Clearly you don't play this game.

Go into some PC matches and its probably somewhere between 40-80% of all kills in a match.

Some corps are just speccing completely into flaylocks and running dual core godlock pistols.

It's need it's RoF halved and its splash radius normalized between variants.

Why Not Use an AR/ ScR with your Knives?

I Don't play Scout, so I don't know the Amount of fitting Resources.

I wouldn't think that Knives would take That much Fitting, since they are a Sidearm.

7mil SP? What are you smoking sir and where can I get some? nothing, NOTHING takes 7mil SP to get into. The Core is OP nothing else, no I don't use AR's, no i don't run miltia I have a heavy and an assualt on 2 alts. Core wins everytime, coincidence? I think not.

I don't see it as abuse. That's what it does. The problem is how much persistant fire this thing can lay down with 2 of them equipped and it's fast reload time. Adjust those factors before you try to justify having a miniature rocket launcher that fires explosives that somehow only have a basketball size explosion. Or a weapon that has the concussion force of an airhorn. I just don't like games that have really awesome weapons, that make no sense in action.

I did some experiments last night and found the actual rate of fire(or at least close to it) at 105 RPM(for comparison using the same methodology used below the mass driver is 58 RPM - which is less than 4% off of what the documentation says which is 60 RPM).

Coincidentally the mass driver and the flaylock both take the same amount of time to fire all of their ammo(27s including reloads which makes this next part a better comparison). Damage for the entire amount is similar for direct damage at the prototype level but far off for splash damage. 266.2 direct and 127.6 splash on Freedom Mass driver, 239.8 direct and 214.5 splash on the Core Flaylock.

That is 4791.6 potential direct damage(266.2*18 shots) and 2296.8 splash damage for the Freedom Mass Driver(47.9% splash compared to direct damage).

That is 5035.8 potential direct damage(239.8*21 shots) and 4504.5 splash damage for the Core Flaylock Pistol(89.45% splash compared to direct damage).

Direct damage is fine(it takes some skill to get direct hits) but the splash damage is severely disproportionate to other weapons with splash damage.


TL;DR

For proper weapon balancing direct damage should remain the same but the splash damage should be reduced by half. The splash radius is fine on the Core Flaylock but it does need to be adjusted on the standard and advanced models(I would suggest increasing them to 1.75m and 1.85m).


RPM Methodology
Methodology: take fully stocked standard flaylock, create macro on mouse to trigger m1 every 60ms, hold fire until rounds finished, time with stopwatch.

Average time to finish rounds is 27s(makes it easier - actual times were 27.78, 27.56 ,26.83, 26.95, 26.70 ,26.92 - actual average of 27.1s or 27.061s removing the upper and lower outliers).

21 rounds
2.5s reload
3 rounds per clip
21 / 3 = 7 clips
7 - 1 = 6 reloads(no reload after last clip)
6 * 2.5 = 15s reload time

27 - 15 = 12s to fire all 21 rounds

21 / 12 = 1.75 rounds per second
1.75 * 60s = 105 RPM
END RPM Methodology





Flaylock Pistol Operation - 621,920 - required - spec into
Flaylock Pistol Proficiency - 1,554,920 - very useful - spec into
Flaylock Pistol Rapid Reload - 1,865,920 - mildly useful(2.5s reload down to 1.88s reload) - do not spec as you can kill most suits in 1 clip)
Flaylock Pistol Fitting Optimization - 1,865,920 - nearly worthless - do not spec unless you need a single PG on the core flaylock(no effect on other variants)
Flaylock Pistol Ammo Capacity - 932,920 - mildly useful - an extra 5 shots - do not spec, advanced nanohives are a better investment than this skill

While you are technically correct you are realistically wrong. Just over 2 million to fully utilize this weapon, just under another 5 for nearly useless bonuses(they are placeholder bonuses and may eventually become useful but as it is nobody will have fully specced into flaylock pistols).

