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Xero The Mishima
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Posted - 2013.07.08 20:46:00 -
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Still plaguing the game faster than ever. It's growing rapidly. |
Xero The Mishima
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Posted - 2013.07.09 05:45:00 -
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Even scrubs like Alina Heart are trying to Dual Wield them! All the bad Eve players are using them a lot more. The game becomes a bigger joke by the day. It NEEDS to be fixed ASAP The direct dmg and Splash dmg is nearly identical the ROF is rapid and it cost next to nothing to equip a proto one. It does more damage than its primary relative (Mass Driver) |
Xero The Mishima
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Posted - 2013.07.09 16:43:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Are you guys aware of how godlike it is? Is there plans to nerf it down a little bit? It's getting to the point where people are just running around using nothing else specially in the Planetary Conquest that was suppose to bring Longevity to the game. Nobody will want to go up against full teams of guys using Rapid fire grenade launchers that are more than capable of killing with splash damage.
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Xero The Mishima
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Posted - 2013.07.10 05:37:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Are you guys aware of how godlike it is? Is there plans to nerf it down a little bit? It's getting to the point where people are just running around using nothing else specially in the Planetary Conquest that was suppose to bring Longevity to the game. Nobody will want to go up against full teams of guys using Rapid fire grenade launchers that are more than capable of killing with splash damage.
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Xero The Mishima
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Posted - 2013.07.10 17:28:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:No matter what they do to it a skilled player will get you with it repeatedly an that's what they don't understand,. Make it a six shooter- rock 2 Increase CPU - sidearm operation optimization an core skills Reduce splash damage- flux nade shoot the chest 3x - back em into a corner nades shoot the wall same as Md Rof change -shoot switch to other faylock shoot again run behind corner reload both
The weapons here an if people could aim good with a shotty that would be the problem, it's never gonna end with splash damage weapons cuz their unpridictable an anyone can use them so evyone will same as AR . Don't see everybody getting 25 kill s with knives because it's hard, there for people don't complain but if you got knifed 100 times a day everyone would scream op cuz that's how everyone is, if it's popular it's op
Flaylock pistols need huge nerfs! |
Xero The Mishima
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Posted - 2013.07.10 17:41:00 -
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low genius wrote:i hope so. they've got to drop the splash damage. it's tougher than a prototype massdriver.
bare minimum make sure the person using an explosion radius weapon is going to take damage from it. how many *****-lock pistols have you seen firing straight down at the ground in front of you? how many have you seen 50 feet overhead using a pistol as a crowd control device?
make people use the pistol like a pistol, or make people kill themselves with the splash.
I am against Sidearms being able to be better than Primaries. |
Xero The Mishima
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Posted - 2013.07.10 18:04:00 -
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CLONE117 wrote:just make it a primary weapon so players cant carry 2 into battle.
and reduce its rof..
Point is it needs tweaking. |
Xero The Mishima
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Posted - 2013.07.11 05:21:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:KA24DERT wrote:The TTK on this thing is way too low. It could use a nerf on its rate of fire. I'm hesitant to ask for more nerfs than that as the weapon does take some skill to use. It's either gonna be inanely useless or a unnoticeable change either way nobody will be happy with the results I mean it's a friggen rocket launcher what do people expect to happen there basically asking for a different weapon
No pistol should be a damn grenade launcher if we gotta putup with such a joke of a weapon break the hell out of it. |
Xero The Mishima
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Posted - 2013.07.12 23:35:00 -
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Stile451 wrote:Complain on the forums until it gets balanced?
Thas what Imma do! |
Xero The Mishima
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Posted - 2013.07.13 10:04:00 -
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Bulldozza Smash wrote:Revelations 514 wrote:Honestly,
AR, (autos), need more bullet disparity or recoil or both.
Core Flaylocks definitely need splash dmg nerf and RoF decrease.
Lets all be honest with ourselves here. I do know it's not just some people are really, really good and just happen to use Core Flaylocks and Duvolle's, and no one that is really good uses anything else. Helluva coincidence don't ya think?
Show me anyone, regardless of map, who consistently tops Duvolle or Flaylock users with any other weapon of choice. (And don't come with "well one time this sniper", because that isn't consistent). Snipers are fine honestly, they earn their kills. Scrambler Rifles are a pain, but it's harder to hit with due to not being able to just spray and therefore they are beatable.
Id say do the above, address the LAV, and yellow logi, address red line exploiters and we will have a pretty good balance to start with and make finer tweaks from that point out. Agreed the ARs have become way to easy to use atleast in the last build you had to tap the trigger now you just hold... i loved the hold release hold when firing with the old ARs firstly it took disipline to use which meant less deaths for me due to scrubs sprayed like mad and secondly was more of a challange. As for the flaylocks, CCP has been doing a great job of balancing everything until this flaylock came out its like the all answer weapon which it shouldn't be if anything the AR should be the all answer weapon due to its well rounded. hope CCP seriously reconciders the flaylocks stats. The LAVs need to be looked at, i think the answer to most of the LAV problems can be solved with more flux weapons eg flux AVs or flux swarms... oh if they would hurry up with those flux proxys would be nice.
