Are you guys aware of how godlike it is? Is there plans to nerf it down a little bit? It's getting to the point where people are just running around using nothing else specially in the Planetary Conquest that was suppose to bring Longevity to the game. Nobody will want to go up against full teams of guys using Rapid fire grenade launchers that are more than capable of killing with splash damage.

The gun is fine.

Clearly you don't play this game.

Go into some PC matches and its probably somewhere between 40-80% of all kills in a match.

Some corps are just speccing completely into flaylocks and running dual core godlock pistols.

It's need it's RoF halved and its splash radius normalized between variants.

The gun is not fine, the people who say it is are the ones going 20-1 who don't want their toys taken away

Triple or quadruple the ISK price of the gun IMO

I am sure that attitude will foster bringing new to players to a game that will need growth to survive.

Its not an isolated incident though, its not one player having the odd good game, its several players having consistent great games. You can be in as much denial as you want about the flay lock. It needs to be nerfed or at least the ISK cost tripled.
Noobs vs l33tzors what ever .its a crutch. Period.

It's only good when hit detection works properly. You can jump over the explosion.

Put up some vids to back up your claims.

Otherwise, my text is as valid as yours.

Flaylock, including Core, is fine.


For the record, doing what you suggest would eliminate the weapon from the game. Kinda like Lasers now, and to a slightly lesser degree MDs. Let me guess, you only use the AR right?

i went 66-0 with sniper rifles on occassion.

I see ar users going 30+ all the time.

if destroying newbs and kdr is the only thing we are using to balance stuff, then the ar needs to be on the top of the list for those nerfes.

Honestly,

AR, (autos), need more bullet disparity or recoil or both.

Core Flaylocks definitely need splash dmg nerf and RoF decrease.

Lets all be honest with ourselves here. I do know it's not just some people are really, really good and just happen to use Core Flaylocks and Duvolle's, and no one that is really good uses anything else. Helluva coincidence don't ya think?

Show me anyone, regardless of map, who consistently tops Duvolle or Flaylock users with any other weapon of choice. (And don't come with "well one time this sniper", because that isn't consistent). Snipers are fine honestly, they earn their kills. Scrambler Rifles are a pain, but it's harder to hit with due to not being able to just spray and therefore they are beatable.

Id say do the above, address the LAV, and yellow logi, address red line exploiters and we will have a pretty good balance to start with and make finer tweaks from that point out.

Clearly you don't play this game.

Go into some PC matches and its probably somewhere between 40-80% of all kills in a match.

Some corps are just speccing completely into flaylocks and running dual core godlock pistols.

It's need it's RoF halved and its splash radius normalized between variants.

1. It shoots missiles not baby grenades
2. It's useless till level 5 = almost 7mill sp
3. It has a three shot clip
4. It's the proficiency damage, rapid reload, an clip increase that makes it scary an for that much sp it should!
5. Instead of whinning about it or getting killed by it, follow suit an get one.
As a scout it's about the only usefull range scary weapon I can use to back up my my knives so please don't go scream nerf hammer when almost every weapon I spec into gets beat because people spec it powerful an it kills you, play smarter, evade, switch weapons , hell get one, just don't ruin mine! Shotty already got slapped from people like you so just play wiser don't cry!

Why Not Use an AR/ ScR with your Knives?

I Don't play Scout, so I don't know the Amount of fitting Resources.

I wouldn't think that Knives would take That much Fitting, since they are a Sidearm.

The gun is fine stop trying to nerf everything that comes out. If your really have a hard time vs it then shield tank. Flaylocks are good against armor not shields.

it's godmode alright. sounds dumb too.

Clearly you don't play this game.

Go into some PC matches and its probably somewhere between 40-80% of all kills in a match.

Some corps are just speccing completely into flaylocks and running dual core godlock pistols.

It's need it's RoF halved and its splash radius normalized between variants.

Anyone who says it's fine is probably the one using it.

Lol! Please just quiet down pup. Let the big dogs talk.

I don't know why your talking then little pup.thought you said the big dogs are talking. So quiet down and sit in the back.

