So, I've seen, and commented on, the typical "it's not AR so nerf it posts" and have tried to explain that just because something kills you, but isn't an AR, that doesn't mean it's OP.

I've implored people to check out the killfeed so they can see, themselves, which weapons are dominating the game.

Knowing that most players won't bother, but will continue to champion their own little cause, I've done it for you.

I have compiled the killfeed from four skirmish games today in which I dropped alone. I removed my own kills from the tally. If you'd like, I can let you know what those are.

Here are the results:

Totals for all four matches combined:

Assault Rifle 100
Turrets 65
Sniper Rifle 44
HMG 37
Impact 35
SMG 34
Grenades 27
Misc 26
Mass Driver 20
Flaylock 16
Scrambler Rifle 13
Strike 12
Shotgun 10
Swarm Launcher 8
Forge Gun 5
Laser Rifle 5
Melee 1
RE 1
Unknown 1
Scrambler Pistol
Plasma Cannon
Nova Knives



Now, what can be learned from this. First off, it is clear that all the forum whining regarding Flaylock pistols is just that - whining. It is just number 10 on the killfeed, behind grenades, and significantly - far behind the SMG, another sidearm.


We can also see that players should probably consider carrying more AV, considering impact kills are number 5, and turrets (comprising installations and all vehicle turrets together) are number 2.

Most significantly, the most OP weapon on the battlefield, representing nearly 22% of all kills in Dust, is the AR. The next highest handheld weapon, the sniper rifle comes in at just 9% of overall kills. The much maligned Flaylock clocks in at less than 3.5% of all kills.

If anyone is interested in the raw data per fight, it is here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Avo42h0_YoMNdEtzNWk4UWRENTRnWVpkQjZJQXhJUGc&usp=sharing


Now, before anyone jumps on and says why haven't I broken down this data into individual weapons, run more games, etc. I'm sorry. I'd like too, but I don't have video recording equipment, so I had my GF help by tallying all the kills in realtime, so sorry, this is as detailed as I can get.\


Edit to add in data that has been collected by others:

More pub data, from domination from Cruxio/Oswald Rehnquist:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1025782#post1025782

PC data from ZDub:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1032749#post1032749

In the end the TTK on that gun is too low... it take 1.5s to fire all three shots.. and with 2.5m splash a skilled player can land all three no problem. That's a 1.5s TTK on any proto suit... that's too powerful... its almost impossible to dodge with 2.5m splash.. and even if you do.. a follow up fused locus and its over.

Nothing has that kind of consistent TTK on moving targets except for guns that 1 shot like Thales or FGs on direct hits.

AR can't do that on a moving target at all.. period.

I can see you compiled alot of data. good job, but i would like to know how many dropsuits were using AR compared to the other weapons. If there were 2 ARs for every sniper rifle, then yes you will see a significant difference(x2). Was this also used in your data?

Personally I don't think you have enough data.

You need WHO was killing who in there as well. If a guy with 5 points into proficiency is in there hes going to be doing some insane damage, along with damage modifiers. Do they have good gun-game?

Also what TYPE of AR are they using? Proto? Advanced? Basic? Militia?

What are the lifetime SP of the players involved?

Also what maps were these on? Were they more open maps or did they have a city? Where did the fighting take place on the specific map?


I don't know if these questions have been asked, but they should if they haven't been. =D

I was just going to say exactly this. Just because the US army uses the M4 or M16, doesn't mean it's the best gun ever. It has positives and negatives that come with it. Compare it to a Kalshnikov of any variant. AK's use higher caliber rounds and inflict more terrible injuries (higher damage) where the M4 and M16 have more accuracy at longer ranges.

What this boils down to is that players will use something that is comfortable for them, and the AR does that. It has good damage, good range and a decent mag size, and great accuracy. The scrambler is better than an AR in all of these aspects except that it overheats. Why aren't players using it instead? Because it's a Kalashnikov and they grew up shooting their dad's M16.

