Know you didnt say you wanted an i win button; but idk how long you've been playig; but back in E3/Codex days; the Sagaris & Suryas, they took 3+ people w/ AV to kill them, and even then it was just iffy if you'd get the kill. I understand tankers opinion more from my alt; but at same time, being AV im nervous people want to go back down that road, where 3-4 proto AV wouldn't kill a tank. Yes, i think 2-3 for a proto tank, pending on type and what is being used and setups is fine, but 3+ is to much.

Either way, only CCP can really fix this and it isn't in buffing or nerfing AV or vehicles, its simply ad

New topic of discussion:

Should it take 2 average skill proto AV to kill 1 average skill proto tank? More? Less?

My vote is for 2 because if we say 'average skill', that's still 95% of the tanker population. The true diehard tankers will still take 3 or even 4 if they have good infantry. That seems very fair.

I suppose I wouldn't be popular if I resurfaced the prior discussion on solo tanks versus team tanks. Not popular with current tankers, never did have the core reason behind the idea properly addressed though. At all. I'll let it settle for this thread when it is, regardless of if I like the answer.

For a 2-man tank, separated driver and gunner, 2 AV users to suppress, 4 to burst damage hard enough for a chance of destruction in the act of suppression. 3 on the hunt to have a moderate chance of seek and destroy, 4+ for good chance. Seek and destroy rendered impractical if it's among infantry support.

If it's a solo tank 1 to suppress, 2 to burst damage hard enough for a decent chance of destruction if it doesn't rapidly break their fire. 2 on the hunt to have a very good chance at seek and destroy. Infantry support makes seek and destroy at least a 3 man job but still suffering reduced chances even with additional numbers.

It's not one or the other, either. No reason they can't both exist.

Here's the funny thing about tanks with infantry: infantry make tanks OP; not the other way around. If all my infantry are engaging the enemy AV, then i can go ham. That being said, even if i have no infantry support, one std av should never be able to solo me. ever., but 2 or 3 firing in unison, then yeah, i'd say so.

Infantry and vehicles have a symbiotic relationship- infantry swat AVers, and vehicles send the enemy infantry running for cover

One man using proto avs should not be able to take out a proto tank, and in fact they cannot unless the tanker is real stupid thoughI have never seen this happen. All the proto tanks I have seen have been just that, tanks. This thread is just about people getting mad when they lose big money on tanks.

What proto tanks?

My bad I meant the racial enforcers.

New topic of discussion:

Should it take 2 average skill proto AV to kill 1 average skill proto tank? More? Less?

My vote is for 2 because if we say 'average skill', that's still 95% of the tanker population. The true diehard tankers will still take 3 or even 4 if they have good infantry. That seems very fair.

So here is my question: Should the average tanker (think about the average tanker you see in a game that dies in the first 5 minutes of deploying his tank - 95% of all tanks) require 2 or 3 average av players to kill him with a 90% success rate averaged out over every possible scenario? or more? or less?

Just putting my ideas out there, but I think that if someone puts a mil isk into a vehicle, then it should not go down easy unless the group attacking it has a combined isk cost of ~1mil, that way, you fell as if an investment was lost because the other team invested the same or even more to try and destroy you. a tank on tank battle, for instance, seems fair because they are similar in cost, and it comes to the skill of the player.

comment on what you think, just a roaming dropship lost in the forms

The problem..... proto av vs standard tank. Imbalance.

Balance? PROTO TANK vs PROTO AV issue resolved.

At least untill ccp gives us our proto tanks that are prob going to suck.

Proper proto tank

A LOT more cpu/pg

A LOT more ehp

2 slots one high and one low.

not to mention bonuses to that will have effect on which way the game turns.

A full sqd of GOOD players geared up will have more of an effect than 6 tanks with proto blasters.

what AV level are the people using? as that is a big determinant. Personally, i say if is in regards to proto, then NO. 1 should suffice, b/c by being destroyed teaches the tanker something about knowing his abilities, his surroundings, and makes you a better player. Sometimes you need that one person on the other team to make you think twice about what you want to do

So here is my question: Should the average tanker (think about the average tanker you see in a game that dies in the first 5 minutes of deploying his tank - 95% of all tanks) require 2 or 3 average av players to kill him with a 90% success rate averaged out over every possible scenario? or more? or less?

New topic of discussion:

Should it take 2 average skill proto AV to kill 1 average skill proto tank? More? Less?

My vote is for 2 because if we say 'average skill', that's still 95% of the tanker population. The true diehard tankers will still take 3 or even 4 if they have good infantry. That seems very fair.

New topic of discussion:

Should it take 2 average skill proto AV to kill 1 average skill proto tank? More? Less?

My vote is for 2 because if we say 'average skill', that's still 95% of the tanker population. The true diehard tankers will still take 3 or even 4 if they have good infantry. That seems very fair.

So here is my question: Should the average tanker (think about the average tanker you see in a game that dies in the first 5 minutes of deploying his tank - 95% of all tanks) require 2 or 3 average av players to kill him with a 90% success rate averaged out over every possible scenario? or more? or less?

Wait for proto tanks to come back before flipping out.

If a solo HAV pilot is outnumbered by average (non militia) AVers, then yes, they should destroy them the majority of the time.
However, small turrets need to be more effective so a full tank is actually a much bigger threat than a solo tank.

Another question: should forge guns have a bigger bite than large railguns? I say yes, because heavies are very slow, and more vulnerable than HAVs

the 1st statement is wrong

Nope

yeah it is because its stating that no tank driver is competent and reliable in which case it is wrong.