... Doesn't this thread already exist?

I rarely see guys who consider themselves maining in AV saying that vehicles need nerfed. It's mostly infantrymen complaining about vehicles that have only spec'd into grenades. I believe proximity explosives are really the only under performing antivehicle weapon at the moment.

I'd say most of us AV guys are happy with our tech currently. Well, most of the ones I see anyway.

Honestly I can't wait for the day for vehicle users to get something that will be extremely menacing but not overpowered. I'd love to run with a whole squad of fellow AVers fighting our own little battle against a machine.

I rarely see guys who consider themselves maining in AV that vehicles need nerfed. It's mostly infantrymen complaining about vehicles that have only spec'd into grenades. I believe proximity explosives are really the only under performing antivehicle weapon at the moment.

I'd say most of us AV guys are happy with our tech currently. Well, most of the ones I see anyway.

I've spent plenty of times doing both AV and driving all 3 vehicle types.

Right now, HAVs seem to be the main issue people are arguing about. Drivers say that it should take several AVers to down one, while AVers also argue that 1 person should able to be beaten by 1 person.

I personally think that the driver's seat of the HAV needs to be separate from the main turret, and they should get a buff to eHP. That way, HAVs and AVers will both need teamwork.

This is the way that makes most sense to me. I'm an AV guy but I want HAVs to be tough, to be a real presence on the field, it's just that having 1 person be the equivalent of 3 or 4 because he's in a tank presents problems. The most obvious solution as McBob says is to make a HAV require 3 operators to be at 100% effectiveness. Driver who controls movement and active modules, a primary gunner and a secondary gunner. Requires manpower and teamwork to take down, requires manpower and teamwork to operate.

This is the way that makes most sense to me. I'm an AV guy but I want HAVs to be tough, to be a real presence on the field, it's just that having 1 person be the equivalent of 3 or 4 because he's in a tank presents problems. The most obvious solution as McBob says is to make a HAV require 3 operators to be at 100% effectiveness. Driver who controls movement and active modules, a primary gunner and a secondary gunner. Requires manpower and teamwork to take down, requires manpower and teamwork to operate.

You do need three people to work all the turrets. Also, tanks don't have the ease of situational awareness as infantry. You don't get sigs popping up as easily. A scanner can help at close range but you have to turn that turret to scan for any big threats and sometimes I've had no sigs and another tank roll right up in front of me from the direction I was looking the whole way across the field to where I met up with him.

You can one shot an infantry with a rail and take down a guy quick with a blaster but you can't get several that fast. Infantry can gang on you. A lot of infantry survive my being close to them even with small turret gunners.

Nobody bringing a counter attack fits in with how a battle would go if one side has a tank and the other has nothing to fight it with.

You might as well complain about the lack of people dropping uplinks. A disorganized group of blueberries in a pub match most likely won't bring a counter attack.

When they do then I have to book it. A lot of times you can't tell what exactly is hitting you and from what direction.

Tanks are largely blind. You don't have time to turn that turret and scan. If so you might not get a sig.

Many matches are won by the enemy when in my tank because I can't go around capping AND keep my tank. There are still plenty of strawberries on the field to win even after I shoot some.

if you were to separate the driver seat from the main cannon, there wouldn't be any reason to spec into driving the thing at all, you don't get any rewards from the driver seat if you don't get to use the cannon to kill thus making the driver part of the tank pretty much hated. and on the subject of why, why should a single dropsuit match a 20-40 ton vehicle?

these are serious questions of mine

if you were to separate the driver seat from the main cannon, there wouldn't be any reason to spec into driving the thing at all, you don't get any rewards from the driver seat if you don't get to use the cannon to kill thus making the driver part of the tank pretty much hated. and on the subject of why, why should a single dropsuit match a 20-40 ton vehicle?

these are serious questions of mine

Because you can only have so many players on the battlefield at once. When you start seperating the anti-infantry in order to do anti-vehicle, infantry warfare can get easily get lopsided in favor of the team with the tank.

In essence, tankers want their tank to do as much damage and take as much damage as a full squadron of protos. All manned by only 1 guy with a fat wallet. With this logic, why be infantry at all? It'll be Tank 514.

We have to deal with the same thing in all the other vehicles. While dropship pilots are waiting for fighters, we can wait for mtacs or whatever they're called

What I like to do in a group with dropships or LAVs, is more or less rotate who calls it in, and who does what.

Well I am all for AV, people pull out tanks and I have fun destroying them.

I do believe the AV weapons are right where they should be however, there should be more tanks available.

Gunlogis & Madrugars belong in an advanced class. CCP needs to come up with some sort of a proto tank with 2 or 3 additional high and low slots, and maybe 2000-3000 more HP.

I've spent plenty of times doing both AV and driving all 3 vehicle types.

Right now, HAVs seem to be the main issue people are arguing about. Drivers say that it should take several AVers to down one, while AVers also argue that 1 person should able to be beaten by 1 person.

I personally think that the driver's seat of the HAV needs to be separate from the main turret, and they should get a buff to eHP. That way, HAVs and AVers will both need teamwork.

As a anti social lone wolf, that would mean my speccing into tanks would be worthless, as i would either have to let some random drive my tank and no doubt loose it, or drive him around while he racks up the kills, which doesnt sound like much fun

Given that the game already rewards tankers to work as team with 3 men in it (look outs, gunners), im already at a disadvantage by not squading with capable people, which is my choice, as it should be, the game does and should reward teamplay, but not force it down our throats

"just for the record, although i play on my own, i do drive around with the team and protect (try) while they cap objectives etc"

I disagree with the notion that 1 tank is equal to 3 blueberries.

He has the killing potential of 3 blueberries, maybe. But he lacks the vision, hacking capabilities, spawning capabilities, etc of a dropsuit.

There is a reason that tanks see little to no PC time. It's because they can't fulfill the roles that infantry can. The pressure that dropsuits can put on a point via dropuplinks and respawning is insane. A tank can't put that same pressure when they need to retreat or lose all the time of dropping another tank.

As to the argument of the driver not getting kills, I think there's a simple solution:
If you're the driver, vehicle kill assists should be +50 instead of +35

And as to HAV drivers having no way to get kills with the "seperate turret" system, I think the solution should be similar to assault dropships.
The front small turret on all HAVs should be controlled by the driver

The front small turret on all HAVs should be controlled by the driver

that would make everything worse, the front turret is basically a blind piece of metal

Why whats the difference in me being able to control the main turrent or the frount? and bare in mind now if i can only have the frount turret, to see behind me, i would need to turn the whole tank around lolol

Plasma cannons

Although I've discovered by watching a video that they have 110% efficiency against vehicles