1. It shoots missiles not baby grenades
2. It's useless till level 5 = almost 7mill sp
3. It has a three shot clip
4. It's the proficiency damage, rapid reload, an clip increase that makes it scary an for that much sp it should!
5. Instead of whinning about it or getting killed by it, follow suit an get one.
As a scout it's about the only usefull range scary weapon I can use to back up my my knives so please don't go scream nerf hammer when almost every weapon I spec into gets beat because people spec it powerful an it kills you, play smarter, evade, switch weapons , hell get one, just don't ruin mine! Shotty already got slapped from people like you so just play wiser don't cry!

I think he proved himself pretty smart and shot your BS argument full of holes. Saying the gun isn't out of balance because it takes a lot of SP is not a valid argument. If everyone knows it's a waste of time why did you try to use it in your argument to begin with? He did his homework and demonstrated how the flaylock does not require accuracy to very quickly dish out crazy damage.

The TTK on this thing is way too low. It could use a nerf on its rate of fire. I'm hesitant to ask for more nerfs than that as the weapon does take some skill to use.

No pistol should be a damn grenade launcher if we gotta putup with such a joke of a weapon break the hell out of it.

CCP you have to fix this gun. If not this game will die. All you have keeping this game alive is the vets playing it. We will get burnt out losing ISK and districts to no talent players using crutches. You guys fix one crutch but it takes you so long they can jump onto the other knowing they have a good 2 months of using the new crutch.

You are wrong, I counted weaponry 5, sidearm operation 5 and all flaylock pistol skills to five at well under 6 mil.

Ya you can't nerf the flaylock! I spent 17M SP on it!!! Weaponry 5 side arm 5 Flaylock5 core upgrades 5 shields 5 armor5 + more!!!

I never had a problem with the power of the TAC....my problem was with the modded controller being used and turning it into a full auto. Bottom line is this, no matter what the weapon, people are gonna exploit anything they can to win. It was the HMG, then the laser rifle, then the TAC and MD,,,,,now its the Flaylock.....See the pattern here. I just don't see CCP nerfing every new weapon that comes out. As I said, I would be more worried about balancing.

At least I didn't shoot you with a Flaylock.

Last match I shot you in I was on the low roof of the small building next to "C" on the Ashland map. That you got up there, past a pack of my team mates, to return the favor with a nova was awesome and proves it wasn't inaccessible. Still got to blast a drop ship too. Besides, I end up doing more ground side forging than tower forging.

I second this, seriously. 3 shots per clip, useless til at least level 4. It has a 1.5 splash radius which isn't much. And it's only good close range. So stfu and stop crying about flays, I even heard that the lav impact dmg is op lol like seriously? Do you get ran over by a car and live at full or mid speed? HELLO. It isn't op and doesn't need a nerf. The shotgun already got fked sometimes it shoots blanks. The mass driver got screwed and is slowly is getting better. So crying and learn some freaking tactics, don't stand still and shoot. Don't forget about your grenades. Don't move in predictable patterns. Don't get owned by a flaylock.

Seriously if they nerf the flay they better give me a respect. I spent $200 and something dollars to support this game and bought mercenary, vetren and elite pack. If they did screw the flay I will just quit and spend money else where. The game is fine as is besides the random lag. People who qq about nerf need to get good. I can own a flaylocker with a military smg and jumping around with a freaking dragonfly scout suit . The time it takes for them to reload I use a flux and spray them , oh did you know the flay lock also hurts the player when noob team members run right in front. A third of my deaths are maybe that. A flay locker has to be exposed to use it because he can't the chance of suicide. Get good and stop crying.

Ha I have been in my proto suit with over 500 shield and 200+ armor, and I have been litterally single shot killed by them on occasion.

Usually you just hear BLAM BLAM BLAM (In less than a second) and your dead. (If not before that even , as absurd as it sounds) I have corp mates that have been single shot in heavy suits! Obviously something is wrong.

To clarify -

I DONT want the weapon nerfed into oblivion, however I think rate of fire adjustments might be the way to go.

Not my fault you depend on a crutch to get kills. If you were any good you would be in a real LoI corp.