Complex shield energizer:
-6% shield HP
+60% shield recharge rate (!)

Advanced:
-4% shield HP
+45% shield recharge rate

Standard:
-2% shield HP
+25% shield recharge rate



Are you out of your minds?
You create terrible plates for the weaker tank and create the most overpowered shield module for the stronger tank?
Just wtf?

Complex shield energizer:
-6% shield HP
+60% shield recharge rate (!)

Advanced:
-4% shield HP
+45% shield recharge rate

Standard:
-2% shield HP
+25% shield recharge rate



Are you out of your minds?
You create terrible plates for the weaker tank and create the most overpowered shield module for the stronger tank?
Just wtf?


Edit:
Oh, and they don't require any skills!
*Clap* *Clap* *Clap*

We need something too! We get fluxed!

i'm not a vehicle guy so please explain?

isn't sacrificing max shield seriously a problem since your shields won't regen until you're not being shot. thus you would die easier and give you less time to run away?

yeah this is insane, all the new plates are about as usefull as a big sack if sh!t and the one item that comes for shields is ridiculously good. A 6% penalty for 60% recharge?! That penalty is only to base shields aswell if what i have read is true. That negative is nothing compared to the ridiculous movement speed penalties plates have.

Meh whatever, i assume most people will be sticking to there basic plates if anything.

LOL, disregard that, i thought they were for infantry!!! hahahha oh man gotta make yourself laugh

I see Gal Scouts getting good use for this, with their already terrible Shield tanking abilities -6% Shouldn't hurt.

Is it for Vehicles only?

We get hit by a locus grenade and we die instantly.
You get hit by a flux grenade and you take cover and regenerate.

Oh yeah it's so much worse for you!

Ummmm locus grenades hurt us too.... Flux don't hurt you... ummm...

Do you even Dust bro?

Ummmm locus grenades hurt us too.... Flux don't hurt you... ummm...

Do you even Dust bro?

Locus grenades do 70% damage to you.
Locus grenades do 135% damage to us.
Do you even Dust bro?

If people are so worried about shields, why are they still carrying locus grenades?

I honestly don't get it.

You want to get a kill by spamming grenades, but that's not the tactic you need to use.

You actually have to pursue your enemy after you throw a flux, but the guy you will be pursuing will have less HP than a standard scout only slower with a larger "hit box"

It's an infantry module >_>

If people are so worried about shields, why are they still carrying locus grenades?

I honestly don't get it.

You want to get a kill by spamming grenades, but that's not the tactic you need to use.

You actually have to pursue your enemy after you throw a flux, but the guy you will be pursuing will have less HP than a standard scout only slower with a larger "hit box"

Flux when game is working properly does 100% damage to us 0% dmg to you...

Do YOU even Dust bro?

Flux would only be fair if it outright killed shield tankers.
That's how good a locus grenade is against armor tankers.

I think you are just being r3tarded at this point.

Flux when game is working properly does 100% damage to us 0% dmg to you...

Do YOU even Dust bro?

Locus grenades do:
70% against shields
135% against armor.
One grenade killed me with 660 armor and 150 shields.
ONE.

If Flux was a good counter, it would do the same to shield tankers.

Guys. It's the rate of recharge. If your shields go down. Still 10 seconds where they are down. it's just more shields will comeback per recharge i guess you could say.

It's a freaking recharge rate... get a grip!

I get killed by locusts grenades too lmfao! It's not like I just laugh at them and they do no damage to me. Flux do NO NONE ZILCH XERO NADA damage to you when the game isn't glitching.

Funny because my Caldari friend says he had a proto locus grenade hit his face and only scratch half his shields.

Flux would only be fair if it outright killed shield tankers.
That's how good a locus grenade is against armor tankers.

Flux when game is working properly does 100% damage to us 0% dmg to you...

Do YOU even Dust bro?

No benefits my foot. You still get shields.

It's not JUST a recharge rate.
My Caldari assault already regenerates shields at 31.5/pulse, with a single complex energizer (60%) it recharges at 50.4/pulse. Dropping one complex extender in place of this gives me 480 shields (6% base less, didn't do math on that, but its negligible) and 2 complex regulators letting my shields start recharging 2 sec after taking cover, I get my shields back after 9.5 pulses.
At an average of 2 pulses/sec that's 4.7 sec from 1 shield remaining to full strength.