1. It shoots missiles not baby grenades
2. It's useless till level 5 = almost 7mill sp
3. It has a three shot clip
4. It's the proficiency damage, rapid reload, an clip increase that makes it scary an for that much sp it should!
5. Instead of whinning about it or getting killed by it, follow suit an get one.
As a scout it's about the only usefull range scary weapon I can use to back up my my knives so please don't go scream nerf hammer when almost every weapon I spec into gets beat because people spec it powerful an it kills you, play smarter, evade, switch weapons , hell get one, just don't ruin mine! Shotty already got slapped from people like you so just play wiser don't cry!

It is OP for sure. I see them destroy even shield tankers. I can't dodge their splash damage, sometimes I get lucky and dodge it but it's a pistol so it reloads really quickly. It needs to be nerfed definitely. The people that say it's fine is because they're the ones going 30-0 every match. I understand it can take an armor tanker like me down pretty well but not like it is. They hit me once and I'm at below half armor. Shield tankers have a problem too. Ridiculous.

The gun is not fine, the people who say it is are the ones going 20-1 who don't want their toys taken away

Triple or quadruple the ISK price of the gun IMO

It's only good when hit detection works properly. You can jump over the explosion.

So you want to turn this into bunnyhop 514?

No thanks.

Are you guys aware of how godlike it is? Is there plans to nerf it down a little bit? It's getting to the point where people are just running around using nothing else specially in the Planetary Conquest that was suppose to bring Longevity to the game. Nobody will want to go up against full teams of guys using Rapid fire grenade launchers that are more than capable of killing with splash damage.

Are you guys aware of how godlike it is? Is there plans to nerf it down a little bit? It's getting to the point where people are just running around using nothing else specially in the Planetary Conquest that was suppose to bring Longevity to the game. Nobody will want to go up against full teams of guys using Rapid fire grenade launchers that are more than capable of killing with splash damage.

The gun is not fine, the people who say it is are the ones going 20-1 who don't want their toys taken away

Triple or quadruple the ISK price of the gun IMO

it is going to be nerfed...sorry, CCP accidentally made it too OP when they introduced it as a new [overly] good weapon

Why Not Use an AR/ ScR with your Knives?

I Don't play Scout, so I don't know the Amount of fitting Resources.

I wouldn't think that Knives would take That much Fitting, since they are a Sidearm.

7mil SP? What are you smoking sir and where can I get some? nothing, NOTHING takes 7mil SP to get into. The Core is OP nothing else, no I don't use AR's, no i don't run miltia I have a heavy and an assualt on 2 alts. Core wins everytime, coincidence? I think not.

Put up some vids to back up your claims.

Otherwise, my text is as valid as yours.

Flaylock, including Core, is fine.

I've seen this before when people are protecting things...
The duvolle tac is fine, you just need to get good, stop complaining, the viazam is not OP (chromosome), its balanced, where's the proof.


For the record, doing what you suggest would eliminate the weapon from the game. Kinda like Lasers now, and to a slightly lesser degree MDs. Let me guess, you only use the AR right?

I think the gun is really cool. It's just kind of sad how many people use it. I would hate to see an inventive weapon be nerfed to oblivion. I would hope that PG/CPU values are increased before any other stat changes hit the weapon. Making it harder to carry 2 of them and fit decent modules all around should be the goal of balancing this thing out.

7,463,520 do the math before you make yourself look stupid https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AmaDmQ0quOz3dEFPWktkUWdZcVpMWnRZSDRkZDFzUkE&pli=1&pli=1&pli=1&pli=1
That's the skill chart tell me I'm wrong!

I don't see it as abuse. That's what it does. The problem is how much persistant fire this thing can lay down with 2 of them equipped and it's fast reload time. Adjust those factors before you try to justify having a miniature rocket launcher that fires explosives that somehow only have a basketball size explosion. Or a weapon that has the concussion force of an airhorn. I just don't like games that have really awesome weapons, that make no sense in action.

I did some experiments last night and found the actual rate of fire(or at least close to it) at 105 RPM(for comparison using the same methodology used below the mass driver is 58 RPM - which is less than 4% off of what the documentation says which is 60 RPM).

Coincidentally the mass driver and the flaylock both take the same amount of time to fire all of their ammo(27s including reloads which makes this next part a better comparison). Damage for the entire amount is similar for direct damage at the prototype level but far off for splash damage. 266.2 direct and 127.6 splash on Freedom Mass driver, 239.8 direct and 214.5 splash on the Core Flaylock.

