DUST Search - CCP - Allow Respecs Every 90 Days for AUR

LongLostLust wrote:

Malkai Inos wrote:

LongLostLust wrote:

Malkai. Please respond to my point on Roleplayers a few post up

Playing, response will be edited in later.
[Edit: There]

LongLostLust wrote:

THis is for you Malkai. Some people play this game and Roleplay. Lets say they wanted to be a Minmatar heavy and no damn way would they be Amarr so they specced into Minmatar Logi because no ETA on new heavy suits has been announced. Now if we only give back SP in heavy this guy would get screwed because he wanted to RP. Not fair. So a ONE TIME respec should be allowed after the vehicle/heavy/scout racials are out.

The problem i have with a fixed date one time respec has been explained earlier so i'll try and keep it short.[Edit: didn't quite work]

A single respec will solve the described issue for those players currently playing the game that are missing their preferred racial variant. It will not solve the very same issue for everyone that might join the game in a year or two, based on the reasonable assumption that racially symmetric content releases will not be a reality in the near future.

Based on my opinion that respecs are potentionally harmfull to the game, a solution that involves respecs needs to be future proof for the issue it tries to address to provide an acceptable harm/benefit ratio. A fixed date one time respec is not future proof and thus does not provide an acceptable harm/benefit ratio.

This does apply to RPers aswell. A respec now would be unfair to those who specced into e.g. gallente heavies while they actually wanted the gallente MTAC but couldn't because only the amarr MTAC is currently available and won't get a respec because they missed an arbitrary date at which point respec are no longer an option. The date didn't change their situation at all and is as unfair as a "no respec" approach.

Have a look a few posts earlier for a way to fix this issue that i find worth a second thought.

There is no need to cater to those waiting for a racial variant for something that wasn't in the game at "launch" it was up to CCP to decide what was at launch and there should have been all racial variants accounted for. When we get those variants a respec is necessary.

Then in the future only drop content that has all racial variants accounted for. I hear this is what eve does. Wonder why dust isn't the same?

