Planetary conquest represent a tiny minority of the Dust playerbase, and as such, is relatively insignificant when it comes to balancing concerns. At such time that more players are able to be involved with PC, then I agree wholeheartedly.

Well they do hit each OP weapon with thors mighty nerf hammer........

Actually, no, it doesn't undermine my claim.

An OP weapon damages diversity. The Flaylock isn't, the AR is.

No, if a weapon is effective for people that use it, that is an indication of viability, not OP. For viability to become OP, the weapon must be good outside of it's niche. The weapon must be good everywhere, like the AR, and unlike the Flaylock.

When this game is balanced, every one of those will be the same number of kills.

I've heard this about PC. I've also stated that if someone actually put some numbers up, that I'd agree that the Flaylock is a problem for PC. I don't play PC. Most players don't.

People can respec, and have been given two so far. Also, with events like the 3x weekend we are currently having, people have the opportunity to get into other weapons. See, the thing is, they don't.

We are, what, 5 months since open beta began (3.65 mil SP from passive alone), and AR kills represent two thirds of all weapon kills from light and sidearm. That isn't preference, that a problem for diversity, that's OP.

You didn't add a timeline rate for the weapons. Flaylock has not existed as long the AR. Also CCP has their own data and posted in a devblog that they see the flaylock is imbalanced.

You cannot balance weapons at the lowest denominator of players. doing so invites disaster such as the flaylock. Most PC corps have a policy against publicly posting our PC matches for 2 reasons: 1) the might give away team tactics, strategic placement of uplinks and positions. 2) We do not wish to cause harm to our opponents reputation.

There's a little more you can get from this. First off, ARs kill 10 times as often as the very similar Scrambler rifle. Yeah, that's a big red flag.

Second, again, if a given weapon's "niche" is the entire game, then there's a problem and it's OP. The AR fits the bill perfectly here.


PC matches are equally not a good area to balance around because most players don't experience this.

Let's see the numbers that back up the usage profiles that are being mentioned for PC. Until that happens, it's just talk son.

They have the advantage of a large player base to do this. I don't think Dust has this advantage, and won't if some balance isn't brought to pubs - before PC.

................ Someone got killed by a flux grenade?

I'm curious, why should everything be built around PC? So that it can serve the elitists better?

How many people are playing this game casually? How many play in ambush, oms, dom, squirmish the majority of the time? Where is the majority of customers that this game needs to stay alive?

My point is that if everything is balanced regarding the elitist endgame, you will never have the population pool that you need to make PC interesting in the first place because ppl will quit before reaching that stage.

Totally agree with original poster, that the AR is indeed an incredibly overpowered weapon and the reason most players use it. it needs a seriously massive nerf to get these players to try some other weapon and make the game more fun. Every time I die in a pub match; which isn't much these days, but every time I do it's 99% likely to be from one of the overpowered Assault Rifles that everyone uses. I find it kind of sad really, I enjoy using my proto forge and proto flaylock heavy, I don't want to be some overpowered AR ***.

Don't get me started. You mean that one that was already nerfed once even though it wasn't a problem in chromosome?

The one that is still up?

Oh I forgot though, it isn't an AR and must therefore be nerfed.

Lol, I hope you're kidding.