Even as an assault player with less shields than a CalLogi I can see that its broken.
Sure you can flux me, but with the regulators its still only 5 sec before my shields start coming back.
Its WAY faster than anything you can have for armor without a Logi repping you.

The Ferroscale plates should at least give 80 armor at complex level to even try to compete with this, and the reactive plates need a higher regen speed for the amount of armor they give and speed penalty.
I'm dropping my recharger and adding an energizer tonight for sure, rechargers are useless now.

It's not a game-changer, honestly. It improves shields further and obsoletes the shield rechargers, though.

So caldari proto gets recharge rate an five shields plus they can use this mod? Ahfak!

I lose 171 armor hp to gain .65 rep rate and .32 movement speed....woooo not happening

This is incorrect by omission - flux grenades cannot kill you.

Hey there!

Yeah, I completely understand where you're coming from, and I can tell you that we are looking into how to better balance the two without obviously homogenizing the different statuses. So while it might seem like we aren't doing anything, that is not the case! It is in the works and we are continually looking at this data and determining how tweak it.

Complex shield energizer:

Oh, and they don't require any skills!

Hey there!

Yeah, I completely understand where you're coming from, and I can tell you that we are looking into how to better balance the two without obviously homogenizing the different statuses. So while it might seem like we aren't doing anything, that is not the case! It is in the works and we are continually looking at this data and determining how tweak it.

Hey there!

Yeah, I completely understand where you're coming from, and I can tell you that we are looking into how to better balance the two without obviously homogenizing the different statuses. So while it might seem like we aren't doing anything, that is not the case! It is in the works and we are continually looking at this data and determining how tweak it.

I dont understand what the big deal is? The new modules are hardly game breaking. This shouldn't be a priority fix. The new armor plates aren't that bad either....they just consume a ton of pg.

Hey there!

Yeah, I completely understand where you're coming from, and I can tell you that we are looking into how to better balance the two without obviously homogenizing the different statuses. So while it might seem like we aren't doing anything, that is not the case! It is in the works and we are continually looking at this data and determining how tweak it.

Armor tankers. Can spec into both Armor AND Shields.

I highly doubt it.
Considering how armor is worse in EVERY SINGLE WAY.
There is NO UPSIDE TO ARMOR that is actually worth all the downsides.

Communication appreciated.
Could we have some more information on this issue? While it's fairly egotistical to go around linking my thread, I feel that it's one of the better places to discuss this, as well. There's been over a dozen pages of good discussion there.

I dont understand what the big deal is? The new modules are hardly game breaking. This shouldn't be a priority fix. The new armor plates aren't that bad either....they just consume a ton of pg.

So what are you bitching about then? CCP....it is fine, the only thing is you've made shield rechargers pointless in this patch.

Our shields can't get repped. Our shields once we are fluxed we are practically dead. When depleted we have to wait 10 full seconds (with no Regs 6 with about 2 CRegulators) with NO heal at all. There is a grenade that takes ALL of our (OP advantage) away. There are weapons (Scrambler Rifle and Laser rifle) dedicated to taking away our shields no problem and than are left with NOTHING.


Armor tankers. Can spec into both Armor AND Shields. Flux taking out your shields means NOTHING because you still have high armor that CAN be repped by a logi faster than our shield can heal. You waiting on depleted shield really isn't catastrophic because that isn't what you are tank spec anyway. Please stop whining.

Hey there!

Yeah, I completely understand where you're coming from, and I can tell you that we are looking into how to better balance the two without obviously homogenizing the different statuses. So while it might seem like we aren't doing anything, that is not the case! It is in the works and we are continually looking at this data and determining how tweak it.

IF you go to read it count out how many are ALT accounts.

Our shields can't get repped. Our shields once we are fluxed we are practically dead. When depleted we have to wait 10 full seconds (with no Regs 6 with about 2 CRegulators) with NO heal at all. There is a grenade that takes ALL of our (OP advantage) away. There are weapons (Scrambler Rifle and Laser rifle) dedicated to taking away our shields no problem and than are left with NOTHING.


