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XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.30 10:43:00 -
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Are you guys aware of how godlike it is? Is there plans to nerf it down a little bit? It's getting to the point where people are just running around using nothing else specially in the Planetary Conquest that was suppose to bring Longevity to the game. Nobody will want to go up against full teams of guys using Rapid fire grenade launchers that are more than capable of killing with splash damage. |
Sgt Buttscratch
G I A N T EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.30 14:04:00 -
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I want to see a fluxlock version, switched shield/armor damage bonus' |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.06.30 16:06:00 -
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It's only good when hit detection works properly. You can jump over the explosion. |
Altina McAlterson
Not Guilty EoN.
573
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Posted - 2013.06.30 16:09:00 -
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Honestly I'd be fine if they cut the splash radius on the proto to 1.5m and adjusted the rest accordingly. Maybe 1.5, 1.3, 1.0. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2013.06.30 16:55:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Are you guys aware of how godlike it is? Is there plans to nerf it down a little bit? It's getting to the point where people are just running around using nothing else specially in the Planetary Conquest that was suppose to bring Longevity to the game. Nobody will want to go up against full teams of guys using Rapid fire grenade launchers that are more than capable of killing with splash damage.
The gun is fine. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.30 17:00:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Are you guys aware of how godlike it is? Is there plans to nerf it down a little bit? It's getting to the point where people are just running around using nothing else specially in the Planetary Conquest that was suppose to bring Longevity to the game. Nobody will want to go up against full teams of guys using Rapid fire grenade launchers that are more than capable of killing with splash damage. The gun is fine.
Clearly you don't play this game.
Go into some PC matches and its probably somewhere between 40-80% of all kills in a match.
Some corps are just speccing completely into flaylocks and running dual core godlock pistols.
It's need it's RoF halved and its splash radius normalized between variants. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2013.06.30 17:25:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Buster Friently wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Are you guys aware of how godlike it is? Is there plans to nerf it down a little bit? It's getting to the point where people are just running around using nothing else specially in the Planetary Conquest that was suppose to bring Longevity to the game. Nobody will want to go up against full teams of guys using Rapid fire grenade launchers that are more than capable of killing with splash damage. The gun is fine. Clearly you don't play this game. Go into some PC matches and its probably somewhere between 40-80% of all kills in a match. Some corps are just speccing completely into flaylocks and running dual core godlock pistols. It's need it's RoF halved and its splash radius normalized between variants.
Put up some vids to back up your claims.
Otherwise, my text is as valid as yours.
Flaylock, including Core, is fine.
For the record, doing what you suggest would eliminate the weapon from the game. Kinda like Lasers now, and to a slightly lesser degree MDs. Let me guess, you only use the AR right? |
alec trebec
Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack
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Posted - 2013.06.30 18:00:00 -
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The gun is not fine, the people who say it is are the ones going 20-1 who don't want their toys taken away
Triple or quadruple the ISK price of the gun IMO |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
352
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Posted - 2013.06.30 18:02:00 -
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alec trebec wrote:The gun is not fine, the people who say it is are the ones going 20-1 who don't want their toys taken away
Triple or quadruple the ISK price of the gun IMO
i went 66-0 with sniper rifles on occassion.
I see ar users going 30+ all the time.
if destroying newbs and kdr is the only thing we are using to balance stuff, then the ar needs to be on the top of the list for those nerfes. |
alec trebec
Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack
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Posted - 2013.06.30 18:08:00 -
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I am sure that attitude will foster bringing new to players to a game that will need growth to survive. |
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
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Posted - 2013.06.30 18:17:00 -
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alec trebec wrote:I am sure that attitude will foster bringing new to players to a game that will need growth to survive.
....is that your justification for your flawed argument?
if a player has a good game and gets a good kdr the weapon must be broken, and as long as it's not the AR wiping everyone off the map it should be removed because it hurts the new player experience? |
alec trebec
Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack
1
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Posted - 2013.06.30 19:26:00 -
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Its not an isolated incident though, its not one player having the odd good game, its several players having consistent great games. You can be in as much denial as you want about the flay lock. It needs to be nerfed or at least the ISK cost tripled. Noobs vs l33tzors what ever .its a crutch. Period. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
817
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Posted - 2013.06.30 20:32:00 -
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alec trebec wrote:Its not an isolated incident though, its not one player having the odd good game, its several players having consistent great games. You can be in as much denial as you want about the flay lock. It needs to be nerfed or at least the ISK cost tripled. Noobs vs l33tzors what ever .its a crutch. Period.
No, it doesn't. Go back to your AR and STFU.
You get good at the flaylock and then talk about whether it's OP or not.
It doesn't help that most AR users think that they're "good" and therefore anything, or anyone that kills them consistently must be OP.
L2P. |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.30 23:01:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:It's only good when hit detection works properly. You can jump over the explosion.