That is 4791.6 potential direct damage(266.2*18 shots) and 2296.8 splash damage for the Freedom Mass Driver(47.9% splash compared to direct damage).

That is 5035.8 potential direct damage(239.8*21 shots) and 4504.5 splash damage for the Core Flaylock Pistol(89.45% splash compared to direct damage).

Direct damage is fine(it takes some skill to get direct hits) but the splash damage is severely disproportionate to other weapons with splash damage.


TL;DR

For proper weapon balancing direct damage should remain the same but the splash damage should be reduced by half. The splash radius is fine on the Core Flaylock but it does need to be adjusted on the standard and advanced models(I would suggest increasing them to 1.75m and 1.85m).


RPM Methodology
Methodology: take fully stocked standard flaylock, create macro on mouse to trigger m1 every 60ms, hold fire until rounds finished, time with stopwatch.

Average time to finish rounds is 27s(makes it easier - actual times were 27.78, 27.56 ,26.83, 26.95, 26.70 ,26.92 - actual average of 27.1s or 27.061s removing the upper and lower outliers).

21 rounds
2.5s reload
3 rounds per clip
21 / 3 = 7 clips
7 - 1 = 6 reloads(no reload after last clip)
6 * 2.5 = 15s reload time

27 - 15 = 12s to fire all 21 rounds

21 / 12 = 1.75 rounds per second
1.75 * 60s = 105 RPM
END RPM Methodology





Flaylock Pistol Operation - 621,920 - required - spec into
Flaylock Pistol Proficiency - 1,554,920 - very useful - spec into
Flaylock Pistol Rapid Reload - 1,865,920 - mildly useful(2.5s reload down to 1.88s reload) - do not spec as you can kill most suits in 1 clip)
Flaylock Pistol Fitting Optimization - 1,865,920 - nearly worthless - do not spec unless you need a single PG on the core flaylock(no effect on other variants)
Flaylock Pistol Ammo Capacity - 932,920 - mildly useful - an extra 5 shots - do not spec, advanced nanohives are a better investment than this skill

While you are technically correct you are realistically wrong. Just over 2 million to fully utilize this weapon, just under another 5 for nearly useless bonuses(they are placeholder bonuses and may eventually become useful but as it is nobody will have fully specced into flaylock pistols).

[Hey genius dumb dumb, now that you proved how smart you are that post was for the knob that said no weapon in the game takes a total 7 million sp to skill into fully that was the proof hence the skill chart not that anyone would fully but that was the point.!
Tha fact that you had to get all math god mod means you can't read and spend your time trying to prove people wrong all the time an probably live alone with 8 cats.
I never said to skill it all the way , I said to do so costs over 7 million an I think everyone knows that shyts a waste of time so tell me mister smarty pants do you feel like a genius all proud still ?
Or like a moron that didn't read?!

2. It's useless till level 5 = almost 7mill sp

Hey genius dumb dumb, now that you proved how smart you are that post was for the knob that said no weapon in the game takes a total 7 million sp to skill into fully that was the proof hence the skill chart not that anyone would fully but that was the point.!
Tha fact that you had to get all math god mod means you can't read and spend your time trying to prove people wrong all the time an probably live alone with 8 cats.
I never said to skill it all the way , I said to do so costs over 7 million an I think everyone knows that shyts a waste of time so tell me mister smarty pants do you feel like a genius all proud still ?
Or like a moron that didn't read?!

1. It shoots missiles not baby grenades
2. It's useless till level 5 = almost 7mill sp
3. It has a three shot clip
4. It's the proficiency damage, rapid reload, an clip increase that makes it scary an for that much sp it should!
5. Instead of whinning about it or getting killed by it, follow suit an get one.
As a scout it's about the only usefull range scary weapon I can use to back up my my knives so please don't go scream nerf hammer when almost every weapon I spec into gets beat because people spec it powerful an it kills you, play smarter, evade, switch weapons , hell get one, just don't ruin mine! Shotty already got slapped from people like you so just play wiser don't cry!

