I rarely see guys who consider themselves maining in AV saying that vehicles need nerfed. It's mostly infantrymen complaining about vehicles that have only spec'd into grenades. I believe proximity explosives are really the only under performing antivehicle weapon at the moment.

I'd say most of us AV guys are happy with our tech currently. Well, most of the ones I see anyway.

Honestly I can't wait for the day for vehicle users to get something that will be extremely menacing but not overpowered. I'd love to run with a whole squad of fellow AVers fighting our own little battle against a machine.

Plasma cannons

Although I've discovered by watching a video that they have 110% efficiency against vehicles

I'm unsure as to where the imbalance from remote explosives comes from.

I run caldari and my LLAV will run over 6 proximity mines, no problem.

However, when I was in my rail tank with 5k shields 15, 15, 10% resists I believe it was either two or three remote explosives dropped by some tricky chuckefudge nearly instagibbed my tank.

Is there a vast difference between proximity mines and remote explosives?

EDIT: To clarify, I believe my LLAV is too strong when it comes to proximity mines but the other extreme feels a bit much aswell.

Not him, but driver. I love playing closely with other people and I would be far more satisfied with giving my brothers in the guns the best possible ride and lots of opportunities to put 'em to work than racking up a positive K/D myself. Being able to fully focus on reading the battlefield while they can fixate on aiming and observing would also raise the potential effectiveness of the vehicle.

Mutual reliance relationships also foster some of the best moments in gaming, they really do. There are hiccups and randoms become a shaky bet to entrust yourself to but that's just a matter of finding yourself some people to buddy up with, acquire some regulars.

Separation of duties also leads to a better tank all round when you really mesh with your crew. On top of all aspects of the vehicle seeing more focused attention there's also a morale side to it: as the driver you don't want to let your gunners down, as a gunner you're trying extra hard to not disappoint your driver.

if you like giving rides then go for LAVs, that what there for, and I disagree when im driving my tank, I don't care about the gunners, I wish I could eject them or replace the 2 turrets with an anti-swarm turret. I am a jerk when it comes to people getting in my ride but that's only because of every random blue dot trying to get into my tank hoping for a free joy ride to god mode, but that's not going to happen.

and because of that, do you know what people are doing? dropship pilots HATE that they cant kill with their own pilot gun and LAV drivers are running people over TO GET KILLS AND KILL POINTS, the HAV is the only vehicle that has the design right imo.





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I disagree with the notion that 1 tank is equal to 3 blueberries.

He has the killing potential of 3 blueberries, maybe. But he lacks the vision, hacking capabilities, spawning capabilities, etc of a dropsuit.

There is a reason that tanks see little to no PC time. It's because they can't fulfill the roles that infantry can. The pressure that dropsuits can put on a point via dropuplinks and respawning is insane. A tank can't put that same pressure when they need to retreat or lose all the time of dropping another tank.

and that lighter cousin will be the majority of tanks being used and this separated one will be like the enforcers, not used because its worthless.

Right. It doesn't exist or have any indicator of it's stats other than 'buffed significantly' and it's categorically 'worthless'. This clearly isn't about looking at it from a gameplay perspective but one of personal preference, the outright dismissal isn't for a valid enough reason. Well, unless it's some notion about the simultaneous existence of team tanks and solo tanks phasing out your preferred role, the latter. Ideally it shouldn't. Solo will be more popular for pubs while team tanks will be of greater value in PC, that it's not balanced around 1 person using it means it can be buffed up into the mighty engine of destruction that a tank is meant to be.

Frankly it's initial popularity doesn't matter. That it has the capacity to play the role of a heavier tank is what matters, a HAV to be reckoned with at the cost of more people behind it. Won't be popular at first, no, necessitated teamwork never is when there's an alternative. There is some calling for it though, both in playstyle preference and the solution it provides to one of the problems of heavily empowering a vehicle.

Consider it as it's own thing, in a holistic light please. Ya ain't gonna be strapped down and forced to drive it if you don't want to.

For the purpose of that consideration just pretend we have a game mode that's actually good, where HAVs have sway in aiding the push against a focused defence or in holding it, stopping any such advances. I say this because what we currently have is pretty bad all 'round and what vehicles can potentially do doesn't matter much in them. It's a very poor template for gauging vehicular capabilities since it doesn't call for most of them.

the drive of this game isn't to use teamwork, its to develop your own merc and your own skills and fill up your own wallet, something many of you have forgotten

Can someone fill me in to why people thing armor HAVs are way better than shield HAVs?

The way I see it, when used correctly (armor tanks with blasters at short range, shield tanks at long range) shield tanks are more effective. Armor tanks get hit by lots of explosive AV in close quarters, while shield tanks can just see the AV coming, duck behind corners and have their shields regen (much more quickly than shields on armor tanks)

I've had more luck with a shield HAV (everything militia except for a STD missile turret) than an armor HAV (mostly STD mods mixed with militia, and a standard blaster)

But teamwork should be well rewarded- that's why I think small turrets need an all-around buff

AV is already much better when using teamwork, because they can cut off a vehicle's escape

void i drive llavs and i heal tanks, i carry a forge gun with me.

if it were to get implemented, tanks would completely disappear, but if it were an option, I guarantee you that nobody would use that option. why do you think that nobody uses the enforcers, because they are worthless expensive militia tanks.

that would make everything worse, the front turret is basically a blind piece of metal

Think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I think they'd have a very viable place in the scheme of things. So long as they do their popularity isn't of prime importance.

Why do you keep bringing up Enforcers, anyway? The problems with that tank have no relevance to what we're discussing that I can see.

not getting the feed back you hoped for? tankers should have a chaff module. keep off swarms for 10 seconds. also it would be sweet for AV to damage tracks and weapons on a tank.

teamwork is fine and all but its not the point of this game, if you listen to it says your a merc fighting for yourself and your own views or for your wallet, your not fighting for your team unless you decide to. don't try to force teamwork onto the true mercs here.