Unless you go and get an actually decent sample size, this data is completely useless.

Wepons that are used more are not op,they are just used more...That is some twisted way to try to (prove) that the flaylock is not OP.This sure show how people get attached to their precious op guns and are willing to do anything to keep it as it is;)

Over used =/= over powered
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General purpose weapons will likely always have the most kills.

Balance is lacking when a weapon, ANY weapon, can't fulfill it's role (plasma cannon, laser rifle). OR, supplants the role of another weapon of a particular niche(Uprising 1.0 Tactical AR).

It's very delicate, guys.
Don't hammer on the OP. His data may not be sound, but his point is still valid.

I've heard this about PC. I've also stated that if someone actually put some numbers up, that I'd agree that the Flaylock is a problem for PC. I don't play PC. Most players don't.

People can respec, and have been given two so far. Also, with events like the 3x weekend we are currently having, people have the opportunity to get into other weapons. See, the thing is, they don't.

We are, what, 5 months since open beta began (3.65 mil SP from passive alone), and AR kills represent two thirds of all weapon kills from light and sidearm. That isn't preference, that a problem for diversity, that's OP.

It does because to be OP, a weapon must hurt overall diversity. Like the AR.

That's only part of the picture... we need to spec into SO much more than just weapons. What you're saying may be true in another year or so... but for now people are still working on their first suit, and their core skills, they can only spare the SP to spec deep into a single weapon for the time being.

I know thats how it is for me... I have 15 million SP.. im still not done with core skills or modules I want, i'm millions away from finishing equipment still, I haven't touched grenades yet at all. I have only one suit I can use, and that is the cal logi I chose... to get cal assault i have to spend another 2.5 million SP... thats 5 weeks boosted and 8-9 weeks unboosted.

So no.. this game is extremely punishing in its SP system... which is fine.. this is what we all signed up for.. but you can't say "waaaa theres no weapon diversity nerf the AR!" when if you had the choice of only a single weapon, which would you pick? the situationally useful one or one that does decent in most situations?

However.. you still can't take these metrics and say the FP is somehow underpowered cause its not seeing the same number of kills in a match as the AR. It takes time and sp to spec the 610k SP you need to get FP Op 5, and thats SP you have to take away from the core skill you were planning to get. Not a lot of people are willing to do that yet.. but that still doesnt mean the weapon is not too powerful.

In the end the TTK on that gun is too low... it take 1.5s to fire all three shots.. and with 2.5m splash a skilled player can land all three no problem. That's a 1.5s TTK on any proto suit... that's too powerful... its almost impossible to dodge with 2.5m splash.. and even if you do.. a follow up fused locus and its over.

Nothing has that kind of consistent TTK on moving targets except for guns that 1 shot like Thales or FGs on direct hits.

AR can't do that on a moving target at all.. period.

The skill system is what hurts overall diversity, people have explained that and many other points that discredit your list but if you want to keep your head in the sand insisting its overpowered just because its the most common weapon be my guest

Sorry about the alt posting again. For the record, Jeb is me. I'm not sure why the setting keeps changing. Sorry for any confusion.

Sorry about the alt posting again. For the record, Jeb is me. I'm not sure why the setting keeps changing. Sorry for any confusion.

Well, it is. By definition.

I'd also like to point out that we saw plenty of people jump into the TAR bandwagon rapidly, despite it being meta 4 or 5. Granted it was in the AR tree, and still is, but we've also had respecs since then too. So, people can move, but I agree it isn't entirely fluid.

Wepons that are used more are not op,they are just used more...That is some twisted way to try to (prove) that the flaylock is not OP.This sure show how people get attached to their precious op guns and are willing to do anything to keep it as it is;)

What is your definition of op?

What is your definition of op?

Why is that? You don't like what the actual data shows?

You didn't add a timeline rate for the weapons. Flaylock has not existed as long the AR. Also CCP has their own data and posted in a devblog that they see the flaylock is imbalanced.

Dev blog? Source?

Somebody help me find the dev only topic that shows things that are reported. (flaylock, glitches, etc.)

Actual Data for OP weapon use and OPness
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I have compiled the killfeed from four skirmish games today in which I dropped alone. I removed my own kills from the tally.

Here you go :
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75585

Please excuse my insolence but i have to ask what part specifically constitues the the difinition of the term OP? You dance around quite a lot in this thread i have a hard time condensing the actual definition you propose out of it.

What are the specific qualities of an an item that is is OP?

Data is not the plural of anecdote.

Well I do summarize it in the thread. here's the short description. OP = Overpowered, thus more desireable, thus more people use it, thus it hurts diversity. OP=hurts diversity by being too desirable.

Hold on. An overpowered item is overpowered? That's a tautology. OP is the term i'm looking for, it cannot be part of its own definition.