CCP where is the response?!?!?! These Flaylocks are gonna kill the game if they aren't fixed soon. We did matches last night with Hellstorm and all of them for the most part had dual flaylocks. Only less than a handful don't use them.
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Xero The Mishima
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Posted - 2013.07.13 11:03:00 -
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Core Flaylocks are getting way out of hand CCP you need to get on it guys. |
Xero The Mishima
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Posted - 2013.07.13 11:17:00 -
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Sent in another ticket to get CCP's attention. This needs to be fixed NOW this game won't last 2-3 months with the way this gun is getting out there. |
Xero The Mishima
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Posted - 2013.07.13 11:52:00 -
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RuckingFetard wrote:Bulldozza Smash wrote:Revelations 514 wrote:Honestly,
AR, (autos), need more bullet disparity or recoil or both.
Core Flaylocks definitely need splash dmg nerf and RoF decrease.
Lets all be honest with ourselves here. I do know it's not just some people are really, really good and just happen to use Core Flaylocks and Duvolle's, and no one that is really good uses anything else. Helluva coincidence don't ya think?
Show me anyone, regardless of map, who consistently tops Duvolle or Flaylock users with any other weapon of choice. (And don't come with "well one time this sniper", because that isn't consistent). Snipers are fine honestly, they earn their kills. Scrambler Rifles are a pain, but it's harder to hit with due to not being able to just spray and therefore they are beatable.
Id say do the above, address the LAV, and yellow logi, address red line exploiters and we will have a pretty good balance to start with and make finer tweaks from that point out. Agreed the ARs have become way to easy to use atleast in the last build you had to tap the trigger now you just hold... i loved the hold release hold when firing with the old ARs firstly it took disipline to use which meant less deaths for me due to scrubs sprayed like mad and secondly was more of a challange. As for the flaylocks, CCP has been doing a great job of balancing everything until this flaylock came out its like the all answer weapon which it shouldn't be if anything the AR should be the all answer weapon due to its well rounded. hope CCP seriously reconciders the flaylocks stats. The LAVs need to be looked at, i think the answer to most of the LAV problems can be solved with more flux weapons eg flux AVs or flux swarms... oh if they would hurry up with those flux proxys would be nice. 'AR should be the all answer weapon' Just. No
We can worry about other guns AFTER the primary one gets broken Flaylock is abigger problem than anything. |
Xero The Mishima
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Posted - 2013.07.13 17:05:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:There only op when ur not looking at the guy blasting you into the sky because of the unawareness people are crying, but if a guys shooting three shots an ur jumping with a a smg you ll kill him no problem
CCP you have to fix this gun. If not this game will die. All you have keeping this game alive is the vets playing it. We will get burnt out losing ISK and districts to no talent players using crutches. You guys fix one crutch but it takes you so long they can jump onto the other knowing they have a good 2 months of using the new crutch. |
Xero The Mishima
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Posted - 2013.07.14 03:46:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:The point of a sidearm is to give you a backup weapon in case your primary goes down for whatever reason (jam, empty magazine, etc.) The flaylock is a sidearm being used in lieu of a primary, which to me is pretty telling. The flaylock should be a "I need to quickly escape and reload my primary/retreat/whatever," or "I almost got him, just a little more to finish him off," not "I'm going to attack using this exclusively and rely on splash damage to get kills."
To this end, I recommend cutting down the ammo per magazine on it. The splash can stay ridiculous as it is, the main problem seems to be that you can shoot 4-5 times (assuming you have minmatar assault suit skill up) in rapid succession, which honestly does garauntee kills in most cases. If it was perhaps one shot per reload, that would make it more of a backup, either to cover your retreat or finish off your enemy since pulling a sidearm is faster than reloading. Perhaps with minmatar assault skill at 5, you can have two (maybe, MAYBE 3) shots before needing to reload, so people speccing into minmatar can have it close to what it is today, but with more of a skill investment.
The fact that a pistol has more splash damage than a rocket launcher designed for vehicles at the same meta level (meta 1 flaylock pistol has 195 splash dmg, ST-1 missile launcher has 175) is pretty ridiculous, but if thats what ccp intended (hopefully it wasn't) then you shouldn't get better performance than a VEHICLE TURRET all around. Hit the ammo capacity, the splash radius, or the splash damage itself. I wouldn't say all of them together, but at least one of them, imo the ammo per magazine to 1, max ammo 5 (including round in chamber).