I think he proved himself pretty smart and shot your BS argument full of holes. Saying the gun isn't out of balance because it takes a lot of SP is not a valid argument. If everyone knows it's a waste of time why did you try to use it in your argument to begin with? He did his homework and demonstrated how the flaylock does not require accuracy to very quickly dish out crazy damage.

No matter what they do to it a skilled player will get you with it repeatedly an that's what they don't understand,.
Make it a six shooter- rock 2
Increase CPU - sidearm operation optimization an core skills
Reduce splash damage- flux nade shoot the chest 3x
- back em into a corner nades shoot the wall same as Md
Rof change -shoot switch to other faylock shoot again run behind corner reload both

The weapons here an if people could aim good with a shotty that would be the problem, it's never gonna end with splash damage weapons cuz their unpridictable an anyone can use them so evyone will same as AR .
Don't see everybody getting 25 kill s with knives because it's hard, there for people don't complain but if you got knifed 100 times a day everyone would scream op cuz that's how everyone is, if it's popular it's op

i hope so. they've got to drop the splash damage. it's tougher than a prototype massdriver.

bare minimum make sure the person using an explosion radius weapon is going to take damage from it. how many *****-lock pistols have you seen firing straight down at the ground in front of you? how many have you seen 50 feet overhead using a pistol as a crowd control device?

make people use the pistol like a pistol, or make people kill themselves with the splash.

they introduced it prenerfed it actually needs a radius buff, but the fire rate, and reload speed need a nerf

7,463,520 do the math before you make yourself look stupid https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AmaDmQ0quOz3dEFPWktkUWdZcVpMWnRZSDRkZDFzUkE&pli=1&pli=1&pli=1&pli=1
That's the skill chart tell me I'm wrong!

just make it a primary weapon so players cant carry 2 into battle.

and reduce its rof..

Everyone knew it had crazy damage when it came out 2 months ago where we're you?
I didn't change hell read the damage all the numbers are in the specs, you think cuz a guy gets a stop watch an tests it a home pretending he works for ccp then hunts a thread to prove himself right when THE NUMBERS ARE ALREADY POSTED NEXT TO THE GUN , LIKE HE'S THE FIRST ONE TO READ IT!
An he did his home work an I gotta respect that man get real adapt or die!
Everybody got a AR or cal logi or contact nades or a faylock so if your smart enough to get a good weapon that's easy to kill with people do that's how it is!
So don't get all prove this dude wrong crap on me I said 7 million fully not that anyone would I didn't !
But I said it cuz its a time game eventually everyone s hear will be at five just out of boredom yrs fro
Now!
Man get real wasting my time on some children post!

You are absolutely correct that it's balanced with other sidearms in regards to direct damage. It is not balanced with any weapon that has splash damage.

Indeed.

Reduce the faglocks to 20 points lower then the MD, and also wimpify the radius.

It's a one inch rocket for Pete's sake!

It shouldn't have as much splash as a big grenade from a grenade launcher!

The TTK on this thing is way too low. It could use a nerf on its rate of fire. I'm hesitant to ask for more nerfs than that as the weapon does take some skill to use.

It's either gonna be inanely useless or a unnoticeable change either way nobody will be happy with the results I mean it's a friggen rocket launcher what do people expect to happen there basically asking for a different weapon

No pistol should be a damn grenade launcher if we gotta putup with such a joke of a weapon break the hell out of it.

Complain on the forums until it gets balanced?

Honestly,

AR, (autos), need more bullet disparity or recoil or both.

Core Flaylocks definitely need splash dmg nerf and RoF decrease.

Lets all be honest with ourselves here. I do know it's not just some people are really, really good and just happen to use Core Flaylocks and Duvolle's, and no one that is really good uses anything else. Helluva coincidence don't ya think?

Show me anyone, regardless of map, who consistently tops Duvolle or Flaylock users with any other weapon of choice. (And don't come with "well one time this sniper", because that isn't consistent). Snipers are fine honestly, they earn their kills. Scrambler Rifles are a pain, but it's harder to hit with due to not being able to just spray and therefore they are beatable.

Id say do the above, address the LAV, and yellow logi, address red line exploiters and we will have a pretty good balance to start with and make finer tweaks from that point out.