Armor tankers. Can spec into both Armor AND Shields. Flux taking out your shields means NOTHING because you still have high armor that CAN be repped by a logi faster than our shield can heal. You waiting on depleted shield really isn't catastrophic because that isn't what you are tank spec anyway. Please stop whining.

So the solution to armour tanking is to shield tank?

Hey there!

Yeah, I completely understand where you're coming from, and I can tell you that we are looking into how to better balance the two without obviously homogenizing the different statuses. So while it might seem like we aren't doing anything, that is not the case! It is in the works and we are continually looking at this data and determining how tweak it.

It's not JUST a recharge rate.
My Caldari assault already regenerates shields at 31.5/pulse, with a single complex energizer (60%) it recharges at 50.4/pulse. Dropping one complex extender in place of this gives me 480 shields (6% base less, didn't do math on that, but its negligible) and 2 complex regulators letting my shields start recharging 2 sec after taking cover, I get my shields back after 9.5 pulses.
At an average of 2 pulses/sec that's 4.7 sec from 1 shield remaining to full strength.

Even as an assault player with less shields than a CalLogi I can see that its broken.
Sure you can flux me, but with the regulators its still only 5 sec before my shields start coming back.
Its WAY faster than anything you can have for armor without a Logi repping you.

The Ferroscale plates should at least give 80 armor at complex level to even try to compete with this, and the reactive plates need a higher regen speed for the amount of armor they give and speed penalty.
I'm dropping my recharger and adding an energizer tonight for sure, rechargers are useless now.

I highly doubt it.
Considering how armor is worse in EVERY SINGLE WAY.
There is NO UPSIDE TO ARMOR that is actually worth all the downsides.

Cat, remember, you doubted them when it came to 1.2 being good as well, I'm sure they're trying to figure out how to balance the two without nuking shields or steroiding armor. Remember the Laser Rifle? I do, that's what happens when they "Balance" something without taking time to look at it.

Guys. It's the rate of recharge. If your shields go down. Still 10 seconds where they are down. it's just more shields will comeback per recharge i guess you could say.

You will want the Energizers once the shield regen timing gets fixed.
(For those of you that don't know, shield regen timer starts after first shot. They will be fixing it to start counting after last shot taken.)

The problem with armor is suits not having a constant repair rate. Every suit should have at least 10 hp/s repair rate imo, except heavies. Heavies not because you don't want to take away the logibro's job. If anything it should be very low, while scouts having the highest (like 15 hp/s). Let's be honest how many logibros have you seen repairing medium suits? Dependency on armor repairers is what makes armor inferior in all ways to shields, because they take 1 low slot. While you're at it, buff them and move them to high slot.

-XOXO

Confirming that everyone posting in that thread is my alt.
I am everywhere.

I take offence to this, I heal all allies in order of speed to max health, light frames first, then medium, then heavies.

I can't stop laughing

Hey there!

Yeah, I completely understand where you're coming from, and I can tell you that we are looking into how to better balance the two without obviously homogenizing the different statuses. So while it might seem like we aren't doing anything, that is not the case! It is in the works and we are continually looking at this data and determining how tweak it.

Wrong way of doing your job. Fatmen should be your priority.

-XOXO

I feel like I'm missing something, those don't sound very appealing or useful to me.

Not requiring any skills is ******. I personally dont think this sheild mod is much of an advantage, your sacrificing a slot to reduce your sheilds. I would much rather use a proto sheild recharger for the 43% recharge over loosing sheilds

this is an infaintry mod, right?

They buffed shields.
That's what.
Armor has been inferior in so many ways for months, and the update that was supposed to give us plates to remedy this not only gave us crap, but gave shields gold.

What buff? They gave us a better shield recharger, that's all. Armor plates were given an increase in rep rate or no movement penalty, etc. The downside is that the pg is so high.

I don't know many people that use shield rechargers anyway. I'm not going to sacrifice a module for faster shields. What is a shield energizer going to do when you get sniped with a charge sniper? Tbh, the shield energizer isn't really useful, imo

Hey there!