ONLY works WHEN hit detection works properly? Lol! I am not judging your fine judge of character but you make it sound like that's 7shots out of 100 Realistically it's more like 90-100 shots do the 250-300 dmg splash (with dmg mods and proficiency) When people are dual wielding that's 6-8 shots let's say 2 of those shots (still not realistic but for fun) do no damage. that's still 800-1000 damage EASY. |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.30 23:02:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Buster Friently wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Are you guys aware of how godlike it is? Is there plans to nerf it down a little bit? It's getting to the point where people are just running around using nothing else specially in the Planetary Conquest that was suppose to bring Longevity to the game. Nobody will want to go up against full teams of guys using Rapid fire grenade launchers that are more than capable of killing with splash damage. The gun is fine. Clearly you don't play this game. Go into some PC matches and its probably somewhere between 40-80% of all kills in a match. Some corps are just speccing completely into flaylocks and running dual core godlock pistols. It's need it's RoF halved and its splash radius normalized between variants. Put up some vids to back up your claims. Otherwise, my text is as valid as yours. Flaylock, including Core, is fine. For the record, doing what you suggest would eliminate the weapon from the game. Kinda like Lasers now, and to a slightly lesser degree MDs. Let me guess, you only use the AR right?
Lol! Do you even Dust bro? |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
595
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Posted - 2013.06.30 23:03:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:alec trebec wrote:The gun is not fine, the people who say it is are the ones going 20-1 who don't want their toys taken away
Triple or quadruple the ISK price of the gun IMO i went 66-0 with sniper rifles on occassion. I see ar users going 30+ all the time. if destroying newbs and kdr is the only thing we are using to balance stuff, then the ar needs to be on the top of the list for those nerfes.
You don't even PC.. |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.01 19:40:00 -
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Bump |
Revelations 514
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.01 19:43:00 -
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Honestly,
AR, (autos), need more bullet disparity or recoil or both.
Core Flaylocks definitely need splash dmg nerf and RoF decrease.
Lets all be honest with ourselves here. I do know it's not just some people are really, really good and just happen to use Core Flaylocks and Duvolle's, and no one that is really good uses anything else. Helluva coincidence don't ya think?
Show me anyone, regardless of map, who consistently tops Duvolle or Flaylock users with any other weapon of choice. (And don't come with "well one time this sniper", because that isn't consistent). Snipers are fine honestly, they earn their kills. Scrambler Rifles are a pain, but it's harder to hit with due to not being able to just spray and therefore they are beatable.
Id say do the above, address the LAV, and yellow logi, address red line exploiters and we will have a pretty good balance to start with and make finer tweaks from that point out. |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.01 19:45:00 -
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Revelations 514 wrote:Honestly,
AR, (autos), need more bullet disparity or recoil or both.
Core Flaylocks definitely need splash dmg nerf and RoF decrease.
Lets all be honest with ourselves here. I do know it's not just some people are really, really good and just happen to use Core Flaylocks and Duvolle's, and no one that is really good uses anything else. Helluva coincidence don't ya think?
Show me anyone, regardless of map, who consistently tops Duvolle or Flaylock users with any other weapon of choice. (And don't come with "well one time this sniper", because that isn't consistent). Snipers are fine honestly, they earn their kills. Scrambler Rifles are a pain, but it's harder to hit with due to not being able to just spray and therefore they are beatable.
Id say do the above, address the LAV, and yellow logi, address red line exploiters and we will have a pretty good balance to start with and make finer tweaks from that point out.
The auto Scrambler can spray can't it? |
OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
39
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Posted - 2013.07.02 00:22:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Buster Friently wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Are you guys aware of how godlike it is? Is there plans to nerf it down a little bit? It's getting to the point where people are just running around using nothing else specially in the Planetary Conquest that was suppose to bring Longevity to the game. Nobody will want to go up against full teams of guys using Rapid fire grenade launchers that are more than capable of killing with splash damage. The gun is fine. Clearly you don't play this game. Go into some PC matches and its probably somewhere between 40-80% of all kills in a match. Some corps are just speccing completely into flaylocks and running dual core godlock pistols. It's need it's RoF halved and its splash radius normalized between variants. 1. It shoots missiles not baby grenades 2. It's useless till level 5 = almost 7mill sp 3. It has a three shot clip 4. It's the proficiency damage, rapid reload, an clip increase that makes it scary an for that much sp it should! 5. Instead of whinning about it or getting killed by it, follow suit an get one. As a scout it's about the only usefull range scary weapon I can use to back up my my knives so please don't go scream nerf hammer when almost every weapon I spec into gets beat because people spec it powerful an it kills you, play smarter, evade, switch weapons , hell get one, just don't ruin mine! Shotty already got slapped from people like you so just play wiser don't cry! |
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Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
121
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Posted - 2013.07.02 00:41:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Buster Friently wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Are you guys aware of how godlike it is? Is there plans to nerf it down a little bit? It's getting to the point where people are just running around using nothing else specially in the Planetary Conquest that was suppose to bring Longevity to the game. Nobody will want to go up against full teams of guys using Rapid fire grenade launchers that are more than capable of killing with splash damage. The gun is fine. Clearly you don't play this game. Go into some PC matches and its probably somewhere between 40-80% of all kills in a match. Some corps are just speccing completely into flaylocks and running dual core godlock pistols. It's need it's RoF halved and its splash radius normalized between variants. 1. It shoots missiles not baby grenades 2. It's useless till level 5 = almost 7mill sp 3. It has a three shot clip 4. It's the proficiency damage, rapid reload, an clip increase that makes it scary an for that much sp it should! 5. Instead of whinning about it or getting killed by it, follow suit an get one. As a scout it's about the only usefull range scary weapon I can use to back up my my knives so please don't go scream nerf hammer when almost every weapon I spec into gets beat because people spec it powerful an it kills you, play smarter, evade, switch weapons , hell get one, just don't ruin mine! Shotty already got slapped from people like you so just play wiser don't cry! Why Not Use an AR/ ScR with your Knives?