Agreed the ARs have become way to easy to use atleast in the last build you had to tap the trigger now you just hold... i loved the hold release hold when firing with the old ARs firstly it took disipline to use which meant less deaths for me due to scrubs sprayed like mad and secondly was more of a challange.

As for the flaylocks, CCP has been doing a great job of balancing everything until this flaylock came out its like the all answer weapon which it shouldn't be if anything the AR should be the all answer weapon due to its well rounded. hope CCP seriously reconciders the flaylocks stats.

The LAVs need to be looked at, i think the answer to most of the LAV problems can be solved with more flux weapons eg flux AVs or flux swarms... oh if they would hurry up with those flux proxys would be nice.

Agreed the ARs have become way to easy to use atleast in the last build you had to tap the trigger now you just hold... i loved the hold release hold when firing with the old ARs firstly it took disipline to use which meant less deaths for me due to scrubs sprayed like mad and secondly was more of a challange.

As for the flaylocks, CCP has been doing a great job of balancing everything until this flaylock came out its like the all answer weapon which it shouldn't be if anything the AR should be the all answer weapon due to its well rounded. hope CCP seriously reconciders the flaylocks stats.

The LAVs need to be looked at, i think the answer to most of the LAV problems can be solved with more flux weapons eg flux AVs or flux swarms... oh if they would hurry up with those flux proxys would be nice.

'AR should be the all answer weapon'
Just. No

Put up some vids to back up your claims.

Otherwise, my text is as valid as yours.

Flaylock, including Core, is fine.


For the record, doing what you suggest would eliminate the weapon from the game. Kinda like Lasers now, and to a slightly lesser degree MDs. Let me guess, you only use the AR right?

Keep the splash as that is literally what separates it form the other pistols, otherwise it just becomes another pistol, but have the range cut down to 20 and have a long load time for the weapon, since we are indeed loading self propelled micro missile ammunition here. If need be cut the direct damage down by 30% and raise splash damage by a smaller amount, making it the crowd control weapon it is. The aspect of a larger radius that can hurt the player easier will give it a minimum and maximum range.

The way I see it, a three shot volley should be able to destroy all your armor if you get flanked by it. So a heavy with his shields blown should be able to be killed within that quick 3 shot volley (again when his shields are blown). This thing should suck against shields entirely but able to utilize splash to keep out of direct sight until shields are gone, thus utilizing splash as more of a skill mechanic rather than a lazy mechanic.

I'm sure I'm going to get flack for this, and I also want to remind people that sidearms should not equal suckage. But it should have a niche killing role, and in this case ***close range unshielded opponets***. That is the role that I see for this weapon, if you lack shields this thing should drop you in seconds if you are within 20 of your opponent

There only op when ur not looking at the guy blasting you into the sky because of the unawareness people are crying, but if a guys shooting three shots an ur jumping with a a smg you ll kill him no problem

So you are proposing to increase the splash damage, which is the only thing wrong with the weapon right now(except perhaps the rate of fire).

They flaylock is not a crowd control weapon - a crowd control weapon leaves people time to disperse and is not meant to quiclky kill.

Most people use the flaylock within 20m anyway, changing reload time won't make a difference, direct damage is in line with other sidearms but splash damage is not(you can tell when the enemy is shooting at the ground, they almost always are).

We can worry about balancing later... they need to emergency patch this thing into the ground until they can figure out real balance for it.

CCP you have to fix this gun. If not this game will die. All you have keeping this game alive is the vets playing it. We will get burnt out losing ISK and districts to no talent players using crutches. You guys fix one crutch but it takes you so long they can jump onto the other knowing they have a good 2 months of using the new crutch.

7,463,520 do the math before you make yourself look stupid https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AmaDmQ0quOz3dEFPWktkUWdZcVpMWnRZSDRkZDFzUkE&pli=1&pli=1&pli=1&pli=1
That's the skill chart tell me I'm wrong!

The point of a sidearm is to give you a backup weapon in case your primary goes down for whatever reason (jam, empty magazine, etc.) The flaylock is a sidearm being used in lieu of a primary, which to me is pretty telling. The flaylock should be a "I need to quickly escape and reload my primary/retreat/whatever," or "I almost got him, just a little more to finish him off," not "I'm going to attack using this exclusively and rely on splash damage to get kills."

