Any amount of respecs for aurum will be considered pay 2 win.


I suggest either once every 3 months you can get a respec for 10 million isk. then becoming 20 million isk than 30 million, all the way up to 50 million.

Or every 6 months you can opt for a respec no isk no aurum it's just an option.

Did you make sure to flush?

Respecing to FOTM is not pay to win? ISK transfer between DUST and EVE will be here fairly soon. At that point buying ISK will be easy. Limiting respec to ISK won't solve anything.

I like how you declare things as off limits to the discussion to strengthen your point. No fanboys, FOTM, or P2W. Anything else we can't use to shoot down respec for the hundredth time?

And you still failed to provide any compelling argument for this thought of yours.

The ONLY acceptable idea I've seen toward giving you SP back to spend somewhere else was the idea of a "reverse" booster that would allow you to earn back your SP.

Any means of instantly refunding all your SP for ISK or AURUM is unacceptable.

it is exactly a pay to win situation. you're talking about a respec that would be infinitely valuable for 10 million isk? that's stupid. i'll allow it for 8 bil.

With the Metagame in place, they can't allow something as important as a respec be an only aurum option.

OP, many of the most adamant anti-respec sentiments come from Eve Online players who view Dust as another way to play Eve. No matter what you say they are going to argue against it. It's chic to them to bet 10 years solely on the potential of Dust, because it's a badge of honor to them to have banked on Eve, stayed through it all, and in their minds won.

Some will even go so far as to threaten to quit Eve Online or incite in game riots if CCP does anything to Dust of which they disapprove. It's a culture clash and no one knows just what the future holds for Dust other then a long and rocky road.

Sorry Lust but if they allow respecs they might as well just get rid of SP in general. (Which would be bad)

signed

I'm going to ignore your repeated ad hominem remarks for the sake of the argument this time.

Have a read here for why respecs call the SP system as a whole into question (also read everything from Cross Atu on this subject if you want more insight on the other side of the fence.

In a nutshell: The fixed nature of the skillsystem is not a bad byproduct of CCPs warped mind but the central aspect that makes it do what it's supposed to do. Add respecs (for example as by your proposition) and it can no longer serve this functionality and is basically degraded into solely a dull ginding. Of course it is already a grind. But without respecs there's more to it (wether you feel that the implications are good or bad is another question of which the answer i already know).

With respecs, on the other hand, there's not. All what is left is a system that enables pubstomping.

Hey remember this?So every argument has to go into great detail and requires explanation unless you're the one uttering it?

Also, progression was only one of the points i tried to raise.

Excuse the insolence but i find the degree of intellectual dishonesty that i see on your part outright staggering.

No respecs at all please, not ever. New weapon or suit added? Train for it.

@Long

There are many ways to bring in more players without the need of the respec. The respec after all is not the end-all-be-all of game development.

A trade window for starters. We have ISK transfers, why not give us player-to-player window trading?

A small industrial part of DUST like salvaging parts and harvesting minerals that can be used to produce items for personal use or for selling.

PVE mission running. I want to see those rogue drones come at me. I can take them on with my knife.

Exploration. You have to admit. Don't you feel curious what is beyond the red line?

Ability to customize the placement of structures and installations in planetary conquest. This sounds like something that can be done sooner rather than soon.

Fighters. I like to see this now.

Give DUST players who go into factional warfare some loyalty points and access to faction loot.

Give players the ability to invite other players into their merc quarters or at least give us access to a corp office to commingle in.

Give players the ability to switch stations and move between systems without having to go into battle.

Better tutorials.

Get rid of the entire red zone surrounding the terrain during factional warfare or PC battles.

You and respecs, sheesh.

CCP has said this number able times.

No more respecs. Ever.

Just save SP once you have the role you want.

No need for respecs. This isn't CoD. You will never find that prestige mode button.

This is a game for those that want to collect tears. You don't play the game to play the game. You play the game to have a serious impact on another's play.

This is the console version of EVE, no matter how much you wanna say their so different.

Hell, they play on the same server!

Technically the idea suggested is not a normal respec. If you read the details carefully you will see that the idea suggests slowly unallocating SP over a period of time while the passive SP gain is disabled. This forces you to lose precious time that could have been spent gaining that passive SP.

Also, an idea was recently suggested on that thread that the skill back booster should cause some loss of SP that you already gained when using it.

CCP Cmdr Wang said they are looking into it.

all of you "no respec" guys are going to be the reason this game has an epic fail because this game is missing about 3/4 of its basic content, the weapon balance, the dropsuit balance, and core issues aren't even fixed.

