bump. Still think it would give this game a much needed boost And you still failed to provide any compelling argument for this thought of yours.
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LongLostLust
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
47
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:34:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:LongLostLust wrote:Daily bump. Still think it would give this game a much needed boost And you still failed to provide any compelling argument for this thought of yours. The ability to respec every 90 days keeps the ge fresh for vets. Is convenient for new players after they figured out how they want to play. When the rest of the racial suits come out a tespec should be allowed for all. To tell someone they should be saving their SP indefinitely in hopes CCP will add the other racials is ludicrous. Wih no ETA on new suits. How long do you expect them to wait.
Instead we get new suits altogether, commando, and still don't have the other racial. Does that make the slightest bit of sense? |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
2346
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:48:00 -
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LongLostLust wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:LongLostLust wrote:Daily bump. Still think it would give this game a much needed boost And you still failed to provide any compelling argument for this thought of yours. The ability to respec every 90 days keeps the ge fresh for vets. Is convenient for new players after they figured out how they want to play. When the rest of the racial suits come out a tespec should be allowed for all. To tell someone they should be saving their SP indefinitely in hopes CCP will add the other racials is ludicrous. Wih no ETA on new suits. How long do you expect them to wait. Instead we get new suits altogether, commando, and still don't have the other racial. Does that make the slightest bit of sense? The ONLY acceptable idea I've seen toward giving you SP back to spend somewhere else was the idea of a "reverse" booster that would allow you to earn back your SP.
Any means of instantly refunding all your SP for ISK or AURUM is unacceptable. |
LongLostLust
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:55:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:LongLostLust wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:LongLostLust wrote:Daily bump. Still think it would give this game a much needed boost And you still failed to provide any compelling argument for this thought of yours. The ability to respec every 90 days keeps the ge fresh for vets. Is convenient for new players after they figured out how they want to play. When the rest of the racial suits come out a tespec should be allowed for all. To tell someone they should be saving their SP indefinitely in hopes CCP will add the other racials is ludicrous. Wih no ETA on new suits. How long do you expect them to wait. Instead we get new suits altogether, commando, and still don't have the other racial. Does that make the slightest bit of sense? The ONLY acceptable idea I've seen toward giving you SP back to spend somewhere else was the idea of a "reverse" booster that would allow you to earn back your SP. Any means of instantly refunding all your SP for ISK or AURUM is unacceptable. Why? |
Naedeus
DUST University Ivy League
74
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:57:00 -
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Frankly... it'd make more sense to give everyone an option respec every new build (IE: Chromosome -> Uprising) that way if new content comes out that people are excited for or you've gotten tired of playing your role, you can put in a ticket within the first couple of weeks of the build, then get your skills / skill points unallocated and try something new. |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
596
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Posted - 2013.07.09 21:17:00 -
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LongLostLust wrote: The ability to respec every 90 days keeps the ge fresh for vets. Is convenient for new players after they figured out how they want to play. When the rest of the racial suits come out a tespec should be allowed for all. To tell someone they should be saving their SP indefinitely in hopes CCP will add the other racials is ludicrous. Wih no ETA on new suits. How long do you expect them to wait.
Instead we get new suits altogether, commando, and still don't have the other racial. Does that make the slightest bit of sense?
Vets usually end up using what's efficient and especially they (the vets) are already able to put some excess SP into something to fool around without penalty. You don't spend cash for a respec into something you don't know if it is competitve when you need to be competitve.
It's convenient for the new players to undo a couple weeks of erronous training. It's not so convenient for them when they realize they screwed up again and are still outmatched by the 20m vet who had the SP, and more importantly experience, to squeeze every last bit of efficiency out of his SP. For some people it's also convenient for a flight simulator to have an arcade mode. What remains is the question if the flight simulator should implement a feature that appeals to casuals when games like HAWX already suit their needs.
The problem with the "rest of the racial suits" is that meaning of the term "rest" changes with every build as there are new suits (and vehicles, we already know of at least two completely new types!) that lack racial variants. To tell players and CCP to let go of one of the core principles of New Eden just because some can't be bothered to choose from what is available is equally ludicrous, if not more so.
I don't expect them to do anything. They can choose to skill into what is available now or to reserve a portion of their SP to get a head start when new stuff gets added.
We haven't even touched yet on the destructive impact on the soon to be added player driven economy. CCP can pretty much cancel this feature if industrialists and traders are presented with an environment where demands shift dramaticly, erratically and within a few hours all the time.
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
171
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Posted - 2013.07.09 22:04:00 -
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LongLostLust wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:Any amount of respecs for aurum will be considered pay 2 win.