To this end, I recommend cutting down the ammo per magazine on it. The splash can stay ridiculous as it is, the main problem seems to be that you can shoot 4-5 times (assuming you have minmatar assault suit skill up) in rapid succession, which honestly does garauntee kills in most cases. If it was perhaps one shot per reload, that would make it more of a backup, either to cover your retreat or finish off your enemy since pulling a sidearm is faster than reloading. Perhaps with minmatar assault skill at 5, you can have two (maybe, MAYBE 3) shots before needing to reload, so people speccing into minmatar can have it close to what it is today, but with more of a skill investment.

The fact that a pistol has more splash damage than a rocket launcher designed for vehicles at the same meta level (meta 1 flaylock pistol has 195 splash dmg, ST-1 missile launcher has 175) is pretty ridiculous, but if thats what ccp intended (hopefully it wasn't) then you shouldn't get better performance than a VEHICLE TURRET all around. Hit the ammo capacity, the splash radius, or the splash damage itself. I wouldn't say all of them together, but at least one of them, imo the ammo per magazine to 1, max ammo 5 (including round in chamber).

I said to reduce direct damage by 30% to make it below the other firearms and then have a higher splash damage. If you guys essentially neuter the splash to essentially make direct hits the only viable shot, then this pistol is no different than any other of the pistols (now and future) and we might as well not have it in the game if its going to function like an ordinary pistol.

Did they put in an emergency patch for the TAC or the Cal Logi?

Endure it until they address it (which I think will be soon) or dont play.

Neither the cal logi, nor the tac, were so bad that multiple corporations have had to make an agreement to ban their use from PC matches.

Please shut up with this nonsense.

The TAC was getting just as much QQ if not more and was killing just as fast and from range.

TAC was not nerfed hard (as the poster above wants with FP), it was brought in line correctly which will happen with this.

And in Dust, sidearms can be a main weapon so that argument is irrelevant.

Stop crying like babies and wait for CCP to deal with it.

The Tactical was nerfed into oblivion, completely ruining the whole reason I used it in the first place; it wasn't a semi automatic fast as you can fire the trigger weapon. Now they're going to nerf the Flaylock into oblivion because you whiny forum idiots are on the Nerf It Bandwagon, STOP POSTING ALL OF YOU, YOU ARE THE PEOPLE KILLING THIS GAME.

Good day.

You are wrong, I counted weaponry 5, sidearm operation 5 and all flaylock pistol skills to five at well under 6 mil.

That calculation was for the weapon an all skills for the weapon, nice try add again

The Flaylock is just fine as is, considering the amount of SP you need to be a force with it. I agree adapt, don't cry nerf every time something kills ya. It's not fair to the people who took the time to spec into something, just to see it get nerfed down 3 weeks after they get the skill up enough to be effective with it. They just got the range on weapons good to go (IMO) which if you notice, the Flaylock has a mid level range that is far less than any AR. I would say if they are that much of a problem for someone then just back the hell up. I get killed more by Mass Drivers than I do the Flaylocks. So I suppose if they nerf the Flaylock they should nerf the MD as well. Just my opinion.

Ya you can't nerf the flaylock! I spent 17M SP on it!!! Weaponry 5 side arm 5 Flaylock5 core upgrades 5 shields 5 armor5 + more!!!

Ps I been playing for 6 months without th weapons I just got an ya faylocks a problem that's why I spec into other things , name of the game cry baby, u don't scream nerf cuz you don't have the sp you make it an fix the problem YOURSELF!

I never had a problem with the power of the TAC....my problem was with the modded controller being used and turning it into a full auto. Bottom line is this, no matter what the weapon, people are gonna exploit anything they can to win. It was the HMG, then the laser rifle, then the TAC and MD,,,,,now its the Flaylock.....See the pattern here. I just don't see CCP nerfing every new weapon that comes out. As I said, I would be more worried about balancing.

At least I didn't shoot you with a Flaylock.