1. When i say basic content I mean all of the racial variants for suits, weapons, and vehicles
2. Weapon balance just surf the forums for OP Nerf or Buff
3. Dropsuit balance see heavy suit and light suit
4. Core gameplay just play the game in a section where there are like 12 people in close proximity.
5. Core gameplay is also things like game modes right now we have 2 (oms is still just ambush and domination is skirmish with 1 point)
6. Lack of a player market and PVE

And you say there isn't a need for a respec system I say if people want to pay real money for a respec let them do so until all of the basic content is here

My personal opinion on this is such I think everyone should be entitled to a respec once all of the racial variants are here end of or you should be entitled to one every 7 million sp you earn this basically mean that every time you earn 7 million sp you have the option of buying a respec for 7 million isk

(This post is not in favor of any type of respec except involving balance changes to weapons/dropsuits)

I believe now that if you spend your SP wisely you don't need to worry about a respec. Start out getting Proto in a suit type that you like. Pick a weapon that you know how to use and your personal favorite for your class type. Side arm if your not a Logi like me.

CORE UPGRADES ARE VITAL! Get those then all you gotta do is save SP for the future suits and weapons.
Things like Electronics, Power grid and anything that increases your suits abilities passively.
Proto type Light Weapons cost 620,000 or so Sp not including Proficiency.

A new Prototype suit in a different race or Frame than you are cost about 1.5mill or so SP

Once you have all the core things then you'll only have to worry about those two things.
Being a Logi I already have a ton of points into things like Repair tools and Nanites.

Now on another note...
When they make changes to a dropsuit or weapon they should give back the SP you put into the Dropsuit or weapon.
I chose Caldari Logistics because well it's Caldari and that's the race I like the most. If(When) they nerf it I expect my SP back because I didn't know I was going to be fed to the lion when I chose that suit.
I chose the AR because it's a good weapon with multiple variants and am using it until the Caldari Rail Rifle comes out.

Now on the post from a long time ago.

You've already posted it Lust. The sales on Boosters would be gone. Once you have 10million + SP you don't really need anymore if you can Respec and pick a new suit/weapons.

The way it is now you can save SP for the future in hopes that something simply awesome will come out. Like MTAC's or Caldari heavy/scout.

Oh and with vehicles whom I believe have been thoroughly screwed for sometime because they don't have any variants for the Amarr/Mini. What are they supposed to do just get all the passive skills and drive a Charybidis around while they wait for their favorite races vehicle variants.

Now I've been gnawing on this idea, provided it costs ALOT of AUR, it's not totally bad...

One has to consider that the Viziam pretty much asked to be nerfed in some way or the other. We can all agree that the amount of changes was way to high and that communication concerning game design and balance has been atrocious in the past but that brings me to my first question (i kinda like this idea).

Do you think it is possible for CCP to improve their methods of balancing in such a way that the act of balancing only goes as far as needed without always breaking formerly reasonable, non FOTM builds en masse?

With regards to the topic: Can you agree to the notion that a reasonable amount of required balance changes that preserve the viability of affected items is a natural part of game design and does not justify a respec on its own?

Oh and add a "is properly communicated in advance with community feedback taken into consideration in an open and sincere way" to either question. I think you'll agree how important that is.

Hmm...

15$

I'll pay $15. Probably only on my main. Heck if they gave us all a respec after all the vehicle/scout/heavy racials were out I would probably drop the respec arguement all together. But the fact that they say your choices matter when not all the orginal base choices are available is stupid.

When new suits come out or new guns, I agree, no need for a respec. But we didn't even get all the heavies and scouts. Simply not fair.

Those suggesting that only the SP be reallocated in the scouts/heavy, I don't agree with this.

THis is for you Malkai. Some people play this game and Roleplay. Lets say they wanted to be a Minmatar heavy and no damn way would they be Amarr so they specced into Minmatar Logi because no ETA on new heavy suits has been announced. Now if we only give back SP in heavy this guy would get screwed because he wanted to RP. Not fair. So a ONE TIME respec should be allowed after the vehicle/heavy/scout racials are out.

Playing, response will be edited in later.
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The problem i have with a fixed date one time respec has been explained earlier so i'll try and keep it short.[Edit: didn't quite work]

A single respec will solve the described issue for those players currently playing the game that are missing their preferred racial variant. It will not solve the very same issue for everyone that might join the game in a year or two, based on the reasonable assumption that racially symmetric content releases will not be a reality in the near future.

Based on my opinion that respecs are potentionally harmfull to the game, a solution that involves respecs needs to be future proof for the issue it tries to address to provide an acceptable harm/benefit ratio. A fixed date one time respec is not future proof and thus does not provide an acceptable harm/benefit ratio.

This does apply to RPers aswell. A respec now would be unfair to those who specced into e.g. gallente heavies while they actually wanted the gallente MTAC but couldn't because only the amarr MTAC is currently available and won't get a respec because they missed an arbitrary date at which point respec are no longer an option. The date didn't change their situation at all and is as unfair as a "no respec" approach.

Have a look a few posts earlier for a way to fix this issue that i find worth a second thought.

I'm not reading all these pages of thread. Just suffice to say Planetside 1 allowed respecs for free every 24hours and the game was better for it. People got to try everything and ultimately settle on what they liked. It also added longevity to the game because old players could always try something new. I want naysayers to point to a game where respecs actually hurt the community or else abandon their baseless critism of change.

Aurum respecs will only help dust. /signed