Yeah, I completely understand where you're coming from, and I can tell you that we are looking into how to better balance the two without obviously homogenizing the different statuses. So while it might seem like we aren't doing anything, that is not the case! It is in the works and we are continually looking at this data and determining how tweak it.

I dont understand what the big deal is? The new modules are hardly game breaking. This shouldn't be a priority fix. The new armor plates aren't that bad either....they just consume a ton of pg.

Flux would only be fair if it outright killed shield tankers.
That's how good a locus grenade is against armor tankers.

What buff? They gave us a better shield recharger, that's all. Armor plates were given an increase in rep rate or no movement penalty, etc. The downside is that the pg is so high.

I don't know many people that use shield rechargers anyway. I'm not going to sacrifice a module for faster shields. What is a shield energizer going to do when you get sniped with a charge sniper? Tbh, the shield energizer isn't really useful, imo

Complex shield energizer:
-6% shield HP
+60% shield recharge rate (!)

Advanced:
-4% shield HP
+45% shield recharge rate

Standard:
-2% shield HP
+25% shield recharge rate



Are you out of your minds?
You create terrible plates for the weaker tank and create the most overpowered shield module for the stronger tank?
Just wtf?


Edit:
Oh, and they don't require any skills!
*Clap* *Clap* *Clap*

My. Exact. Reaction.

... I mean damn, I defended Cal Logis against nerfage, but ****... didn't expect ****-everybody-else-Christmas to come early.

or if it stopped their shields from coming back for 60 seconds...lol

Hey there!

Yeah, I completely understand where you're coming from, and I can tell you that we are looking into how to better balance the two without obviously homogenizing the different statuses. So while it might seem like we aren't doing anything, that is not the case! It is in the works and we are continually looking at this data and determining how tweak it.

You're a liar and I've never had the audacity to call a developer that because I was a developer and I know how hard it is.

ANY IDIOT could have seen this coming and avoided it and CCP did it anyway. PROVE that you're looking at the stats because YOURE NOT LISTENING AT ALL.

Fix the ******* dropsuit bonuses. Give Gallente/Amarr some bonuses that make sense unlike 5% shield recharge per level on 120 shields.

I have NEVER had as much lack of faith with CCP until the release of 1.2 and its almost entirely because you not only do not care, you are lying to our faces. Go ahead, prove me wrong, show this magical fabricated "data" you've got and how you plan to unfuck everything that was done to offset this BS.

Tired of ******* waiting for people to get their **** together with this game and I promise when I'm elected in the CPM I will be CCPs worst nightmare.

You're a liar and I've never had the audacity to call a developer that because I was a developer and I know how hard it is.

ANY IDIOT could have seen this coming and avoided it and CCP did it anyway. PROVE that you're looking at the stats because YOURE NOT LISTENING AT ALL.

Fix the ******* dropsuit bonuses. Give Gallente/Amarr some bonuses that make sense unlike 5% shield recharge per level on 120 shields.

I have NEVER had as much lack of faith with CCP until the release of 1.2 and its almost entirely because you not only do not care, you are lying to our faces. Go ahead, prove me wrong, show this magical fabricated "data" you've got and how you plan to unfuck everything that was done to offset this BS.

Tired of ******* waiting for people to get their **** together with this game and I promise when I'm elected in the CPM I will be CCPs worst nightmare.

You're a liar and I've never had the audacity to call a developer that because I was a developer and I know how hard it is.

ANY IDIOT could have seen this coming and avoided it and CCP did it anyway. PROVE that you're looking at the stats because YOURE NOT LISTENING AT ALL.

Fix the ******* dropsuit bonuses. Give Gallente/Amarr some bonuses that make sense unlike 5% shield recharge per level on 120 shields.

I have NEVER had as much lack of faith with CCP until the release of 1.2 and its almost entirely because you not only do not care, you are lying to our faces. Go ahead, prove me wrong, show this magical fabricated "data" you've got and how you plan to unfuck everything that was done to offset this BS.

Tired of ******* waiting for people to get their **** together with this game and I promise when I'm elected in the CPM I will be CCPs worst nightmare.

You're a liar and I've never had the audacity to call a developer that because I was a developer and I know how hard it is.

ANY IDIOT could have seen this coming and avoided it and CCP did it anyway. PROVE that you're looking at the stats because YOURE NOT LISTENING AT ALL.