Lol rather that then your obliterating forge gun from a spot on the map that nobody can get to without a drop ship that you'll just blast out of the sky before it gets there lol

Lol rather that then your obliterating forge gun from a spot on the map that nobody can get to without a drop ship that you'll just blast out of the sky before it gets there lol

1. It shoots missiles not baby grenades
2. It's useless till level 5 = almost 7mill sp
3. It has a three shot clip
4. It's the proficiency damage, rapid reload, an clip increase that makes it scary an foyr that much sp it should!
5. Instead of whinning about it or getting killed by it, follow suit an get one.
As a scout it's about the only usefull range scary weapon I can use to back up my my knives so please don't go scream nerf hammer when almost every weapon I spec into gets beat because people spec it powerful an it kills you, play smarter, evade, switch weapons , hell get one, just don't ruin mine! Shotty already got slapped from people like you so just play wiser don't cry!

Last match I shot you in I was on the low roof of the small building next to "C" on the Ashland map. That you got up there, past a pack of my team mates, to return the favor with a nova was awesome and proves it wasn't inaccessible. Still got to blast a drop ship too. Besides, I end up doing more ground side forging than tower forging.

I second this, seriously. 3 shots per clip, useless til at least level 4. It has a 1.5 splash radius which isn't much. And it's only good close range. So stfu and stop crying about flays, I even heard that the lav impact dmg is op lol like seriously? Do you get ran over by a car and live at full or mid speed? HELLO. It isn't op and doesn't need a nerf. The shotgun already got fked sometimes it shoots blanks. The mass driver got screwed and is slowly is getting better. So crying and learn some freaking tactics, don't stand still and shoot. Don't forget about your grenades. Don't move in predictable patterns. Don't get owned by a flaylock.

Seriously if they nerf the flay they better give me a respect. I spent $200 and something dollars to support this game and bought mercenary, vetren and elite pack. If they did screw the flay I will just quit and spend money else where. The game is fine as is besides the random lag. People who qq about nerf need to get good. I can own a flaylocker with a military smg and jumping around with a freaking dragonfly scout suit . The time it takes for them to reload I use a flux and spray them , oh did you know the flay lock also hurts the player when noob team members run right in front. A third of my deaths are maybe that. A flay locker has to be exposed to use it because he can't the chance of suicide. Get good and stop crying.

Lol! Please just quiet down pup. Let the big dogs talk.

Ha I have been in my proto suit with over 500 shield and 200+ armor, and I have been litterally single shot killed by them on occasion.

Usually you just hear BLAM BLAM BLAM (In less than a second) and your dead. (If not before that even , as absurd as it sounds) I have corp mates that have been single shot in heavy suits! Obviously something is wrong.

To clarify -

I DONT want the weapon nerfed into oblivion, however I think rate of fire adjustments might be the way to go.

Are you guys aware of how godlike it is? Is there plans to nerf it down a little bit? It's getting to the point where people are just running around using nothing else specially in the Planetary Conquest that was suppose to bring Longevity to the game. Nobody will want to go up against full teams of guys using Rapid fire grenade launchers that are more than capable of killing with splash damage.

I second this, seriously. 3 shots per clip, useless til at least level 4. It has a 1.5 splash radius which isn't much. And it's only good close range. So stfu and stop crying about flays, I even heard that the lav impact dmg is op lol like seriously? Do you get ran over by a car and live at full or mid speed? HELLO. It isn't op and doesn't need a nerf. The shotgun already got fked sometimes it shoots blanks. The mass driver got screwed and is slowly is getting better. So crying and learn some freaking tactics, don't stand still and shoot. Don't forget about your grenades. Don't move in predictable patterns. Don't get owned by a flaylock.

Seriously if they nerf the flay they better give me a respect. I spent $200 and something dollars to support this game and bought mercenary, vetren and elite pack. If they did screw the flay I will just quit and spend money else where. The game is fine as is besides the random lag. People who qq about nerf need to get good. I can own a flaylocker with a military smg and jumping around with a freaking dragonfly scout suit . The time it takes for them to reload I use a flux and spray them , oh did you know the flay lock also hurts the player when noob team members run right in front. A third of my deaths are maybe that. A flay locker has to be exposed to use it because he can't the chance of suicide. Get good and stop crying.

Not my fault you depend on a crutch to get kills. If you were any good you would be in a real LoI corp.

Lmfao aren't u in the starter corp?

I'm in the corp that's crushing your alliance

Then stop hiding behind an alt. and post using your main. Its just good manners.

I can't or I would. Pretty sure the name should clearly give away the main. If not you are nobody.