I suggest either once every 3 months you can get a respec for 10 million isk. then becoming 20 million isk than 30 million, all the way up to 50 million.
Or every 6 months you can opt for a respec no isk no aurum it's just an option. Pay 2 win can't be argued here if you limit how often you can respec. Allowing them for isk is absurd. This game is here to make money. Not because CCP just really likes us.
it is exactly a pay to win situation. you're talking about a respec that would be infinitely valuable for 10 million isk? that's stupid. i'll allow it for 8 bil.
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LongLostLust
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Posted - 2013.07.09 22:22:00 -
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Respecs are not pay to win. Any weapon that can be purchased that isbetterthan an isk equivalent is pay to win. Boosters are also pay to win up to a certain point. Sp is king. U |
N1ck Comeau
Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy
692
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Posted - 2013.07.09 22:24:00 -
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LongLostLust wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:Any amount of respecs for aurum will be considered pay 2 win.
I suggest either once every 3 months you can get a respec for 10 million isk. then becoming 20 million isk than 30 million, all the way up to 50 million.
Or every 6 months you can opt for a respec no isk no aurum it's just an option. Pay 2 win can't be argued here if you limit how often you can respec. Allowing them for isk is absurd. This game is here to make money. Not because CCP just really likes us. With the Metagame in place, they can't allow something as important as a respec be an only aurum option. |
LongLostLust
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Posted - 2013.07.09 22:25:00 -
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low genius wrote:LongLostLust wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:Any amount of respecs for aurum will be considered pay 2 win.
I suggest either once every 3 months you can get a respec for 10 million isk. then becoming 20 million isk than 30 million, all the way up to 50 million.
Or every 6 months you can opt for a respec no isk no aurum it's just an option. Pay 2 win can't be argued here if you limit how often you can respec. Allowing them for isk is absurd. This game is here to make money. Not because CCP just really likes us. it is exactly a pay to win situation. you're talking about a respec that would be infinitely valuable for 10 million isk? that's stupid. i'll allow it for 8 bil. Also I said a respec for isk is dumb. Check nick comeaus poste |
LongLostLust
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Posted - 2013.07.09 22:27:00 -
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N1ck Comeau wrote:LongLostLust wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:Any amount of respecs for aurum will be considered pay 2 win.
I suggest either once every 3 months you can get a respec for 10 million isk. then becoming 20 million isk than 30 million, all the way up to 50 million.
Or every 6 months you can opt for a respec no isk no aurum it's just an option. Pay 2 win can't be argued here if you limit how often you can respec. Allowing them for isk is absurd. This game is here to make money. Not because CCP just really likes us. With the Metagame in place, they can't allow something as important as a respec be an only aurum option. Why? Explain yourself. I'm not from eve and don't understand the meta game comment |
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N1ck Comeau
Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy
697
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Posted - 2013.07.09 23:02:00 -
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LongLostLust wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:LongLostLust wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:Any amount of respecs for aurum will be considered pay 2 win.
I suggest either once every 3 months you can get a respec for 10 million isk. then becoming 20 million isk than 30 million, all the way up to 50 million.
Or every 6 months you can opt for a respec no isk no aurum it's just an option. Pay 2 win can't be argued here if you limit how often you can respec. Allowing them for isk is absurd. This game is here to make money. Not because CCP just really likes us. With the Metagame in place, they can't allow something as important as a respec be an only aurum option. Why? Explain yourself. I'm not from eve and don't understand the meta game comment Better gear is the meta game. The higher the number the better the gear. Officer weapons are a ten. Militia are like a 1. With a respec option, making it so people can get that higher gear just by unspeccing something, is, unfair and provides an advantage to people who pay. If new things are added to the game i am fine with a Class wide respec. For example when the heavies get more racial varients, i want a racial heavy respec, so i can take it out of Ammar and go into what i want |
LongLostLust
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.07.10 00:49:00 -
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Here is something for you then Nick. If one class gets a respec all should get a respec. Say there is a RPer and the want to be a heavy but RP as a Minmatar. This person would never have specced Amarr heavy. So this person who wanted to be a heavy doesn't get a respec because they aren't now specced heavy. That's not fair. Respecs should be available for all if they are allowed at all |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
639
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Posted - 2013.07.10 00:55:00 -
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LongLostLust wrote:Here is something for you then Nick. If one class gets a respec all should get a respec. Say there is a RPer and the want to be a heavy but RP as a Minmatar. This person would never have specced Amarr heavy. So this person who wanted to be a heavy doesn't get a respec because they aren't now specced heavy. That's not fair. Respecs should be available for all if they are allowed at all So we can agree that respecs can not be properly limited so their negative impacts can not be properly limited either. This leaves us with two options.
