Agreed the ARs have become way to easy to use atleast in the last build you had to tap the trigger now you just hold... i loved the hold release hold when firing with the old ARs firstly it took disipline to use which meant less deaths for me due to scrubs sprayed like mad and secondly was more of a challange.

As for the flaylocks, CCP has been doing a great job of balancing everything until this flaylock came out its like the all answer weapon which it shouldn't be if anything the AR should be the all answer weapon due to its well rounded. hope CCP seriously reconciders the flaylocks stats.

The LAVs need to be looked at, i think the answer to most of the LAV problems can be solved with more flux weapons eg flux AVs or flux swarms... oh if they would hurry up with those flux proxys would be nice.

'AR should be the all answer weapon'
Just. No

Put up some vids to back up your claims.

Otherwise, my text is as valid as yours.

Flaylock, including Core, is fine.


For the record, doing what you suggest would eliminate the weapon from the game. Kinda like Lasers now, and to a slightly lesser degree MDs. Let me guess, you only use the AR right?

Keep the splash as that is literally what separates it form the other pistols, otherwise it just becomes another pistol, but have the range cut down to 20 and have a long load time for the weapon, since we are indeed loading self propelled micro missile ammunition here. If need be cut the direct damage down by 30% and raise splash damage by a smaller amount, making it the crowd control weapon it is. The aspect of a larger radius that can hurt the player easier will give it a minimum and maximum range.

The way I see it, a three shot volley should be able to destroy all your armor if you get flanked by it. So a heavy with his shields blown should be able to be killed within that quick 3 shot volley (again when his shields are blown). This thing should suck against shields entirely but able to utilize splash to keep out of direct sight until shields are gone, thus utilizing splash as more of a skill mechanic rather than a lazy mechanic.

I'm sure I'm going to get flack for this, and I also want to remind people that sidearms should not equal suckage. But it should have a niche killing role, and in this case ***close range unshielded opponets***. That is the role that I see for this weapon, if you lack shields this thing should drop you in seconds if you are within 20 of your opponent

There only op when ur not looking at the guy blasting you into the sky because of the unawareness people are crying, but if a guys shooting three shots an ur jumping with a a smg you ll kill him no problem

So you are proposing to increase the splash damage, which is the only thing wrong with the weapon right now(except perhaps the rate of fire).

They flaylock is not a crowd control weapon - a crowd control weapon leaves people time to disperse and is not meant to quiclky kill.

Most people use the flaylock within 20m anyway, changing reload time won't make a difference, direct damage is in line with other sidearms but splash damage is not(you can tell when the enemy is shooting at the ground, they almost always are).

We can worry about balancing later... they need to emergency patch this thing into the ground until they can figure out real balance for it.

CCP you have to fix this gun. If not this game will die. All you have keeping this game alive is the vets playing it. We will get burnt out losing ISK and districts to no talent players using crutches. You guys fix one crutch but it takes you so long they can jump onto the other knowing they have a good 2 months of using the new crutch.

7,463,520 do the math before you make yourself look stupid https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AmaDmQ0quOz3dEFPWktkUWdZcVpMWnRZSDRkZDFzUkE&pli=1&pli=1&pli=1&pli=1
That's the skill chart tell me I'm wrong!

The point of a sidearm is to give you a backup weapon in case your primary goes down for whatever reason (jam, empty magazine, etc.) The flaylock is a sidearm being used in lieu of a primary, which to me is pretty telling. The flaylock should be a "I need to quickly escape and reload my primary/retreat/whatever," or "I almost got him, just a little more to finish him off," not "I'm going to attack using this exclusively and rely on splash damage to get kills."

To this end, I recommend cutting down the ammo per magazine on it. The splash can stay ridiculous as it is, the main problem seems to be that you can shoot 4-5 times (assuming you have minmatar assault suit skill up) in rapid succession, which honestly does garauntee kills in most cases. If it was perhaps one shot per reload, that would make it more of a backup, either to cover your retreat or finish off your enemy since pulling a sidearm is faster than reloading. Perhaps with minmatar assault skill at 5, you can have two (maybe, MAYBE 3) shots before needing to reload, so people speccing into minmatar can have it close to what it is today, but with more of a skill investment.

The fact that a pistol has more splash damage than a rocket launcher designed for vehicles at the same meta level (meta 1 flaylock pistol has 195 splash dmg, ST-1 missile launcher has 175) is pretty ridiculous, but if thats what ccp intended (hopefully it wasn't) then you shouldn't get better performance than a VEHICLE TURRET all around. Hit the ammo capacity, the splash radius, or the splash damage itself. I wouldn't say all of them together, but at least one of them, imo the ammo per magazine to 1, max ammo 5 (including round in chamber).

I said to reduce direct damage by 30% to make it below the other firearms and then have a higher splash damage. If you guys essentially neuter the splash to essentially make direct hits the only viable shot, then this pistol is no different than any other of the pistols (now and future) and we might as well not have it in the game if its going to function like an ordinary pistol.

Did they put in an emergency patch for the TAC or the Cal Logi?

Endure it until they address it (which I think will be soon) or dont play.

Neither the cal logi, nor the tac, were so bad that multiple corporations have had to make an agreement to ban their use from PC matches.

Please shut up with this nonsense.

The TAC was getting just as much QQ if not more and was killing just as fast and from range.

TAC was not nerfed hard (as the poster above wants with FP), it was brought in line correctly which will happen with this.

And in Dust, sidearms can be a main weapon so that argument is irrelevant.

Stop crying like babies and wait for CCP to deal with it.

The Tactical was nerfed into oblivion, completely ruining the whole reason I used it in the first place; it wasn't a semi automatic fast as you can fire the trigger weapon. Now they're going to nerf the Flaylock into oblivion because you whiny forum idiots are on the Nerf It Bandwagon, STOP POSTING ALL OF YOU, YOU ARE THE PEOPLE KILLING THIS GAME.

Good day.

You are wrong, I counted weaponry 5, sidearm operation 5 and all flaylock pistol skills to five at well under 6 mil.

That calculation was for the weapon an all skills for the weapon, nice try add again