Edit: I realise that a civilian can't get a military grade M16 in the US, but they can get close to it with any standard AR-15 model.

You just haven't caught on to the next FOTM yet.

I'll give you a hint: Its a LW that shoots explosive projectiles

Don't get me started. You mean that one that was already nerfed once even though it wasn't a problem in chromosome?

The one that is still up?

Oh I forgot though, it isn't an AR and must therefore be nerfed.

Lol, I hope you're kidding.

Don't get me started. You mean that one that was already nerfed once even though it wasn't a problem in chromosome?

The one that is still up?

Oh I forgot though, it isn't an AR and must therefore be nerfed.

Lol, I hope you're kidding.

Hail AR 514, more samey than ever.

So, I've seen, and commented on, the typical "it's not AR so nerf it posts" and have tried to explain that just because something kills you, but isn't an AR, that doesn't mean it's OP.

I've implored people to check out the killfeed so they can see, themselves, which weapons are dominating the game.

Knowing that most players won't bother, but will continue to champion their own little cause, I've done it for you.

I have compiled the killfeed from four skirmish games today in which I dropped alone. I removed my own kills from the tally. If you'd like, I can let you know what those are.

Here are the results:

Totals for all four matches combined:

Assault Rifle 100
Turrets 65
Sniper Rifle 44
HMG 37
Impact 35
SMG 34
Grenades 27
Misc 26
Mass Driver 20
Flaylock 16
Scrambler Rifle 13
Strike 12
Shotgun 10
Swarm Launcher 8
Forge Gun 5
Laser Rifle 5
Melee 1
RE 1
Unknown 1
Scrambler Pistol
Plasma Cannon
Nova Knives



Now, what can be learned from this. First off, it is clear that all the forum whining regarding Flaylock pistols is just that - whining. It is just number 10 on the killfeed, behind grenades, and significantly - far behind the SMG, another sidearm.


We can also see that players should probably consider carrying more AV, considering impact kills are number 5, and turrets (comprising installations and all vehicle turrets together) are number 2.

Most significantly, the most OP weapon on the battlefield, representing nearly 22% of all kills in Dust, is the AR. The next highest handheld weapon, the sniper rifle comes in at just 9% of overall kills. The much maligned Flaylock clocks in at less than 3.5% of all kills.

If anyone is interested in the raw data per fight, it is here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Avo42h0_YoMNdEtzNWk4UWRENTRnWVpkQjZJQXhJUGc&usp=sharing


Now, before anyone jumps on and says why haven't I broken down this data into individual weapons, run more games, etc. I'm sorry. I'd like too, but I don't have video recording equipment, so I had my GF help by tallying all the kills in realtime, so sorry, this is as detailed as I can get.\


Edit to add in data that has been collected by others:

More pub data, from domination from Cruxio/Oswald Rehnquist:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1025782#post1025782

PC data from ZDub:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1032749#post1032749

Very mature.

I've gone out of my way to be as unbiased and scientific as I can, and provide real, useful data, and this is the best you can comment with?

Interesting.

Saying the AR is OP is so subjective though. Any weapon can be deemed OP. .

OP is an entire squad of dual flaylockers carrying nanohives.

OP is an understatement.
the **** right now, is gamebreaking, and CCP has known it all along.

honestly, i'm starting to think it was a ploy to begin with.
that is to say, make the flaylock ultra-powerful to start with, make everyone waste their sp into skilling into it,
announce an incoming nerf to bring it in line with the 'core concept', and ignore everyone's requests for a respec.

this does two things.
- keeps people playing to reinvest that sp that they shouldn't have put into flaylocks to begin with, elsewhere (assuming they don't quit.)
- makes CCP look like they're actually doing something, and (laugh) listening to the community (still looking at you armor plates).



also, your statistics are worthless. flaylock is op. everyone knows it.

AR - 100
Scrambler Rifle - 13