"Unlimited" respecs for everyone. [ ]
No respecs for anyone. [ X ]
Glad we talked about it. CCP has made this decision ten years ago though.
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LongLostLust
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.07.10 01:16:00 -
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Lol malkai. Pathetic arguement. Good try tho. |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
641
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Posted - 2013.07.10 01:59:00 -
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LongLostLust wrote:Lol malkai. Pathetic arguement. Good try tho. I like how you had nothing to say to my lengthy earlier reply and now choose to dismiss my point as "pathetic" without any reasoning at all, again.
I guess you've already convinced yourself that you're right to the point that whatever i say will result in an insult or no response at all. That makes this discussion a waste of time.
It's fine by me, more time for other things. |
Grief PK
An Eye For An Eye AN EYE F0R AN EYE
18
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Posted - 2013.07.10 02:28:00 -
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Why not allot respecs every 24hr for AUR... you want to milk RL cash... do it for respecs and I guarantee ppl will pay. |
Aizen Intiki
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
125
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Posted - 2013.07.10 02:40:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:[ The problem with the "rest of the racial suits" is that the meaning of the term "rest" changes with every build as there will be new suits (and vehicles, we already know of at least two completely new types!) that lack racial variants. To tell players and CCP to let go of one of the core principles of New Eden just because some can't be bothered to choose from what is available is equally ludicrous, if not more so.
We are talking about missing hulls and frames. You are essentially making someone who wanted to do a role, under a specific race (Amarr pilot) But since their things weren't out, had to skill into something else. That's not fair to them. That's why partial respecs towards specific frames, turrets, hulls, and some weapons (like the PR) is reasonable.
Peace, Aizen |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
102
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Posted - 2013.07.10 02:54:00 -
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LongLostLust wrote:This game doesn't have enough content to keep the masses interested. I am only back playing after a month hiatus. A hiatus chosen by me due to boredom. To keep this game fresh respecing into different suits/weapons is much needed. I propose a respec available for $10 worth of AUR. I'm not suggesting if you are allowed to respec Jan 1 and don't use it you can use one mid March and then again on April 1. If you buy one and use it a 90 day waiting period is mandatory before another is available.
Forget the OP arguement and the FOTM one too. It's rediculous. You need DUST to be self sufficient and not leach funds off of EVE. All those arguement are from fanboys whom want this game to be EVE.
I haven't spent a dime on this game and have been here since day 1 of open beta, but I would definitely buy respecs and probably for multiple characters. I get that it may dip into booster sales but only the hardcore players buy boosters and would continue to do so. You have a wealth of untapped $ just waiting for you.
This would keep people playing in your world of lack of content. At the rate you can produce content you will have DUST on the level of BF3. That's great but BF4 will have been out for 2 years by then. Your guys are innovative but cannot keep up with the market. Once games like Destiny are released you will have been surpassed. Keep your core guys here with respec flexibility. Give new players hope that after they get a handle on the game and know what they like a respec to get the player they now know they want is only $10 away.
Show your support if you agree! Lets keep this on the front page. A daily reminder on what most people want and not the few vocal fanboys fear.
A couple of things that annoy me while I'm at it. When I look at a guns stats and guns range is listed in all other FPSs. Also names of the map you are about to play are in other FPSs. I get you love to be different but these are some glaring and obvious items that are just a few reasons I didn't think CCP was worthy of my money.
Why is Democracy a great way to lead? Freedom! Give us the freedom to respec and cash in!
Lust Out!
no, no,no and hell no..... and btw this game is part of the EVE universe whether you acknowledge it or not... if you look at the title of the game its: EVE DUST 514
and this game is far from complete big plans are ahead... your lack of patience is not an argument against this nor a justification for spamming respecs....just...no! |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
102
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Posted - 2013.07.10 03:14:00 -
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Naedeus wrote:Frankly... it'd make more sense to give everyone an option respec every new build (IE: Chromosome -> Uprising) that way if new content comes out that people are excited for or you've gotten tired of playing your role, you can put in a ticket within the first couple of weeks of the build, then get your skills / skill points unallocated and try something new.
EVE pilots face the same ordeal with the release of every expansion and they do not get a respec. mercs should not either...its not like the sp you invest ever becomes totally useless or that time and patience cant get you to where you want to be...when something is changed in a drastic manner CCP tends to give its community fair warning of the coming changes so you can adjust accordingly and/or implements a fix for the player to lesson the shock...this is enough imho. |
LongLostLust
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.07.10 13:16:00 -
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Stop Boredom! Allow AUR Respecs every 90 days!! |
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