Nope this gun needs to be broken. No other way. |
Xero The Mishima
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Posted - 2013.07.14 06:10:00 -
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This gun is gonna ruin the success of this game. |
Xero The Mishima
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Posted - 2013.07.14 20:44:00 -
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Flaylock needs to be busted into small pieces. |
Xero The Mishima
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Posted - 2013.07.14 22:17:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:XV1 wrote:You are wrong, I counted weaponry 5, sidearm operation 5 and all flaylock pistol skills to five at well under 6 mil. That calculation was for the weapon an all skills for the weapon, nice try add again
Ya you can't nerf the flaylock! I spent 17M SP on it!!! Weaponry 5 side arm 5 Flaylock5 core upgrades 5 shields 5 armor5 + more!!! |
Xero The Mishima
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Posted - 2013.07.15 05:26:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:OZAROW wrote:Ps I been playing for 6 months without th weapons I just got an ya faylocks a problem that's why I spec into other things , name of the game cry baby, u don't scream nerf cuz you don't have the sp you make it an fix the problem YOURSELF! At least I didn't shoot you with a Flaylock. Lol rather that then your obliterating forge gun from a spot on the map that nobody can get to without a drop ship that you'll just blast out of the sky before it gets there lol
Not my fault you depend on a crutch to get kills. If you were any good you would be in a real LoI corp. |
Xero The Mishima
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Posted - 2013.07.15 20:50:00 -
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FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:OZAROW wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Buster Friently wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Are you guys aware of how godlike it is? Is there plans to nerf it down a little bit? It's getting to the point where people are just running around using nothing else specially in the Planetary Conquest that was suppose to bring Longevity to the game. Nobody will want to go up against full teams of guys using Rapid fire grenade launchers that are more than capable of killing with splash damage. The gun is fine. Clearly you don't play this game. Go into some PC matches and its probably somewhere between 40-80% of all kills in a match. Some corps are just speccing completely into flaylocks and running dual core godlock pistols. It's need it's RoF halved and its splash radius normalized between variants. 1. It shoots missiles not baby grenades 2. It's useless till level 5 = almost 7mill sp 3. It has a three shot clip 4. It's the proficiency damage, rapid reload, an clip increase that makes it scary an foyr that much sp it should! 5. Instead of whinning about it or getting killed by it, follow suit an get one. As a scout it's about the only usefull range scary weapon I can use to back up my my knives so please don't go scream nerf hammer when almost every weapon I spec into gets beat because people spec it powerful an it kills you, play smarter, evade, switch weapons , hell get one, just don't ruin mine! Shotty already got slapped from people like you so just play wiser don't cry! I second this, seriously. 3 shots per clip, useless til at least level 4. It has a 1.5 splash radius which isn't much. And it's only good close range. So stfu and stop crying about flays, I even heard that the lav impact dmg is op lol like seriously? Do you get ran over by a car and live at full or mid speed? HELLO. It isn't op and doesn't need a nerf. The shotgun already got fked sometimes it shoots blanks. The mass driver got screwed and is slowly is getting better. So crying and learn some freaking tactics, don't stand still and shoot. Don't forget about your grenades. Don't move in predictable patterns. Don't get owned by a flaylock. Seriously if they nerf the flay they better give me a respect. I spent $200 and something dollars to support this game and bought mercenary, vetren and elite pack. If they did screw the flay I will just quit and spend money else where. The game is fine as is besides the random lag. People who qq about nerf need to get good. I can own a flaylocker with a military smg and jumping around with a freaking dragonfly scout suit . The time it takes for them to reload I use a flux and spray them , oh did you know the flay lock also hurts the player when noob team members run right in front. A third of my deaths are maybe that. A flay locker has to be exposed to use it because he can't the chance of suicide. Get good and stop crying.
They already said they are fixing flaylock and you aren't getting no damn respec you stupid scrub. |
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Xero The Mishima
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Posted - 2013.07.16 06:12:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:Xero The Mishima wrote:OZAROW wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:OZAROW wrote:Ps I been playing for 6 months without th weapons I just got an ya faylocks a problem that's why I spec into other things , name of the game cry baby, u don't scream nerf cuz you don't have the sp you make it an fix the problem YOURSELF! At least I didn't shoot you with a Flaylock. Lol rather that then your obliterating forge gun from a spot on the map that nobody can get to without a drop ship that you'll just blast out of the sky before it gets there lol Not my fault you depend on a crutch to get kills. If you were any good you would be in a real LoI corp. Lmfao aren't u in the starter corp?
I'm in the corp that's crushing your alliance |
Xero The Mishima
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Posted - 2013.07.16 07:08:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:Xero The Mishima wrote:I'm in the corp that's crushing your alliance Then stop hiding behind an alt. and post using your main. Its just good manners.
I can't or I would. Pretty sure the name should clearly give away the main. If not you are nobody. |
Xero The Mishima
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Posted - 2013.07.16 21:21:00 -
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Stay on topic. |
Xero The Mishima
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Posted - 2013.07.17 20:24:00 -
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Mission successful! Flaylock beaten! |
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