How are proposed negative impacts applicable if we don't even have an ETA for when the player driven economy is going to be implemented. Also you know little about just how the economy will function. You've transplanted anti-respec arguments from Eve Online and applied them to Dust. What if the economy of Dust is strictly selling and buying items? Your theory revolves around their being a manufactoring industrial sector. What if it never exists. Everything regarding the economics of Dusts is guesswork and speculation at this point.


This amounts to little more then, "As an Eve Online player, I need to be able to control how Dust 514 players play Dust." This is an amazing idea if you want droves of Dust players to quit.

CCP did say that industry for DUST is already in the list of what to do in the near future.

"Near future" meaning what exactly?

Yeah, the core mechanics are more important right now. If CCP can address the constant disconnects and hit detection issues, many more players can come back and more than likely stay. But a little more content at the same time is not asking for much.

Knowing CCP, I would say six months to a year from now. And that's just me being overly optimistic. But that is a full grown industry we are talking here. It would not hurt to get a least a bare bones form of industry right now to get us started.

Yeah, the core mechanics are more important right now. If CCP can address the constant disconnects and hit detection issues, many more players can come back and more than likely stay. But a little more content at the same time is not asking for much.

So now people would respec into what is cheap as opposed to FOTM?

We can't even get new maps let alone a player market. Guys who play eve have become conditioned to Soon tm. You are not the people CCP needs to impress if they want dust to become AAA and compete with the big boys. They may share the universe but this isn't eve. I want dust to succeed but unless their goal is only 50000 active players they need to make some changes to appease the masses. Yes I am referring to everyone whom plays cod and bf3. All those blubbering idiots you don't want in your game. If things continue the way they have been you will be playing the same corps everyday with no influx of new players. Of the 30 people I played with everyday on bf3 I am the only one to grab this game and actually stayed and continued to play. Some of those guys played the game less time then it took to download. And this was during chromosome. A build i would consider is more fun than uprising.

Lets switch gears. I get you don't want respecs. What things should CCP do immediately to make this game more popular. By popular I mean getting people to come (which uprising did) but stay (which sadly it didn't)? Please don't give me the simple soon response. I would hope even the biggest fanboys (which you clearly are) can still be critical.

I'm looking for a fun game. And fun that lasts. I think respecs would do that. I played bf3 for almost 18months straight everyday. I put in 1000 hours. It was $80 well spent. I became bored of dust 3.5 months after I started. And that's with 2 respecs. The lack of content can be saved with respecs. It may hurt other aspects of the game but those things are not in the game. I would give a little if respecs were allowed until the rest of the scout and heavy racials were put out.
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How are proposed negative impacts applicable if we don't even have an ETA for when the player driven economy is going to be implemented. Also you know little about just how the economy will function. You've transplanted anti-respec arguments from Eve Online and applied them to Dust. What if the economy of Dust is strictly selling and buying items? Your theory revolves around their being a manufactoring industrial sector. What if it never exists. Everything regarding the economics of Dusts is guesswork and speculation at this point.


This amounts to little more then, "As an Eve Online player, I need to be able to control how Dust 514 players play Dust." This is an amazing idea if you want droves of Dust players to quit.

not reading all of this thread because it is just about 16mil sp mercs that already had their respecs arguing for no more respecs while people with 7mil or less wanting to fix their mistakes/experimenting/noob spent sp

Stop Boredom! Allow AUR Respecs every 90 days!

not reading all of this thread because it is just about 16mil sp mercs that already had their respecs arguing for no more respecs while people with 7mil or less wanting to fix their mistakes/experimenting/noob spent sp

If those basic economic dynamics can't take place and there will be no production, at the very least eve side then this feature will be pretty much a dull "trade window" and the most significant eve <=> dust connection will be severed.

This would be completely unacceptable for me and i think for everyone at CCP aswell. The points i stated are not too far fetched and i fully expect them to be implemented in the future if not all at the same time.

You will also be able to influence the way eve players play their game: Boycott arms dealers that don't want to trade by your preferred conditions or take their districts and you will be amazed by how quickly they can offer you a better deal.

I thank you for the compliment.

I have 4.5 mil SP.

Sir, do you want to know why I say no respecs?

Two things.

One. Then all the real 16 mil toons will spec into CalLogis dual wielding core godlocks, with full shield tanking.

Two. If DUSTers get a respec, don't you think that EVE players will whine for a respec?