Fix the ******* dropsuit bonuses. Give Gallente/Amarr some bonuses that make sense unlike 5% shield recharge per level on 120 shields.

I have NEVER had as much lack of faith with CCP until the release of 1.2 and its almost entirely because you not only do not care, you are lying to our faces. Go ahead, prove me wrong, show this magical fabricated "data" you've got and how you plan to unfuck everything that was done to offset this BS.

Tired of ******* waiting for people to get their **** together with this game and I promise when I'm elected in the CPM I will be CCPs worst nightmare.

Hey there!

Yeah, I completely understand where you're coming from, and I can tell you that we are looking into how to better balance the two without obviously homogenizing the different statuses. So while it might seem like we aren't doing anything, that is not the case! It is in the works and we are continually looking at this data and determining how tweak it.

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH i swear ur like an automated response bot
everytime someone criticizes u guys u come in with the same style of response
"oh hey we understand and we are listening and are looking into it"

******* BULLSHIT u are

Awesome.
One and a half of the four races are now going to be in the "useless" category until they decide to get off their asses and make those things.
How nice.

And how long will it take to fix, Uprising 1.7?

lol @ CCP's data.

How about TESTING IT in a COMPETITIVE LEVEL PLAY before doing anything dumber then you've already done?

We don't need repeats of uprising because your nose is so far into spread sheets you forgot what practical play is.

No, but someone has to get angry about this because ohviously constructive criticsm is being ignored.

Hey there!
Yeah, I completely understand where you're coming from, and I can tell you that we are looking into how to better balance the two without obviously homogenizing the different statuses. So while it might seem like we aren't doing anything, that is not the case! It is in the works and we are continually looking at this data and determining how tweak it.

Hey there!

Yeah, I completely understand where you're coming from, and I can tell you that we are looking into how to better balance the two without obviously homogenizing the different statuses. So while it might seem like we aren't doing anything, that is not the case! It is in the works and we are continually looking at this data and determining how tweak it.

You know what Mintchip, I owe you an apology. I was wrong to flip out particularly on your statement and now that I've had a bit to cool off I figured Id publicly apologize for my unnecessary usage of words. Keep up the good work as a community team member and don't let assholes like myself ruin the experience for you.

Glad to see some people around have the sense to stop acting like spoilt teenage brats for a second and man up with an apology.

+1

Hey there!

Yeah, I completely understand where you're coming from, and I can tell you that we are looking into how to better balance the two without obviously homogenizing the different statuses. So while it might seem like we aren't doing anything, that is not the case! It is in the works and we are continually looking at this data and determining how tweak it.

my complex armor repairer generates 5hp a second , how fast do your shields recharge? when you are fluxed you are not dead, you are alive.. you can run. what happens when a locus nade hits an armor tanker? omg you have to wait 6 seconds holy bejeebus, no fkn way.. yeh I can get repaired, sure.. do you think I got a logi bro stuck my ass the entire game? fk no lols. And a basic repairier only does like 25hp/s , how fast does your shields recharge again? We can spec into both you say? and you can't? please stop using crap justification to hide your whining, thanks.

Doesn't change the fact that 1.2 was a mistake that is going to take another month, at the very least, to fix and I'm still not convinced CCP is listening.

What the developers need to do is experience it for themselves.

When a locus grenade hits you then you should die. Guys are trying to live forever.

On another note, while your armor is repping at 5hp/sec, your shields are still making a comeback. So, you still have added protection.

On that note if a flux grenade hits you, then you should die , my armor is 500 so it takes me 1 minute 40 seconds to fully repair my HP. A Assault ck.0 with 1 complex repairer and full shield extenders will take 24 seconds to restore his HP.

But that is the price of armor tanking. You can't have your cake, eat it, digest it, and have someone wipe your ass.

Yeah, it will take a min for your armor to repair but your shields will regenerate so you won't be vulnerable.

On that note if a flux grenade hits you, then you should die , my armor is 500 so it takes me 1 minute 40 seconds to fully repair my HP. A Assault ck.0 with 1 complex repairer and full shield extenders will take 24 seconds to restore his HP.