I Don't play Scout, so I don't know the Amount of fitting Resources.
I wouldn't think that Knives would take That much Fitting, since they are a Sidearm. |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.02 03:24:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:OZAROW wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Buster Friently wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Are you guys aware of how godlike it is? Is there plans to nerf it down a little bit? It's getting to the point where people are just running around using nothing else specially in the Planetary Conquest that was suppose to bring Longevity to the game. Nobody will want to go up against full teams of guys using Rapid fire grenade launchers that are more than capable of killing with splash damage. The gun is fine. Clearly you don't play this game. Go into some PC matches and its probably somewhere between 40-80% of all kills in a match. Some corps are just speccing completely into flaylocks and running dual core godlock pistols. It's need it's RoF halved and its splash radius normalized between variants. 1. It shoots missiles not baby grenades 2. It's useless till level 5 = almost 7mill sp 3. It has a three shot clip 4. It's the proficiency damage, rapid reload, an clip increase that makes it scary an for that much sp it should! 5. Instead of whinning about it or getting killed by it, follow suit an get one. As a scout it's about the only usefull range scary weapon I can use to back up my my knives so please don't go scream nerf hammer when almost every weapon I spec into gets beat because people spec it powerful an it kills you, play smarter, evade, switch weapons , hell get one, just don't ruin mine! Shotty already got slapped from people like you so just play wiser don't cry! Why Not Use an AR/ ScR with your Knives? I Don't play Scout, so I don't know the Amount of fitting Resources. I wouldn't think that Knives would take That much Fitting, since they are a Sidearm.
Look at the knives in marketplace. |
RA Drahcir
Psygod9 RISE of LEGION
2
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Posted - 2013.07.02 04:11:00 -
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it is going to be nerfed...sorry, CCP accidentally made it too OP when they introduced it as a new [overly] good weapon |
first sgt cotman
Psygod9 RISE of LEGION
5
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Posted - 2013.07.02 04:46:00 -
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The gun is fine stop trying to nerf everything that comes out. If your really have a hard time vs it then shield tank. Flaylocks are good against armor not shields. |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.02 13:02:00 -
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first sgt cotman wrote:The gun is fine stop trying to nerf everything that comes out. If your really have a hard time vs it then shield tank. Flaylocks are good against armor not shields.
Lol! Please just quiet down pup. Let the big dogs talk. |
Oso Peresoso
RisingSuns
66
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:51:00 -
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normalize blast radius for most variants (make increased blast radius/decreased damage one of the variants), including buffing the blast radius on the basic variant so it IS a useful weapon without only going for the proto-variant. Then the people who did sink points into it won't have a completely useless weapon, they'll just have a big SP investment into a non-godlike one, which will still be good because of their big SP investment. If a weapon is only good after putting 7m SP into it or whatever, and then its absolutely super-good, then that's a sign of imbalance. |
Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:55:00 -
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it's godmode alright. sounds dumb too. |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:02:00 -
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Niuvo wrote:it's godmode alright. sounds dumb too.
You have no idea. Imagine a whole team full of decent players using them. It's hectic specially in city maps. |
nukel head
Knights of No Republic
30
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:09:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Buster Friently wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Are you guys aware of how godlike it is? Is there plans to nerf it down a little bit? It's getting to the point where people are just running around using nothing else specially in the Planetary Conquest that was suppose to bring Longevity to the game. Nobody will want to go up against full teams of guys using Rapid fire grenade launchers that are more than capable of killing with splash damage. The gun is fine. Clearly you don't play this game. Go into some PC matches and its probably somewhere between 40-80% of all kills in a match. Some corps are just speccing completely into flaylocks and running dual core godlock pistols. It's need it's RoF halved and its splash radius normalized between variants.
Anyone who says it's fine is probably the one using it. |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:11:00 -
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nukel head wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Buster Friently wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Are you guys aware of how godlike it is? Is there plans to nerf it down a little bit? It's getting to the point where people are just running around using nothing else specially in the Planetary Conquest that was suppose to bring Longevity to the game. Nobody will want to go up against full teams of guys using Rapid fire grenade launchers that are more than capable of killing with splash damage. The gun is fine. Clearly you don't play this game. Go into some PC matches and its probably somewhere between 40-80% of all kills in a match. Some corps are just speccing completely into flaylocks and running dual core godlock pistols. It's need it's RoF halved and its splash radius normalized between variants. Anyone who says it's fine is probably the one using it.
Sad but true that statement appplies to At LEAST 80% who say it is fine. |
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