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Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. League of Infamy 714	Posted - 2013.07.24 20:57:00 - [151] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: Any amount of respecs for aurum will be considered pay 2 win. I suggest either once every 3 months you can get a respec for 10 million isk. then becoming 20 million isk than 30 million, all the way up to 50 million. Or every 6 months you can opt for a respec no isk no aurum it's just an option. I like this.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. League of Infamy 714	Posted - 2013.07.24 20:59:00 - [152] - Quote LongLostLust wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: LongLostLust wrote: Malkai. Please respond to my point on Roleplayers a few post up Playing, response will be edited in later. [Edit: There] LongLostLust wrote: THis is for you Malkai. Some people play this game and Roleplay. Lets say they wanted to be a Minmatar heavy and no damn way would they be Amarr so they specced into Minmatar Logi because no ETA on new heavy suits has been announced. Now if we only give back SP in heavy this guy would get screwed because he wanted to RP. Not fair. So a ONE TIME respec should be allowed after the vehicle/heavy/scout racials are out. The problem i have with a fixed date one time respec has been explained earlier so i'll try and keep it short.[Edit: didn't quite work] A single respec will solve the described issue for those players currently playing the game that are missing their preferred racial variant. It will not solve the very same issue for everyone that might join the game in a year or two, based on the reasonable assumption that racially symmetric content releases will not be a reality in the near future. Based on my opinion that respecs are potentionally harmfull to the game, a solution that involves respecs needs to be future proof for the issue it tries to address to provide an acceptable harm/benefit ratio. A fixed date one time respec is not future proof and thus does not provide an acceptable harm/benefit ratio. This does apply to RPers aswell. A respec now would be unfair to those who specced into e.g. gallente heavies while they actually wanted the gallente MTAC but couldn't because only the amarr MTAC is currently available and won't get a respec because they missed an arbitrary date at which point respec are no longer an option. The date didn't change their situation at all and is as unfair as a "no respec" approach. Have a look a few posts earlier for a way to fix this issue that i find worth a second thought. There is no need to cater to those waiting for a racial variant for something that wasn't in the game at "launch" it was up to CCP to decide what was at launch and there should have been all racial variants accounted for. When we get those variants a respec is necessary. Then in the future only drop content that has all racial variants accounted for. I hear this is what eve does. Wonder why dust isn't the same? Eve refunds the SP for the affected skills and allows you to skill with them wherever you please. Similar to when they changed the skill multipliers for dropsuits.
Malkai Inos Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 845	Posted - 2013.07.24 21:12:00 - [153] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Eve refunds the SP for the affected skills and allows you to skill with them wherever you please. Similar to when they changed the skill multipliers for dropsuits. I am not aware of this ever happening besides learning skills which have been removed completely. Please provide a source for this. And of course they will unallocate the surplus SP when the skill in question gets its multiplier lowered. Should the difference just vanish instead?
LongLostLust Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 96	Posted - 2013.07.27 11:41:00 - [154] - Quote Rise from the Dead!
LongLostLust Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 97	Posted - 2013.07.28 21:26:00 - [155] - Quote CCP could reply on whether a respec is being considered after the racial suits are out!
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 80	Posted - 2013.07.29 15:21:00 - [156] - Quote They could but that would be anticlimactic.
Charlotte O'Dell Mango and Friends 782	Posted - 2013.07.29 17:18:00 - [157] - Quote **** the fanboys. This game gets dull. I want respecs like every other mmorpg ever.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 2733	Posted - 2013.07.29 18:09:00 - [158] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: ** the fanboys. This game gets dull. I want respecs like every other mmorpg ever. People in hell want ice water. It's really not that bad. It feels as stale as it does right now because it IS stale. New content and gameplay will turn that around quite nicely. Malkai Inos wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote:** Eve refunds the SP for the affected skills and allows you to skill with them wherever you please. Similar to when they changed the skill multipliers for dropsuits. I am not aware of this ever happening besides learning skills which have been removed completely, not changed. Please provide a source for this. And of course they will unallocate the surplus SP when the skill in question gets its multiplier lowered. Should the difference just vanish instead? The ONLY time we get unallocated SP given to us is when the server goes down for close to 24 hours, because of the potential for someone to have been unable to set a skill to cover the gap, and thus lost training time through no fault of their own. As this guy said, Learning Skills were a unique circumstance, because they were being removed completely. Since they were essential to be able to progress in the game, everyone had SP in them, and you can't just take that SP away because the skills are removed. Dust hasn't had any skills removed in that manner, and likely never will.
LongLostLust Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 98	Posted - 2013.07.29 20:35:00 - [159] - Quote Respecs for AUR is a form of content. Someone bored with running heavy since open beta can have a completely new feeling game as a scout if able to respec. It's sad all this game has become is a grind. Telling them to just start saving sp will simply push them away and dust needs all the players it can get.
October SnowFox Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 44	Posted - 2013.07.29 20:54:00 - [160] - Quote +1

LongLostLust Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 108	Posted - 2013.07.31 12:56:00 - [161] - Quote Bumpity bump bump. Look at this thread go
RA Drahcir Psygod9 RISE of LEGION 55	Posted - 2013.07.31 22:16:00 - [162] - Quote 100 AUR? OK.
LongLostLust Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 108	Posted - 2013.07.31 22:47:00 - [163] - Quote i suggest 10k Aur or whatever $10 is in Aur
GetSpooned The dyst0pian Corporation Lokun Listamenn 0	Posted - 2013.07.31 23:48:00 - [164] - Quote yes please respec . with things changing so much we should be able to change with them.
Justine Oma-Lyndel Raven Accord Black Core Alliance 3	Posted - 2013.08.01 00:47:00 - [165] - Quote Ok so a respec would be a very bad idea, It's been stated several times the last 8 or so pages so won't get into that. However when the next bit of suits hit (when each faction has their respective roles and dropsuits) We could get 1 last final reset, see no harm in that. However like EVE, every decision has a consequence, essentially. As patches get pushed and weapons/suits go through their buffs and debuffs you'll find that you'll have to eveolve just like the game. If you cannot then you'll and up like the rest, gone and playing something new. OT-Personally I know quite a few people who have multi accounts that just accrue passive SP that way they can figure out which fittings they like and which ones they don't, never having to use their main's SP to figure it out. Again, a pay to spec is a bad idea, even freebies. Get into EVE and run the market, you'll understand. However 1 last respec when everything's out prior to the market releasing would be fine imo.
LongLostLust Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 114	Posted - 2013.08.01 23:58:00 - [166] - Quote Wonder when CCP will tell us the racial varients are coming out and confirm a last respec will happen. Wouldn't that be nice and end this debate? I know better though and it won't come. Better go order a PS4.


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