You and respecs, sheesh.

CCP has said this number able times.

No more respecs. Ever.

Just save SP once you have the role you want.

No need for respecs. This isn't CoD. You will never find that prestige mode button.

This is a game for those that want to collect tears. You don't play the game to play the game. You play the game to have a serious impact on another's play.

This is the console version of EVE, no matter how much you wanna say their so different.

Hell, they play on the same server!

You still didn't answer the underlined question of how the yet to be released, future economy of Dust is a valid downside for respecs in the present. All you said was how you want the economy to function and that you believe CCP agrees.

The conceptualization of all your ideas is centered around the notion that CCP designed Dust solely for Eve Online players or those with a similar mentiality. The fact they choose to release a free to play, FP lobby shooter at launch and have not through all beta verisons not introduced any other gameplay elements, disagrees with that notion.

Simply by being a FP lobby shooter a company is choosing to compete with game franchises like Call of Duty and Battlefield. They'll be compared and contrasted by both reviewers and gamers as such. Also F2P business models cannot by their revenue gain nature support a total niche gameplay expierence. They require a steady stream of new players willing to purchase in game items to sustain themselves. This is why the most offer an enchanced expierence via gameplay or rewards to those who recruit fellow players to play with them.

The truth is that Dust is a middle ground. It's not trying to captialize on a just niche player demographic. CCP would have never choosen a free to play, first person lobby shooter as the core and persistent gameplay if that were the case.

Respec! Respec!

This is great and all. How about an ETA? And it's merely a way to charge much much more money for a respec

The only Logi that gets two weapons slots is the PRO Amarr. For reference most players who do dual wield Core Flaylocks do so with the Minmatar Assualt to take advantage of having 4 shots in each.

Pay 2 win can't be argued here if you limit how often you can respec. Allowing them for isk is absurd. This game is here to make money. Not because CCP just really likes us.

Technically the idea suggested is not a normal respec. If you read the details carefully you will see that the idea suggests slowly unallocating SP over a period of time while the passive SP gain is disabled. This forces you to lose precious time that could have been spent gaining that passive SP.

Also, an idea was recently suggested on that thread that the skill back booster should cause some loss of SP that you already gained when using it.

CCP Cmdr Wang said they are looking into it.

all of you "no respec" guys are going to be the reason this game has an epic fail because this game is missing about 3/4 of its basic content, the weapon balance, the dropsuit balance, and core issues aren't even fixed.

1. When i say basic content I mean all of the racial variants for suits, weapons, and vehicles
2. Weapon balance just surf the forums for OP Nerf or Buff
3. Dropsuit balance see heavy suit and light suit
4. Core gameplay just play the game in a section where there are like 12 people in close proximity.
5. Core gameplay is also things like game modes right now we have 2 (oms is still just ambush and domination is skirmish with 1 point)
6. Lack of a player market and PVE

And you say there isn't a need for a respec system I say if people want to pay real money for a respec let them do so until all of the basic content is here

My personal opinion on this is such I think everyone should be entitled to a respec once all of the racial variants are here end of or you should be entitled to one every 7 million sp you earn this basically mean that every time you earn 7 million sp you have the option of buying a respec for 7 million isk

(This post is not in favor of any type of respec except involving balance changes to weapons/dropsuits)

I believe now that if you spend your SP wisely you don't need to worry about a respec. Start out getting Proto in a suit type that you like. Pick a weapon that you know how to use and your personal favorite for your class type. Side arm if your not a Logi like me.

CORE UPGRADES ARE VITAL! Get those then all you gotta do is save SP for the future suits and weapons.
Things like Electronics, Power grid and anything that increases your suits abilities passively.
Proto type Light Weapons cost 620,000 or so Sp not including Proficiency.

A new Prototype suit in a different race or Frame than you are cost about 1.5mill or so SP

Once you have all the core things then you'll only have to worry about those two things.
Being a Logi I already have a ton of points into things like Repair tools and Nanites.

Now on another note...
When they make changes to a dropsuit or weapon they should give back the SP you put into the Dropsuit or weapon.
I chose Caldari Logistics because well it's Caldari and that's the race I like the most. If(When) they nerf it I expect my SP back because I didn't know I was going to be fed to the lion when I chose that suit.
I chose the AR because it's a good weapon with multiple variants and am using it until the Caldari Rail Rifle comes out.